Highest Level, and Most Powerful Masons Revealed!

reply to post by Masonic Light


I keep hoping that one day, one of these people will at least try to produce something other than their word on how much they know of the "higher degrees". It's almost comical that they come in thinking they are the first to have "blown the lid off masonry's higherarchy"!

If nothing else, it makes for a fun waste of several minutes.

So your lodge doesn't have a day care in it? Your state sure is behind the times.

reply to post by Masonic Light


Masonic HQ in Pennsylvania is the birth place of the Masonic orders in any other states.After World War Two there was a span of time when the different states got there lodges and they was a spreading out of the Masonic HQ in Pennsylvania. That is where my friend became a founding member of so many different lodges around the US.

en.wikipedia.org...

The Right Worshipful Grand Lodge of the Most Ancient and Honorable Fraternity of Free and Accepted Masons of Pennsylvania and Masonic Jurisdiction Thereunto Belonging is the premier masonic organization in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. It is one of the oldest Grand Lodges in the United States, having been established on 26 September 1786 by delegates from the thirteen lodges holding warrants (or charters) from the Provincial Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania, a provincial grand lodge of the Ancients' Grand Lodge of England.

Connected to Ancients' Grand Lodge of England.

en.wikipedia.org...

The United Grand Lodge of England (abbr.: UGLE) is the main governing body of freemasonry within England and Wales and in other, predominantly ex-British Empire and Commonwealth countries outside the United Kingdom. It is the oldest Grand Lodge in the world, deriving its origin from 1717.[2] Together with the Grand Lodge of Ireland and the Grand Lodge of Scotland they are often referred to, by their members, as "the home Grand Lodges" or "the Home Constitutions".

Connected to Scottish Rite and Irelands Masonic orders and Whales Masonic orders. and it keeps going from there. And the US would fall under "ex-British Empire".

reply to post by JBA2848


While I don't know for sure anything about your situation, it sounds like the brother you speak of was a member of quite a few side orders and most likely was a past grand master of his state holding the title of Most Worshipful (I think only when actively in that position but I don't know for sure) We have a past grand master who comes to our lodge often and another who will be grand master next year.

This brother may have traveled to Penn to deal with one of his side orders, like York Rite or Scottish Rite.
here is just one side order and it's affiliated bodies in PA. As Masonic Light has said, US masonry is not affected by any other country.

In the different bodies, masons hold titles like Sir Knight, and Illustrious Brother, and such. The titles just go along with the hat. Most masons I know in the "high up" positions are just regular guys who happen to be real nice and put a lot of their time into masonry and making things around them better. I would say you are lucky to have had such a person as a friend. Your true character is what drives you into that type of position. His must have been top notch.

Originally posted by JBA2848
Masonic HQ in Pennsylvania is the birth place of the Masonic orders in any other states.

No. The birthplace of American Masonry is Boston, where the first Lodges were chartered during colonial times. The Provincial Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania was chartered later.

After World War Two there was a span of time when the different states got there lodges and they was a spreading out of the Masonic HQ in Pennsylvania. That is where my friend became a founding member of so many different lodges around the US.

No. By the time of WWII, each state had its own operating, sovereign, and independent Grand Lodge. Masonry in Pennsylvania is great, but has nothing to do with Masonry outside of Pennsylvania.

The Right Worshipful Grand Lodge of the Most Ancient and Honorable Fraternity of Free and Accepted Masons of Pennsylvania and Masonic Jurisdiction Thereunto Belonging is the premier masonic organization in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. It is one of the oldest Grand Lodges in the United States, having been established on 26 September 1786 by delegates from the thirteen lodges holding warrants (or charters) from the Provincial Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania, a provincial grand lodge of the Ancients' Grand Lodge of England.

That's true, but irrelevant, since all the other Grand Lodges that existed in colonial times (East Coast) can say the same thing within their own states, including my own.

reply to post by network dude


I don't think there is really a commanding figure who orders anything other than a cocktail at the bar. Its all seems to be more show than go and lots of rituals that get there birth from the Queen and the britsh empire. The Catholic Church was even influenced by Masons in the way they tried to create a one religion fits all order. Most things when it comes to Masons is not controling but blending of groups of any kind to benifit society by doing away with what divides it. Such as having many different christian based religions that fought against each other but were supposed to come together under the Catholic religion. Masons seem to be mostly about how things are done and forgiving of how it was used. Take the Catholic church and its crusaed into South America and destroying of wriiting because it was evil. The writings of the Aztec were not evil it was knowledge which can not be evil or good. But it can be used both ways. I think thats why they say all Masons must be good of heart in order to join and must give up the dogmas that would divide them from others.

