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Worst Conspiracy Theory Ever

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posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 01:36 AM
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Try to digg into the 'fundings' of these wars, maybe things will be more clear !




posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 02:24 AM
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Well some believe aliens are responsible for the NWO idea.

If this were true, should one find it hard to believe a being/beings of superior 'intelligence' had put together this 'design'?

If aliens were so foolish to design such a plan, would they not be as easy to defeat?

Therefor, I wouldn't worry too much about an 'alien' agenda, for if this was the case, they don't appear much of a threat.

I prefer to use the term E.T. personally, since alien seems so.....alien.

I believe most are 'alien' unto themselves.

Does not the term God and Angel not pre-suppose the existence of 'aliens' unto Earth?

They would be not of the Earth, No?

Much more Truth to come soon enough.
Made to order.
Order Up!



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 03:22 AM
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"We are at war with Iraq and Afghanistan because some guy called Osama Bin Laden woke up one morning and decided to fly 2 planes into the Twin Towers for no apparent reason,"

no, because he wants us off islamic lands..

"He runs some organisation called the Taliban and Al Qaeda who are such an organised terrorist group"

yep

"that they could not even manage to blow up a Jeep Cherokee with 6 Calor Gas Bottles at Glasgow Airport."

groups are made up of different people.... 1 black person being stupid means all black people are stupid? 1 terror cell #ing up means all cells are # ups?
"We are talking about the same highly advanced terrorist organisation here aren't we ? "

in the sense that all black people are the same and all christians are evangelists, yes..

"So straight after 9/11 we invade Iraq because Saddam Hussain has something to do with this Osama guy ? "

no, for wmds. and 2 years later, not right away.

"Then Iraq may of had weapons of mass destruction but they didn't because England and the United States supplied Iraq with its weapons but we forgot to check the receipts."

the ones we were worried about weren't the ones we sold him..

"Then the story goes on that he had to be removed because he had committed genecide in the early 1990's of around 200 Kurds so we have had to kill 1.3 million Iraqi civilians since this invasion."

> 1 million has been widely discredited.. try closer to a few hundred thousand with only a few 10s of thousand being killed by US troops, and saddam's kurd gassing killed more like 5000. and no, this was never a rational for war. the rational was wmds and now we're there just trying not to look bad basically, same reasons we didn't leave vietnam. that and some people want to help rebuild what we destroyed and restabilize what we took out of stability.

"Ok I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, "

not gonna argue with that.
i realize your a ct and all but that doesn't excuse you from not checking facts and using good logic (1.3 mil, seriously? that'd mean something like 1 in 25 people in iraq have been killed).

[edit on 9/18/09 by RedDragon]



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 06:39 AM
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You know nothing of sarcasm!!
Personally I think there should be another investigation done with numerous agencies (at least 10+) so that multiple data sources can be compared and legitimized. If only to quiet the conspiracy theorists and the people who believe there is no conspiracy. Either way I won't be surprised with what they find.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 07:21 AM
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You know maybe if you stop looking for a boogeyman and believing an inept government attacked its own people. The website you gave is a bogus website with bogus numbers. Maybe if you "Truthers" grew up, you would realize this. In order for an attack of that magnitude to have been conducted but the U.S there would have been plenty of people involved. Eventually those people would talk no matter what EVERYONE TALKS.

2. There have been recreations on smaller scales that show/and prove that airplanes hit the buildings all three of them. Now I will admit, Flight 93 was shot down, the military didn’t want to risk and attack on anymore buildings.

While I do see there are plenty of discrepancies, I do not believe the goverment or any goverment beuracrat is comptent enough to comitt this attroicties.

EVERYONE TALKS... Stick your head into the clouds and keep bitching about it being an inside job, Instead of actually trying to fix this wounded nation before we go the way of ROME.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 07:22 AM
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No i am not a corner, but yes I did transport and bury Iraqi dead.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 07:27 AM
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This is not a conspiracy.
You are in the Game.

