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reply posted on 17-9-2009 @ 09:06 AM by Fitzgibbon
Originally posted by tempest501
reply to
post by JoshNorton



Thank you for your contributions so far, it is def giving me food for thought. Especially about researching on your own or in a group. Very insightful.

Thank everyone for contributing to this thread by the way its really helpful.

Peace


De nada. An open mind is a terrible thing to waste.

If Freemasons are the global elite controlling the world, why is it that I'm going to be shifting 3 cubic yards of triple-mix topsoil that just got dumped in my driveway?


reply posted on 17-9-2009 @ 09:09 AM by spikey
reply to post by Fitzgibbon



You like word play don't you mate.

You know exactly what is being said to you, but like everyone with a hidden agenda or something to hide, you go through the motions of answering but use word play and misdirection to hide whatever it is you wish to keep hidden.

You're answers are exactly like your dark organisation it seems. Diversionary, contradictory, and full inconsistencies.

If you really believe what you say in your heart of hearts, why not answer the questions fully and honestly, without the snide and slippery retorts?

Come to that, do you also claim that a lie by omission is not a lie?


reply posted on 17-9-2009 @ 09:20 AM by network dude
reply to post by spikey



you will have to be a bit more specific. I can't see what you are referring to. Fitz has answered and commented on a few things in this thread. What do you want to know? Just ask it.


reply posted on 17-9-2009 @ 09:24 AM by Fitzgibbon
Originally posted by spikey
reply to
post by Fitzgibbon



You like word play don't you mate.


Not especially. I just toasted your AA analogy (as did JoshNorton [IIRC])

Originally posted by spikey
You know exactly what is being said to you, but like everyone with a hidden agenda or something to hide, you go through the motions of answering but use word play and misdirection to hide whatever it is you wish to keep hidden.


The words were as plain as day. If you want to believe there was misdirection, be my guest. I'll let other posters who don't have a dog in this fight be their own judges of who's being straightforward.

Originally posted by spikey
You're answers are exactly like your dark organisation it seems. Diversionary, contradictory, and full inconsistencies.


My answers are direct and plain. If you see diversion, contradiction and inconsistency, then that's because your world view (or Masonic view) demands it. That your 'truth'; that does not make it reality.

Originally posted by spikey
If you really believe what you say in your heart of hearts, why not answer the questions fully and honestly, without the snide and slippery retorts?


Done and done. You are welcome to see it as you choose to.

Originally posted by spikey
Come to that, do you also claim that a lie by omission is not a lie?


A lack of confirmation is not a lie. I made a promise not to divulge Masonic secrets and I haven't and won't. That is not to say that others haven't or won't again. But that speaks to their characters and not mine. I'm a man of my word and take to heart the maxims of Brotherly Love, Relief and Truth.

Don't like that? I'm sorry for you then.


reply posted on 17-9-2009 @ 09:38 AM by kingswillquiver
reply to post by Fitzgibbon
A lack of confirmation is not a lie. I made a promise not to divulge Masonic secrets and I haven't and won't.


Maybe is an honest answer? No matter how you twist it,
it's dishonest.

I see no honor in that whatsoever.


reply posted on 17-9-2009 @ 09:46 AM by Saurus
reply to post by kingswillquiver



Please tell us your Bank and ATS login and password.
I assume that you will not refuse, since, by your own admission, that would lack honor, and is dishonest.

Then feel free to ask me my Masonic passwords.
I will refuse, since keeping my oath is my definition of the honorable thing to do.





[edit on 17/9/2009 by Saurus]



reply posted on 17-9-2009 @ 09:50 AM by Fitzgibbon
Originally posted by kingswillquiver
reply to
post by Fitzgibbon
A lack of confirmation is not a lie. I made a promise not to divulge Masonic secrets and I haven't and won't.


Maybe is an honest answer? No matter how you twist it,
it's dishonest.

I see no honor in that whatsoever.


Your train of logic is lost on me. What Mason in this thread has said that they'd answer "maybe" if asked a question that required divulging a Masonic secret? The responses I've seen have been "I can't answer that" (or some variation thereof.

I (and other real Masons) made promises not to divulge the secrets entrusted to our care. It's a test of personal character because anybody can Google Masonic ritual if they're that interested. Masonic ritual has been available to the general public for pushing three centuries; it isn't like the Internet was necessary for that.

If keeping your word as your bond strikes you as dishonourable, then that speaks more to you character than mine.


reply posted on 17-9-2009 @ 10:36 AM by Fitzgibbon
Originally posted by kingswillquiver
reply to
post by Fitzgibbon



So, is that a yes or a no?


That was the sum total of any "sexual ritual" in Masonry. And truth be told, that's more of a banquet room message than lodge room. Like I said, available from Oprah, Jerry or Montel 5 days a week

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