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The Desperation and Dangers of the Far-Right Extreme Evangelical Sub-Culture

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posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:14 PM
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Then don't give voice to the people that believe Obama is the anti-christ.
(he's actually from Grenobulax, part of an advance invasion fleet)

Birthers, have a compelling argument only because of Obamas apparent lack of transparency. When he created that vaccuum, it had to be filled.

As for pseudo-religious clap-trap, they have been saying that stuff since Moses was parting fishing holes in Egypt.




posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:15 PM
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This is one of the best posts I've read in a long time because of the fact that its a republican calling out republicans.

And I think there is a big difference between someone calling bush the anti-christ and calling obama the anti-christ.

Last time I checked, Obama didn't drive us into a pointless war that costed several countries countless lives for no reason.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:16 PM
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I have met many very intelligent conservatives over the years...I have yet to meet anyone from the hard right that I can say the same about and I have met a lot of them.

I could respect William F. Buckley even though I rarely agreed with a word he said...I cannot say the same about the right's most vocal spokespeople...ann coulter, micheal savage and [*SNIP*] come to mind.

I know I could have had an intelligent, reasoned and respectful conversation with Buckley...I doubt seriously the same could be said of the others.

If conservatives object to the image that many of us on the left have of them perhaps they should stop letting the extremists hog the microphone.

 


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[edit on 9/17/2009 by AshleyD]



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:19 PM
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Michelle Malkin is worse than Coulter.


Just sayin'...



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:21 PM
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Just because a group is small, doesn't negate their power. KKK is not that big, yet people fear them. The mafia maybe consisted of a few thousand at the height of their power, yet people wonder if any italian American has connections.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by mikerussellus
www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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These are just some of the threads that discussed that Bush is the anti-christ.

Those darn left-wing fanatics. That means all left-wingers are fanatics, right? I mean, if we're going to paint with a broad brush, well, lets get to "paintin'."

Were they desparate? Are they a sub-culture? What is/has the media said about them?

[edit on 17-9-2009 by mikerussellus]


Mike, before I click on them were any of them started by me?



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:21 PM
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This is true...but I avoid both like the plague.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:21 PM
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To be fair, he's a former Republican. He left the party in 2000 and registered as an Independent.

He's a very interesting and intelligent guy. Frank Schaeffer

[edit on 17-9-2009 by Benevolent Heretic]



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:23 PM
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All of them were.




posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:25 PM
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"A new study out of Yale University confirms what argumentative liberals have long-known: Offering reality-based rebuttals to conservative lies only makes conservatives cling to those lies even harder. In essence, schooling conservatives makes them more stupid."

read more www.huffingtonpost.com... h-co_b_126805.html



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:25 PM
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84% of Democrats approve of Barack Obama's "performance" as President of the United States, according to the most recent Rasmussen tracking poll.

And exactly what are 84% of Democrats approving?

84% of Democrats approve of burning 100 Afghan civilians to death in Kunduz.

84% of Democrats approve of killing 95 Afghan children in Farah.

84% of Democrats approve of long-term unemployment and destitution for millions of Americans.

84% of Democrats approve of $23.7 trillion in guaranteed loans for criminal bankers.

84% of Democrats approve of Obama's flipflop about tax-cuts for billionaires.

84% of Democrats approve of Obama's flipflop about NAFTA.

84% of Democrats approve of Obama's flipflop about the Employee Free Choice Act.

84% of Democrats approve of huge cash outlays to mortgage bankers...

The outlay has already reached about $1 trillion over the past year and is rising. During that time, the government has pumped more money into the mortgage market than has been spent on Medicare or Social Security or the defense budget...

...while hundreds of thousands of homeowners are still foreclosed every month, and in August 2009, there was "a record high number of properties either entering default or being scheduled for a public foreclosure auction for the first time," and...

Payrolls bled out another 216,000 jobs in August, and...

84% of Democrats approve!


Most of don't like him for the above. You seem to love him for it.

Most of protested this same #$%! when George bush did it. And we didn't change our minds about it when Obama got elected. So drop your BS. I was a Terrorist sympathizer when Bush was in Office, now I'm a Racist, religious radical?

At least I'm consistent, all of you that protested Bush and support Obama can [*SNIP*]. I'm sick of this crap. You're all a bunch of [*SNIP*]. Go team go!!!!

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posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:27 PM
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Yeeaa, and this topic doesn't resemble hyperbole at all like the Op and agreers always accuses those against the "left" of using!! What a joke.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:33 PM
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I am so happy that you wrote this thread, BH.
It not only shows that you do watch and believe what MSNBC is spewing, but also that you have a real agenda with the "far right" and it's associated political hacks. (yes, I said hacks)

The fact is, a HUGE number of voters did not, and do not, like what the President and his minions in the houses are selling. The only conspiracy is the efforts by you and others like you to paint all republicans, and christians, with a broad brush.

You KNOW that the President has lied, but you accept it for the "greater good".

Is it because you yourself are a liberal who believes firmly in what the far left is trying to acheive?

How does this make your arguments any more valid than the nutjobs on the other end of the spectrum?

I know what this thread is about, and it is not the "education" that you are claiming to provide.

The fact remains, that there are so many people fed up with the far left changing this country, that they will probably say anything to express their frustration. If you can't see how this is similar to all the crap spewed about Bush and Co., and why it is that you liberals felt validated in saying so, then you can never understand what people are actually upset about.

By the way, I never watch Faux News, but am always accused of getting my talking points there. So is it fair to say, now that you have admitted your viewership of MSNBC, that I can paint you with the same brush as well?

Edit to correct spelling

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posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by grover
I have met many very intelligent conservatives over the years...I have yet to meet anyone from the hard right that I can say the same about and I have met a lot of them.