And the Judge is about to "whistle".
Game, set, match.
Checkmate.
Royal Flush.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 07:27 AM
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Next to the senseless loss of life since 911, the biggest loss has been that of trust.

- trust in the guy who sits in the highest office in the land
- trust in the military and civilian leaders
- trust in countries we thought were our friends (Israel)
- trust in the media

We are left with a complete lack of trust in anyone with so-called authority.
We are left to sort it out for ourselves with more innuendo than fact and not much more to go on than gut feeling.

And it feels bad. There is a desperate need for truth in this land.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 07:35 AM
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Do you know what I don't understand?

How people, esp. with this 9/11 stuff, can be at such extremities.

'If you believe the O.S., you have no logic.'

'If you believe it was an I.J., you're a nutjob.'

Do you see what I'm trying to poke at here? The fact of the matter is, one of these sides is at a loss of logic, right? But if anyone had ANY logic whatsoever, everyone wouldn't be at two such extremities of perception.

Either this, or it is impossible to say that folks aren't just indenial of facts. They completely understand what happened that day, and couldn't come to terms with what their logic was insisting.

Whichever 'logic' I'm talking about anyway. lol



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 08:02 AM
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That's probably the worst summation I have ever read!

The Taliban is a group of muslims in Afghanistan, they were a governmental organization with extreme religious views, they supported, trained and allowed any and all terrorist to enter their country to form terrorist training camps to strike out at all non-believers.

Why we went to war with Iraq...simple, were being attacked daily by the Iraqis, by UN law they were to not cross the no fly zone which they did daily, targeting our jets constantly. They were not allowed to build SAM sites or radar, they did this weekly. They kept threatening us over and over. There was good reason to believe that Iraq would attack their neighbors with chemical weapons. None were found, doesn't mean they are not buried in the vast desert somewhere or moved to Syria. Remember, Sadam had 6 months to hide and or get rid of anything before we were allowed to strike.

We did find 2 biological mobile labs buried 30ft underground, these trucks were scrubbed clean, beyond clean, like not 1 bacterium were found inside, meaning they were cleaned chemically of all traces of anything. Why is that?



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 08:41 AM
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You know, in fact I dont know if you do know or if its just me that knows but Rumsfield put it right, dont you know?



So there you have it, now you know what I knew but how can anyone know what they dont know?

Do you know what I am saying?




posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 08:49 AM
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None were found, doesn't mean they are not buried in the vast desert somewhere or moved to Syria.


That is some sketchy conjecture.

It is always interesting to read the many viewpoints on the subject. Depending on which story you choose to put your faith in, vast amounts of speculation are required to paint a complete composite.

The facts don't support the reason we declared war upon Iraq. Conjecture and speculation are all anyone has since it has been determined that NO Weapons OF Mass Destruction were ever found in Iraq.

Remember? 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq, official story.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by RedDragon
"We are at war with Iraq and Afghanistan because some guy called Osama Bin Laden woke up one morning and decided to fly 2 planes into the Twin Towers for no apparent reason,"

no, because he wants us off islamic lands..

"He runs some organisation called the Taliban and Al Qaeda who are such an organised terrorist group"

yep

"that they could not even manage to blow up a Jeep Cherokee with 6 Calor Gas Bottles at Glasgow Airport."

groups are made up of different people.... 1 black person being stupid means all black people are stupid? 1 terror cell #ing up means all cells are # ups?
"We are talking about the same highly advanced terrorist organisation here aren't we ? "

in the sense that all black people are the same and all christians are evangelists, yes..

"So straight after 9/11 we invade Iraq because Saddam Hussain has something to do with this Osama guy ? "

no, for wmds. and 2 years later, not right away.

"Then Iraq may of had weapons of mass destruction but they didn't because England and the United States supplied Iraq with its weapons but we forgot to check the receipts."

the ones we were worried about weren't the ones we sold him..