This article is interesting read about how the Masons fought over control but when it was all said and done control was given back to England. At least all the Masonic material that was taken.
www.freemasons-freemasonry.com...

Originally posted by JBA2848
I think thats why they say all Masons must be good of heart in order to join and must give up the dogmas that would divide them from others.

From what I understand, we don't "give up dogmas", we are just tolerant of other religious dogmas so as not to cause un-needed arguments. It's taught that we can learn much from our differences and they should be embraced, not shunned. It's a shame more people don't go by those simple rules. War might not be the first option if that were the case.

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by network dude
I am sure you will understand when I say....

B S

I call BS on the story about kids hanging out outside during Lodge meetings too. In all my years as a Mason, and having visited Lodges all over, I never saw a single instance of someone bringing a kid to a meeting.

The number of degrees in the Masonic systems are not now, nor have ever been a secret. It's an insult to the intelligence of the readers here to suggest that it is so secret that most Masons don't know about, but somehow non-Masons are privy to all the supposed top secret information.

Simply put, there is no 42nd degree in any system of regular Masonry. The Rites of Memphis and Mitzraim both had over 90 degrees each in their systems, but they were tabled a long time by the Grand College of Rites of the United States, who now has jurisdiction over those degrees, and who haven't conferred them in about a century.

you only know what you're allowed to know, so keep happily living in your little mason world they offer you. and yes, all us kids did hang out at the lodge with our fathers while they we're doing their thing, and i don't care what you believe, in any case

reply to post by sweetnlow
So out of curiosity, how does my recent friendship with fellow Brother and Right Worshipful Grand Master of the Grand lodge of Pennsylvania Tom Sturgeon affect me? (he's practically a neighbor also).

reply to post by scooterstrats

well i suppose that's cool, but what does it suppose to mean is that the secret

reply to post by sweetnlow

Did you not see my post on the Rites of Memphis-Mizraim? Like I said, quit being vague and just put it out there otherwise I'm going to call "shenanigans". What is the title of this degree?

reply to post by sweetnlow

How is it a non-Mason knows about this?

reply to post by JBA2848

Pennsylvania has no authority over any other Grand Lodge than itself. I've been to Pennsylvania and met with many of the Brothers there. The Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania is a beautiful building. You're trying to mix Craft Masonry with other appendant bodies and say they are the same thing.

Your friend wouldn't have to meet with anyone to discuss ascension of command, that is already taken care of with the By-Laws and Constitution of that jurisdiction.

reply to post by sweetnlow

The same could be said to you as a non-Mason. Logically speaking, you as a non-Mason would know less than Masons. I'm calling BS to your entire story.

reply to post by sweetnlow
He's a cool guy. But as he is the "head" of Penn. Freemasonry and that holds some nefarious meaning as implied by your posts, I should have burst into flames or at least puked blood quite a while ago (neither has happened ). By the way, as of January 1, he will have just as much imagined "power" in Lodge as I do.

Freemasonry was developed as a tool to join a brotherhood in common bond and share philosophies, on the surface. It does just that, but it also draws politics and business persona's together where under normal circumstances would never have met (the good ole boy network) this is where deeper out of focus participation occurs and myths become fact, compartmentalization of various group associations within freemasonry are as sacred as the vows each and every one of you have taken, but not shared throughout the rank and file, it serves no positive purpose unless you have been selected to participate within the various associations imbedded beyond Freemasonry's normal functions.

slice it anyway you choose, but this is just a fact of life

reply to post by sweetnlow
Good job on the deflection. How are your postings here (as a 3 day member) "facts"? Why is your opinion a fact whilst members experience in the fraternity (which you are not) as well as empirical data proves otherwise? Just asking. Do you know any Grand Masters? Neighbors of any? Any data or experience as a member that would support your claims and/or opinions that you posit as facts? You can have any opinion you like, but don't try to state things as facts when they are only your opinions

reply to post by scooterstrats
as a 3 day member of what?
Dude i'm old school to this and to the masons/ shriners, ive been around them since i was a weeee little lad, my father was a 32 my unkle 33rd and every silly handshaking ringwearer that hung out. its not all the secrets of the universe you know, its only going to benefit you if you know where to rub the elbows and of who, so don't think you know something that has any significance, because you'll only be chasing your tail, you just don't know anyone on the inside that matters, because if you did we wouldn't be having this conversation

reply to post by sweetnlow
A 3 day member of ATS. And more deflection of questions, a real nice start here.You stated what you called facts, but still only opinions. You can be related to as many members as you see fit, but you are not a member. Why speak as if you have knowledge about a fraternity that you don't belong to? "its not all the secrets of the universe you know, its only going to benefit you if you know where to rub the elbows and of who, so don't think you know something that has any significance, because you'll only be chasing your tail, you just don't know anyone on the inside that matters, because if you did we wouldn't be having this conversation". You contradict yourself. Its not the secrets of the universe, then you say I will benefit by who I rub elbows with who .happens to be the PA Grand master, who has some imagined ludicrous power over Freemasonry as per your earlier post. So I don't know anyone inside that matters? read your previous posts. Pick a stance here chief, you cant change positions here if they don't coincide with your apparently fluid and disparate beliefs. And BTW, I have greatest respect for your uncle for having been awarded the 33rd !

