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45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul

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posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:09 AM
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Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan under consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about shutting down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted, a new IBD/TIPP Poll has found.

The poll contradicts the claims of not only the White House, but also doctors' own lobby — the powerful American Medical Association — both of which suggest the medical profession is behind the proposed overhaul.

It also calls into question whether an overhaul is even doable; 72% of the doctors polled disagree with the administration's claim that the government can cover 47 million more people with better-quality care at lower cost.

www.investors.com...

We keep finding more and more that the Obama administration, and President Obama himself are lying through their teeth.

The Obama administration has claimed that most doctors agree with the healthcare reform, and that it will help more people. But doctors, who know better than the Obama administraiton, are disagreeing with these claims.

Let's hope the Obama healthcare refomr does not pass, because as it has been shown time and again, it won't help anyone.

I do wonder time and again why the Obama supporters of this healthcare continuously want to dismiss the facts, and evidence which is presented to them, and shows them that this healthcare reform not only will be worse than what we currently have, but we, as well as your doctors WON'T HAVE A SAY, and only the government can decide if patients should have treatments, operations, or just continue taking pills, because it is not "ECONOMICALLY VIABLE"

One of the funniest things I ahve noticed is that the Obama fans, and the supporters of the Obama healthcare reform believe to their hearts content that only by allowing this reform to pass will people be "compassionate to others", these Obama fans seem to believe that only through Socialized medicine can all people be helped, and that only Socialized people have any compassion for their fellow Americans...

I just pity such people for their ignorance, this rhetoric has been used before to gather as many ignorant people as possible to the Socialist cause of consolidating power, and make no mistake the Obama healthcare reform is not about helping Americans. It is rather a tool for the Socialist elite to consolidate more power by making people believe that when the government has more power, the people will be helped, but history has shown us that instead dictatorships form when power is consolidated by the State.

Compassion for others it is not bound, and it is not a quality of one ideology, as the Socialists believe. Compassion for others is a quality that comes from each individual, and it is not bound to any one ideology.

In Socialism/Communism individual freedoms are taken away for "the greater good", but as always this "greater good" is only defined by the "Socialist elite" and not by the people, and make no mistake the Obama administration wants Socialism.




posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:13 AM
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How ironic if they quit and end up needing the government to pay for their health care.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:29 AM
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reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


Electric, I enjoy your threads, but in this case you are mistaken. The number that I found was 65%, not 45%.
www.ibdeditorials.com...




Mike



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:45 AM
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Alritey. I haven't read the whole healthcare reform bill.

However I would like for someone to please explain, specifically, not just a because blanket statement. If doctors are saying they will quit. What are their reasons for quitting.

Putting this statement out there to me is just sensationalism without any hard facts or statements to back things up.

And have even any of those doctors looked hard at the bill? I'd almost bet that those percentage of doctors haven't read up on the bill. most doctors don't have time to. I bet a good portion were told that it was going to suck so they toe that line.

FACTS man. I want facts. not hearsay.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:47 AM
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reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 

Very well said indeed, Electric.
This is a slippery slope...and it's not the people who need to be pushed down it.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:49 AM
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They wouldn't have to quit, but instead close their clinics and work for cash only.

Believe me, anything that's in short supply, there's always someone who will pay.

I can see private clinics staffed with private doctors that would be joined by invitation only, and the public drones would be left to the public option.

Which is - no option.

I've already talked to a few about this, and they really liked the idea, and you don't actually have to call a private hospital if it's not identified as a hospital.

It's like a private club where the government has no business intruding, other than seeing that building safety codes are enforced.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:53 AM
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Considering I dont think any of them have read any of the bills that have passed yet we don't really need to worry much. How can they say they will quit over any bill without knowing what will get approved? What if it says that all dr's will get more time off and must maintain the same hours and more pay? Will they still quit.

This is just more spin on the issue. The MSM is doing its best job to try and make it seem like health care reform will be horrible for the US, when has the MSM ever taken the side that actually is good for the public?