"Then the story goes on that he had to be removed because he had committed genecide in the early 1990's of around 200 Kurds so we have had to kill 1.3 million Iraqi civilians since this invasion."

> 1 million has been widely discredited.. try closer to a few hundred thousand with only a few 10s of thousand being killed by US troops, and saddam's kurd gassing killed more like 5000. and no, this was never a rational for war. the rational was wmds and now we're there just trying not to look bad basically, same reasons we didn't leave vietnam. that and some people want to help rebuild what we destroyed and restabilize what we took out of stability.

"Ok I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, "

not gonna argue with that.
i realize your a ct and all but that doesn't excuse you from not checking facts and using good logic (1.3 mil, seriously? that'd mean something like 1 in 25 people in iraq have been killed).

[edit on 9/18/09 by RedDragon]


The OP is making a monkey out of you. He's meerly quoting the conspiracy theory that is being spoonfed to the general public through the media to people who are not the sharpest tools in the shed.

Whether the figures of dead be right or not. 1 dead is on too many, 3 dead is mass murder, now were in the realms of genecide and people like you and me are funding this.




The estimate that over a million Iraqis have died received independent confirmation from a prestigious British polling agency in September 2007. Opinion Research Business estimated that 1.2 million Iraqis have been killed violently since the US-led invasion. This devastating human toll demands greater recognition. It eclipses the Rwandan genocide and our leaders are directly responsible. Little wonder they do not publicly cite it

Foreign Policy Website


We are guilty of genecide. We may not of pulled the trigger but we paid for the bullets so its time to ask who really is the ct

[edit on 18-9-2009 by Stevie55]



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 10:20 AM
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That is only the beginning of what happened. Your reasoning is just the top of the iceburg. That is why you don't understand at all. You need to look into things and read up on things before you reach conclusions, it'll make you look much smarter!



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 10:49 AM
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You'll eat your words if you read the rest of the thread...



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 11:45 AM
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Lets not forget a few things to add to this ridiculous conspiracy theory spun by the Gov.

#1. We know that the Afghanistan War was already going to happen or planned for October, so what Bin Laden did "just so happened" to fit the War plan!

#2. A Korean Jet-pilots inputs hijacking codes while flying over Alaska on 9/11 and almost get shot down! The excuse? Language problems! The interesting thing? Just days before yet another "coincidence" happened. A War Game involving a Korean Air Jet Hijacking Over Alaska!!

#3. Other War GAmes that involved very similar scenario's.

#4. The Bin Laden's "just so happened to know" The Bush Family. What a coincidence! Just by chance, the The Leader of the Most Powerful Terrorist Org has family ties to the Leader of the Most Powerful Nation on earth! Who would have "thunk" it?!

(don't forget the Bush's also had family ties to the Hinkley family, the family who had one of their sons shoot Pres Ronald Reagan!)

[edit on 18-9-2009 by talisman]



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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I like that film idea, but that will never happen as many other things.
The Roger Moore 911 film got things started but no one put up as much
as protest for Nam.

And people were protesting all over the place back in the pre Nam days.

Roger's 911 film showed people wanted to block Bush from entering
the White House from the start by blocking the street.
Once he got in the house the opposition ended.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 01:52 PM
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Disprove these figures, and why the craft when it appeared in the released video stayed in that spot for 25 plus frames.


Why, when it was never my intent in this thread to verify or falsify either the official story or conspiracy theories. In fact, I think I expressed and clarified that point on more than one occasion, as well as acknowledging the dichotomy between the two as irrelevant to the point I was making.

Which was... that (regardless of unmitigated self-affirming bias or as a parody), if you are going to effectively try to argue against the official story, you have to at least have a basic working knowledge of what the official story actually states. What the OP presented was a strawman, and since strawmen are inherently built upon misrepresentations of what your contending against, then knocking it down does absolutely nothing to strengthen your own argument or weaken your opposition. To intentionally misrepresent the official story in such a manner is an intellectually dishonest attempt at appealing to the ignorance of those observing the exchange. The common use of rhetoric such as "Sheeple" and "Awoken" carry little persuasive capability if one cannot demonstrate that they are conscious of the same pitfalls they suggesting they've risen above.