I could respect William F. Buckley even though I rarely agreed with a word he said...I cannot say the same about the right's most vocal spokespeople...ann coulter, micheal savage and mush loosebowels come to mind.

I know I could have had an intelligent, reasoned and respectful conversation with Buckley...I doubt seriously the same could be said of the others.

If conservatives object to the image that many of us on the left have of them perhaps they should stop letting the extremists hog the microphone.


Buckley would have had absolutely NOTHING to do with any of the other "lunatics" that you mentioned, he had way too much class for those bafoons.

He would have denounced Limbaugh, Beck, Hanity, Coulter and the other damn LIARS that have taken over the conservative flag.

Buckleys opposition was filled with reason and based in genuine differences of position, not like the "birthers, shouters, haters" that fill the airwaves of the 21st. century False-news channel



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by aravoth

The GOP was created by anti-slavery activists, and it's first president elected, was Abraham Lincoln. Which is probably why Martin Luther King was a Republican.



For the most part, the southern racist in the 50s and 60s were democrats. It makes perfect sense that Martin Luther King would be a Republican at that time. That is pretty much ancient history. For the most part, white southern racists joined the Republican party as the Democrats increased their support of minorities and women in the 70s and beyond. As we can see with the almost solid Republican voting patterns of the south which once were solid Democrat states.



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posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by sickofitall2012
I am begging everyone, please stop feeding the hate!!!!!!!!!!!!
A country divided cannot stand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE THE PEOPLE need to stand up and unite together. A divided country is much easier to control, don't you see that? Both sides can preach all day, but changing peoples deep beliefs will never work, never has. Holy wars ring a bell?
Not only is there a far right, there is a far left. Both are a very small # of the population. I am very suspicious of anyone that deliberately sets forth to destroy the unity of Americans. I will no longer contribute to the hate, I will only keep asking people to stop before they divide us for good.


This country was founded in division...we stand together only when we are bombing other places...but the founding principle of this here republic is for people to disagree, to argue for a different way of doing things, to not accept anything as the way to think or be...and as much as it destroys unity, it also allows us the freedom we desired in the first place...to be able to have individuality.

We set up a government structure that not only allows, but demands the opportunity for civil revolution every 4 years by voting for a brand new head, every part of the republic is for diversity and change (the product of disagreement) and should be embraced.

What needs to be fought is ignorance...facts matter. If you are believing in something, then make sure its supported by concrete facts, else you are part of the problem verses the solution. When you go protest something, make sure your armed with a actual understanding of what you protest verses just being a tool for some corporation.

Dont try to stop the division...hell, without division, we would still be part of the british colony and be speaking...erm, nevermind, but point is, division of ideas is fine, its ideas based on non-facts that is not.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 01:16 PM
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First of all, you report Frank Schaeffer is the son of C Everett Coop. He is not. He is the son of Francis Schaeffer, a Christian philosopher and author of over 20 books in his lifetime, including one he co-authored with C Everett Coop.

I met Frank Schaeffer and spoke with him over 25 years ago when he was then known as Frankie Schaeffer. He is brilliant, as was his father and mother. I agree with most of what he says regarding some Christians who are fatalists. However, I find him to be a bit too political. He believes the hope of man is partly in politics, and that is in error.

The society we are delt with now is evil at its core, both Dem & Rep, left and right. Our government in the USA is best described today as fascist, run by a secret shadowy elite and dedicated to total control of mankind. Our ONLY hope is God. But this should not cause fatalism. Rather we are to be a light in the darkness. Now is the time to stand for right in the face of evil and offer the only true hope for mankind, Jesus Christ.


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posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 01:41 PM
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I am so tired of the amount of bashing and labeling that goes on in these threads. Labeling your adversary a "nut" or a "fundamentalist" or any of the other colorful adjectives that get posted, automatically makes your adversary have to defend his character, rather than his argument.

I am a "birther" and a christian. I don't know what a "fundamentalist" is, so I won't claim that title. I am also capable of reasoning (shocker).

Here is the only pertinent fact: Obama has not provided his original birth certificate. He has provided another document, a certificate of live birth.

If a growing number of people have questions about Obama's eligibility, why wouldn't, why SHOULDN'T, he just provide the document and end this whole stupid argument?

Instead, anyone who questions his eligibility is labeled something, birther, nutjob, fundamentalist, racist and so on. Attacking the person's character,rather than addressing the content of his message, is the argument of a very weak mind.

Anytime the best a person can do is call names, I know I've won the argument. When they go so far out of their way to demonize, then I know I've struck a cord.

I wish such a big deal hadn't been made about that fact BC. I wish Orly Taitz wasn't the person asking the questions I want answered. I, and a lot of other people, have grievances against the government, and I would like them addressed. Why does that make me a racist/fundamentalist/birther/nutjob?

Just remember people, labeling someone, whether it's evangelical, right-wing extremist, socialist, fascist or a racial epithet is just a sign that the person has nothing intelligent to say.

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posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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Well I have to say it is very refreshing seeing a former devout republican (devout used intentionally) calling it as it is.

The fundamentalist ideological movement is a coiled snake in my opinion.

It has already struck (through the iraq wars and afhganistan wars) and is growing with the anti-government popularity (through proxy...the shared belief Obama is ruining the country intentionally).

While it is my opinion it is not a fight for the government, I believe it is up to each rational and moderate minded citizen to beat this ideological serpent with every weapon at our disposal.

And it is imperative we dont just ignore it or side with the snake in the other corner...the gloablized federales bating us with free healthcare and easy money and other false promises...

There is one way we can fend off both snakes at the same time...

www.progressivelibertarian.com...



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