If this was true and 45% would quit then what does that say about the people that treat us today? 45% of them don't care at all for public health and money is worth more then a patient to them. Sounds like just the reason to have reform.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 11:56 AM
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This really does not surprise me. In my area we already have a shortage of Doctors and Nurses. Especially when it comes to Specialist. I was wondering if we had the public healthcare and everyone was required to have insurance, How would there be enough Dr's and Nurses to handle the workload??? Then if 45% or 65% quit, where does that leave us?!?!?
In Italy they have public healthcare and unless you know or have a Family member that is a Dr., you usually have to go on a very long waiting list to see a Dr. even for the simplist thing.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:03 PM
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I think what it says about the people in medical professions today is that they went to school for a really REALLY long time with the intent of making lots of money WHILE helping people. I would take a doctors opinion on what procedures/operations/medicines are correct over some Federal Government entity that is more worried about the bottom line and cutting costs. If I were a doctor, I know that I personally would resent a board or panel calling the shots while I was the one with the experience, in there seeing it for myself and getting my hands dirty.

Big government is a bunch of garbage, they are killing our economy and yet a bunch of you want to give them MORE power?!??!! It's just asinine.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:04 PM
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I guess it depends on where you get your reports from eh?


New England Journal of Medicine shows that a majority of physicians (63 percent) support a health reform proposal that includes both a public option and traditional private insurance. If the additional 10 percent of doctors who support an entirely public health system are included, then approximately three out of four physicians nationwide support inclusion of a public option. A minority (27 percent) support a private-only option that would provide subsidies for low-income individuals to purchase private insurance.


www.docuticker.com...

or this one

news.yahoo.com...

But I guess facts do not matter. Deny ignorance indeed.

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posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:05 PM
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According to HR3200, doctors would be placed in a category and be paid the same.

ie; All OB GYN's would be paid the same, all GP's would be paid the same, all heart surgeons would be paid the same.

Regardless of where they live or how long they have been practicing or what their skill set is.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:05 PM
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They might consider it, but they won't. The pay will still be too good...besides, what else are they going to do?



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:08 PM
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Can't say as I blame them. I would quit too. Most of them got into the profession to help others. They busted their arses to an extreme only few are willing. They spent a fortune on education. They do not just dedicate their time for 40 hours a week. It is their life.

For what? The govenmnet to controll their every move? For a government rationed paycheck? Yea they might have wanted to help others but lets face it the $$ if they were good at what they did was quite an incentive. They deserve every dollar they make. The government just needs to stay out of it.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by dooper
They wouldn't have to quit, but instead close their clinics and work for cash only.

Believe me, anything that's in short supply, there's always someone who will pay.

I can see private clinics staffed with private doctors that would be joined by invitation only, and the public drones would be left to the public option.

Which is - no option.

I've already talked to a few about this, and they really liked the idea, and you don't actually have to call a private hospital if it's not identified as a hospital.

It's like a private club where the government has no business intruding, other than seeing that building safety codes are enforced.



I guess they could just ignore the fact that they would be practicing medice outside of how that are supposed to and would lose their licenses along with the ability to get most medical supplies legally. then there is that pesky jail thing that could happen also.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:15 PM
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Good riddance. Purge the system. No need for crooks after the extra bucks.
Let the real doctors -those who care for their patients more than their wallets- do the job.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:21 PM
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What a laughable sentiment.
If anybody deserves to get paid a ton of cash, I would think that it would be doctors for the nature of the work that they do.
Teachers would also be on that list if the criteria were a bit higher, but nobody cares about education in this country anymore so I guess that's a moot point.

Anyhow, we're all entitled to our own opinions, but if this healthcare reform goes down I would be a bit leery of going to see the doc ever again. You sure you want Doctor Shakey being paged to do your colonoscopy?



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 01:12 PM
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Doctors are mad because they would no longer be able to charge the crap out of their patients!

And to the OP, well written post with no actual facts to back it up!



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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reply to post by Bballjamal
 


Who's gonna operate on you when you need if half the MD's in the country suddenly retire? Congress? ROFL!



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 01:20 PM
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So i take it you'd rather see that money go to the government?
Because that's where it's going to go.
It's already a catastrophe, the way that our government is running in the red at ALL times, becoming BIGGER and BIGGER and more all-encompassing. But yeah, let's throw some MORE money at them so that they can continue turning everything they touch into S***. Let's give them MORE power to decide what we as a people can and cannot do in reference to our own bodies.
They keep reaching for our rights and freedoms, and we keep giving it away a piece at a time.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 11:07 PM
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hrmmm.... kinda sucks for them. good for us though.

we'll see if that passes.



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