As for your presentation, I appreciate the enthusiasm you show, but it was never my intention (nor do I have the inclination) to shift focus away from the point at hand into an attempt to defend the official story. Ultimately, I don't see the point when, if your claim that it will "pop the official crap wide open" is true, the case should be breaking any day now right? There's over 15,000 peer reviewed journals published worldwide, and about 130 million scientists in America alone IIRC... is there ANY outside independent validation to support your claim? Because... put yourself in my shoes. I don't know you Jack Hole, demanding that I refute your "smoking gun", on a website which makes concessions for fellow members who, on occasion, are disposed to advocating the case that Queen Elizabeth is a reptile alien.

I don't consider the assertions of ATS members to be, in any measure, a trusted source of information.

If the theory is backed by science, then it's a product of the Scientific Method. That means it's been peer-reviewed and published as a part of that methodology. Provide the source and abstract, and then we can get the ball rolling on this.

Or, as I recall, your "Debunk this" challenge was prefaced with this quote of mine:



whereas Conspiracy Theorists typically never really uncover anything, and only prove their points to each other within the context of their own conventions, protests, and internet communities.


... To which... you thought it would be appropriate to respond to me... with... an example... that confirmed my observation. Beyond that, if for the moment I assume that the claim you laid out to me is correct, independently verifiable, and proves the US Government were the masterminds behind 9/11, my assessment is still correct so long as that theory remains merely within the domain of the Conspiracy Theory community, it's impotent in advancing the Truth movement's goals.

So, it would only help serve to strengthen your position if you could provide a few examples of ATS members who, in the past, have not only uncovered a conspiracy through their research - but were directly responsible for uncovering and advancing that evidence they uncovered (can't just be "I called it's, obviously) into some form of real social reaction in light of it. The stepping down of a CEO of a major corporation, the inditement of a Senator, etc. Special Bonus points if they were responsible for driving a Rockefeller or Rothschild into bankruptcy because of it.


In the final analysis, however, it doesn't matter. If the math, physics, and science is as rock solid as you suggest - just save the thread to your favorites folder and wait for the inevitable. Display the link on your signature as a badge of triumph.. as vindication. Send me a U2U when the news breaks.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 02:09 PM
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Wow, all that to side step around your `They never uncover anything`flaw.

I`m impressed
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posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 02:25 PM
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Still didn't go as they planned WW? The plan was executed brilliantly, there was not one thing that didn't go their way. I have to assume your referring to f93, which even though they did not make it to DC, they still crashed the plane and killed everyone on board. Maybe you need refreshed.

A. Completely defeated all of our alphabet agencies that should have stopped this. Trained at our own facilities. Moved in and out and around the country without any problems.


1. Hijacked four airliners and crashed them, without a single hiccup. Killing all on board all four aircraft. NOTE: They were also able to not only avoid military intervention of their hijacked aircraft, they were able to avoid them completely moving completely unimpeded to their respective targets.

2. Completely destroyed the entire WTC complex(Billions upon billions of USD in damages) Killing almost almost 3000 people, also killing unknown numbers of the first responders that are dying now

3. Destroyed section of Pentagon killing over 100.

4. Help to kill all responding military soldiers, who would not have died had there plan not succeeded. Those deaths are still piling up, thousands of more US citizens(soldiers) dead and tens of thousands mortally injured.

WW where do you see failure in this plan?

This is not even including the fact that they helped make flying at a airport much like being booked into a jail. Their actions created numerous laws that only effect US citizens, things like warrant-less searches, seizures, and wiretaps. Their actions have created a divide within the country of believers of the OS and the non believers of the OS.

I always cringe when I hear OS believers claim that their plan was not completely perfect, or that everything didn't go their way.

Sorry it did.



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