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Tokyo Contemplating Split with US over Afghanistan Policy

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posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:57 AM
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Incoming Tokyo government threatens split with US
A split is emerging between the United States and Japan over the new Tokyo government's anti-globalisation rhetoric and its threats to end a refueling agreement for US ships in support of the war in Afghanistan.






Yukio Hatoyama, the leader of the Democratic Party of Japan, has caused alarm in Washington after publishing an article blaming the US for the ills of capitalism, the global economy and "the destruction of human dignity".

He also intends to examine an agreement that permits US warships to dock at Japanese ports, in violation of the nation's non-nuclear principles. Mr Hatoyama says he will also look again at the $6 billion cost faced by Japan to transfer thousands of US troops from their base in Okinawa to the Pacific island of Guam amid a wide-ranging review of the American military presence on Japanese soil.



The Defence Department would not "prejudge" Japan's new political leadership, he added.

"We think that when the responsibility of governing comes about that people will appreciate, as we have every reason to believe they do, the importance of this alliance and the importance of working together on these [security] agreements," he said.



Mr Hatoyama will be sworn in on Wednesday after an historic victory that ended decades of near unbroken rule by the Liberal Democratic Party. He will have his first meeting with Barack Obama, the US president, at the United Nations on Sep 22.


We will see what the attitude is after this important meeting on the 22nd with President Obama. One thing for certain neither of them is wasting a single moment to get this resolved one way or another.

As Japan prepares to align with their neighboring country of China and dropping the US we see one of the greatest indicators of just how serious the situation is for the Us economy and the Global war on terror.

This is getting more intense by the day and in case you missed what Gold and Silver were up to today take a look at this! Gold $1,020.90 Silver $17.58


www.telegraph.co.uk...

www.kitco.com...




posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 01:01 AM
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S&F antar, thx for bringing this to our attention!

IF it goes down like that and Japan does indeed split from the US, I would honestly not be that surprised anymore. Obama will not want Japan to split, as this could be interpreted as an "abandon ship!" from a country that alot of Americans tend to think of as our little eastern brother. It is definitely a big red flag in my opinion!



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 01:09 AM
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Not to mention that Japan has been a big Truther movement all along.
I am sure their are plenty of threads here at ATS about those so I won't even bother to post links.

One question, do you think that the Japanese mentality about 9/11 has anything to do with Pearl Harbor and their knowledge whether or not we let that happen also?



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 01:12 AM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
One question, do you think that the Japanese mentality about 9/11 has anything to do with Pearl Harbor and their knowledge whether or not we let that happen also?


That's a damn good question, I must say!!!!
Unfortunately all I can do is speculate, but I imagine that Pearl Harbor probably isn't the foremost thing in the minds of the Japanese who are pushing for 9/11 truth. Perhaps people in the know over there have a better understanding of the parallels, IF there are any.

I for one am of the opinion that there ARE parallels, but that's another story.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 01:14 AM
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Could this be the beginning of the end for support with the war on terror? Have the humanitarian issues and our need to democratize the world finally worn out its welcome?

Japan to end coalition support in Iraq




Japanese Air Self-Defence Force personnel will leave their base in Kuwait where they have been flying troops and military material to Iraq since 2006.

The news comes two years after Japanese ground troops left the country.


It seems that thee new Liberal democratic party is deeply committed to pacifism and plan to continue moving out of the middle east conflicts and to focus on their climb to becoming one of the newest Super powers a move which is anticipated to cause much controversy with the US and its allies.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 01:21 AM
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This isn't a warning nor anything Ominous.

It's a friend being a friend and saying if you wont alter foreign policy we will alter it for you.

The message is loud and clear, your spending TRILLIONS fighting, no one needs you to anymore and we DO need you to be economically strong America.

Spend a Trillion propping up the economy America instead of keeping Military bases in 100 nations

please by all means... kick us out every one cut spending to 1/3 and reinvest it...



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 01:28 AM
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They just need us to stop killing stuff and start buying stuff again.

The world doesn't want America as a lone Military Superpower, but hardly anyone would want us to collapse either they depend on us consuming FAR more than need our nuclear umbrella.

We really have spent the last 18 years looking for a new enemy since the fall of the Soviet Union, it was a joke at first but now as global economic crisis looms because of us it's just not funny any more to them.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 01:28 AM
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double posted



[edit on 17-9-2009 by mopusvindictus]



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 01:30 AM
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This is good that Japan is trying to distance itself from the shadows of America. This superior nation should stop being a puppet of the Jewish Empire!


So another earthquake to punish the Japs, perhaps?


BTW, when are the Germans gonna grow some balls?



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 01:42 AM
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The 'war on terror' , and the 'spreading of democracy ' expressions used ostensibly by the bush government as la raison d'être for invasion are to be dropped by president obama . A whole set of new catch phrases are to be contrived and implemented as the just cause for further self same invasions .

Germany is holding their election later this month , but Merkel is likely to win again . So, probably no dropping the US for Russia surprises there , not just yet.

[edit on 17-9-2009 by Gun Totin Gerbil]



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 10:50 AM
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Has the new Japanese leader already been briefed on how his stance may under cut years of financial building blocks which serve to aid Japan in becoming one of the newest superpowers?

