Freemasons Facts or Fiction?

The heart and mind do constant battle and the best outcome that can be hoped for under the circumstances is one that is equally problematic to both heart and mind, each giving and getting in equal measure.

Such is true of real life relationships

Sounds like wise words but i hope there not true because i think thats the stage I am at now lol. Thanks for the input.

reply to post by tempest501

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from what I can see, you are definately on the right path. You are asking questions with an open mind. That after all, is the only way to learn anything. Everyone follows different roads along life, but most end up at the same location after time. And the coolest part of it all is the journey. That is where all the knowledge comes from. If you need help or have questions, just ask. If you really want to blow your mind, ask God a few questions. You may just get answers. I usually do.

Thanks again for the encouragement.

Forgive me if this is a stupid question but how do you ask God a question when you dont know who god is. Plus how would he he even be able to answer. Do you mean in prayer? tried this before but never really felt any sort of response. How do you ask and receive answers? Sorry i am a pain its just im such a curious person by nature. Allways seeking the answer in everything, my new wife says it can get very irritating lol

Not at all. On this stage, their can be no absolute certainty on such a matter; hence faith. How absolutist do you want to be? For each individual, the question becomes at what point they can allow that they might see for themselves the unseen hand of a Supreme Being. Using the Judeo-Christian model, was the Universe and everything in it really created in six of the time cycles we call days? Or is "day" a metaphor for something more?

If you never reconcile that for yourself, you could do far worse than living by the maxim found in "Santa Claus is Coming to Town"

HTH
Fitz

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I might be driving down the road and thinking about all the things that are troubling me at the moment. Lately with the economy in the crapper and my business being a tremendous indicator of said economy, I have a few things on my plate. So I just talk to God in my head. I sometimes get ideas as answers, but some of the most profound ones will be a song that comes on the radio. Usually something I haven't ever heard, or something I haven't heard in years. Something in the song will be my answer. It doesn't happen all the time, but it has happened enough for me to believe that he listens to me. That is enough for me. It has gotten me through some tough times. I don't think you will see a burning bush, or a booming voice from a cloud, but when it happens, it will be hard to miss. My daughter is about where you are now. I am not forcing her to any belief, but instead answering her questions as best I can. The fact that she is asking questions is enough for me to be hopeful that she will find him as well. And finding him on your own is priceless compared to just following the pack. You don't have to join up with Billy Graham to be a child of God. You already are. And church is where you decide it is. A beach to see the sunrise, a quiet field to lay and watch the clouds, anywhere. Driving in traffic. Just don't be afraid to ask for help. And don't ask for a million dollars. I tried, and it never works.

Mike

One of my favourite quotes is by a famous Freemason, Sir Francis Bacon:

"Small amounts of philosophy lead to atheism, but larger amounts bring us back to God."

Well I will most certainly give that a go and see what happens. So nice to talk to people that dont just say "Just have Faith or believe it because I say it is so"

This has been great to explore this subject and the freemason aspect.

I will def be doing more research on both these things. From what some of you have said it seem like freemasonry maybe something to explore at some point if only to find like minded and more importantly open minded people to talk things over with.

I will def try and have a conversation with God though and see where it leads. Sorry to hear the request for a millions dollars doesnt work.

What about winning the euro millions tomorrow night?

Thought not =C

Peace

Might happen. Mind you, that answer may not be from the Supreme Being. Might be from his former assistant.

*shrug* Call it what you will... "The Secret", "Law of Attraction", "Positive Thinking", "Reality Hacking", "Chaos Magick"... the results are the same. (Skyfloating's even written a few books on the subject, IIRC...) When my wife and I moved some years ago before having our first child, we had no house, no job prospects, and obviously a fairly great need since we had a kid on the way. In very short order (within 2 or 3 months) we had the house (fixed rate, not variable APR, and still without any income to show them...), I was able to return to school, my wife gave birth to a healthy baby (we were paying insurance out of pocket since we were both essentially "self employed"), and we both found jobs to supplement our artistic, bohemian outlets. Each came when it needed to come. We could have panicked or worried about our situation, but I knew things were going to be fine, and they were.

wow, i never heard that one before

will have to remember that

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Well I was only kidding on the lottery front. Your story is very encouraging though. In fact what yourself (Congrats on your baby btw) and Netwrok Dude have said over this thread has really struck home with me. I recently got married in August and were looking at the House and family stuff once our situation becomes more stable.

It really is a shame that you dont really come across people that can discuss and share like this in my neck of the woods.

P.S On a slightly weird note I was out walking last night and contemplating stuff and realised literally round the corner from where I live is a Lodge.