reply to post by scooterstrats

Ahh, Scooter, this one is special. He was part of the mason families that took their kids to the lodge and let them run around in the preparation room while the dad's were in lodge assembled. You know, "special" masons.
That's hows he knows all this stuff.

We are just low levels and unless we were tapped to be part of the inner circle, we would never know about it. it's such a well kept secret that only a select few basement dwellers know of it. We can go back to our pointless lives now.

Originally posted by scooterstrats
reply to post by sweetnlow

 

So out of curiosity, how does my recent friendship with fellow Brother and Right Worshipful Grand Master of the Grand lodge of Pennsylvania Tom Sturgeon affect me? (he's practically a neighbor also).

Bet he's glad he's out of office now! I suppose one's year as Grand Master could be rewarding in its own way, but I also imagine the politicking and bureaucracy could be maddening.

In his third will Rhodes left his entire estate to Freemason Lord Nathan Rothschild as trustee. Rhodes stipulated that his gigantic fortune be used by his disciples to carry out the program he envisioned. Rothschild appointed Freemason Alfred Milner to head up the Secret society for which Rhodes's first will made provision.

Lord Milner once remarked of himself, "My patriotism knows no geographical but only racial limits. I am a British Race patriot." Upon his appointment by Rothschild to chair Rhodes's secret society, Milner recruited a group of young men from Oxford and Tonybee Hall to assist him in organizing his administration of the new society. All were respected English Freemasons. Among them were Rudyard Kipling, Arthur Balfour, Lord Rothschild, and some Oxford College graduates known as "Milner's Kindergarten."

In 1909, Milner's Kindergarten, with some other English Masons, founded the Round Table. The grandfather of all modern British Masonic "think tanks" was born. Three powerful think tank offshoots of the Round Table are (1) the Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA), organized in 1919 in London; (2) the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), organized in 1921 in New York City; and (3) the Institute of Pacific Relations (IPR), organized in 1925 or the twelve countries holding territory in what today we call the Pacific Rim.

The initial assignment of the Round Table was not necessarily to destroy the political experiments of French Freemasonry, such as socialism and communism, but to cooperate with them for the advancement of the English Masonic conspiracy. Some seven years before the organization of the Round Table, of which H.G. Wells would be a founding member, Wells explained the strategy by which aristocratic English Freemasonry would reach its goal of world dominion. He called it an "Open Conspiracy" as opposed to French Freemasonry's closed or secret conspiracy. "The Open Conspiracy will appear first, I believe, as a conscious organization of intelligent and quite possibly in some cases wealthy men, as a movement having distinct social and political aims . . ."

H.G. Wells, previously a member of the socialist Fabian Society of England, was, according to the MacKenzies' history of The Fabians, "branching out into speculations about a new social order..." An elite group of Twelve Wise Men, which included [Bertrand] Russell and Wells, were selected as the "Co-Efficients" who met to discuss and formulate, "Ideas about racial improvement by selecting out the efficient...and [George Bernard] Shaw was working on these 'eugenic' notions in his new play Man and Superman. [Fabian and Co-Efficients co-founder] Beatrice Webb called it 'the most important of all questions, the breeding of the right sort of man...'

watch.pair.com...


You have to bear in mind that this was the Jesuit/illuminati using Cecil Rhodes to co-opt the British empire into it's world domination schemes - which then morphed into the Anglo-American conspiracy as detailed by Carol Quigley

reply to post by JohhnyBGood


To the best of my knowledge, every single person you mentioned is dead.
Cecil Rhodes, Nathan Rothschild, Alfred Milner, Rudyard Kipling, Arthur Balfour, H.G. Wells, Bertrand Russell, George Bernard Shaw, Beatrice Webb, and Carol Quigley. Dead every one of them.

So I'm not sure what your post has to do with living people in actual positions of power. It may have some historical interest to some, but is otherwise offtopic...

(And that's without even getting into the point that the Bavarian Illuminati was anti-Jesuit…)