TSE’s Saito Warns Against ‘Excessive’ Regulation




Sept. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Japan’s newly elected government must not impose “excessive and irrational” financial regulation that will “kill the market,” said Atsushi Saito, president of the Tokyo Stock Exchange.

The exchange, which oversees the world’s second-largest stock market, will maintain close contact with the government of incoming Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama, Saito told Bloomberg Television yesterday in Hong Kong.


Irrationalas evidenced with the idea of stepping in and promising 'change', but at the end of the day is this actually going to happen? Seems this new change promised may go as far as President Obamas promise of it did.


“They have studied in depth already but the real business could be a bit different,” Saito said. “We hope the new government can be very flexible and very rational-minded.”


Sound familiar?

bloomberg.com...



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 02:14 PM
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Just recieved a post in my profile about this thread, was wondering if they had anything to add here?

Thankyou, if Japan decided to slip with the Us our Bases would be in a bad way if we did go to war with China Russia and their allies. Dont you think?

I am not advocating cowardess or fear, just saying would they be in a better position to side with us or them in aa WWIII scenario?

There has never been so many ships harbored, sitting idle and I have to wonder why. Cant find the link to it but will keep searching if one of our members dont come up with it first.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 02:31 PM
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This Prime minister is advocating some bold things. But, IMO, if he doesn't find a way to get Japan's economy going, he may not last to push through his agenda with the US.

And whatever steps he does take toward US, could get overturned by the next PM.


The Prime Minister must resign if the House of Representatives adopts a motion of no confidence or defeats a vote of confidence, unless the House of Representatives is dissolved within ten days.


en.wikipedia.org...

Nonetheless, this guy is saying some pretty interesting things.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 02:38 PM
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Yes and thankyou for your insights, I have to wonder if the good citizens of japan are also fed up with the same old same old and so voted him in much like we did Obama just to place trust in someone, anyone who can walk their talk and pull us intot he future we so madly want for our planet and its sentient beings.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 02:45 PM
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www.google.com...

Obama to meet new Japanese PM Wednesday




WASHINGTON — US President Barack Obama will meet with new Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama on Wednesday on the sidelines of the UN general assembly, the White House said Friday.

"On Wednesday the 23rd, the president will meet with Japanese Prime Minister Hatoyama for the first time," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said.

Hatoyama was sworn in as prime minister Wednesday, two weeks after his center-left Democratic Party of Japan (DPJ) won the country's elections by a landslide.

The DPJ's victory ended more than half a century of almost unbroken rule by the conservative Liberal Democratic Party (LDP), and party leaders have already signaled they wants a "more equal" relationship with the United States.

The new coalition government sworn in Wednesday is seeking to strike a balance between the demands of some of its own left-leaning and pacifist members, and the desire to maintain the traditionally strong US alliance.

The DPJ, which in opposition criticized Japan supporting "American wars," has also said it would not renew a naval refueling mission that supports US-led operations in Afghanistan when it expires in January.


This is one meeting we need to keep a close eye on, it is curious that they meet only days after the new PM was sworn in after his landslide win again only days ago.

There are remarkable similarities between the two in that the people have voted and voted for change but will the new Japaneses Pm be able to successfully deliver? And at what cost to the relations between the US and Japan? IMO it was a bit premature for the two to meet, it is going to be a piviotal moment for Yukio Hatoyama to show his strenght and to convince the Japanese people of his intent and ability in the world arena.



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 02:52 PM
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The NWO rears its ugly head in Japan at a time when the people seek to find solutions to old standing problems and outdated policy, however in this article it seems if you take out the word Japan and replace it with US, and remove the PM and replace it with Obama, you will see the same NWO rhetoric happening there as here.

I just hope that we dont become the excuse of their failures if the PM goes into stale negotiations with President Obama that can be later blamed on US failures against the people of Japan and their economic recovery process.

If they do not allow the refueling of our ships what then? What will Obama promise to make sure those lines remain open and then let the Japanese down just as he has his own?



posted on Sep, 18 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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Oops heres the link:


Yukio Hatoyama and the Democratic Party of Japan won a landslide election victory against the long-ruling Liberal Democrats by pledging to cut waste, reduce the influence of bureaucrats in making government policy and increasing consumer spending. As Hatoyama names his Cabinet and becomes prime minister, he must move quickly to implement those broad goals with specific actions, political observers in Japan said. "The DPJ has got to come up with an agreed list of priorities quickly, because its manifesto is just a laundry list," said Koichi Nakano, a professor at Sophia University in Tokyo. "... And it better not just be how they will govern differently, but actual policies." Reuters (15 Sep.) Asahi Shimbun (Japan) (16 Sep.)



www.smartbrief.com...



posted on Sep, 19 2009 @ 10:15 AM
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Well the 21st will soon be here any ideas as to what Obama will be discussing with the new PM of Japan?



posted on Sep, 19 2009 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by antar
Well the 21st will soon be here any ideas as to what Obama will be discussing with the new PM of Japan?


Probably discussing why every Japanese PM that has defied the US has met with an untimely death.

Prime Ministers Tanaka, Take#a, Ohira and Obuchi.



posted on Sep, 19 2009 @ 01:30 PM
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The new Japanese Prime Minster also does not want Dollars and would rather the US Treasury pay them in Yen to purchase American debt. The LDP economic policy will include diversifying their reserves into Euro's and other currencies - limiting her Dollar holdings.

Pretty extreme.



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