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Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by spacebot
This is something I was talking about with someone at work only yesterday.
The "terrorizing" aspect of it is all in YOUR head.
These beings didn't do anything bad to this man.
Yet he was afraid.
Fear of the unknown.
Can you IMAGINE encountering even the typical grey alien in person RIGHT NOW?
I mean literally seeing one in front of your face, this instant.
You would be scared crapless.
Good thing for we humans is that we seem to have an internal mechanism that buffers this trauma from our memory.
Ever been in a bad carwreck? If so, can you remember the wreck, or are you blank from about 1 second before?
Most people don't remember the traumatic experience. There is a good possibility that abductions happen and the "alien" doesn't have to do ANYTHING to wipe someone's memory of it. It just happens naturally.
Originally posted by Lois
Originally posted by McGinty
I wonder how aliens choose which place to visit and abduct from (if indeed they do)?
A possible reason could be that they choose the destination based on observations made from their home planet, before disembarking.
If this is correct, then perhaps, taking into account the speed of light, their observations were of the Earth when the Roman Empire ruled, hence their decision to land in Italy.
The Roman Empire is debated to have ended circa 500AD, so we're looking for a system/galaxy that's approx. at least 1500 light-years away.
We can't know how fast their ship travels (but one assumes it's faster than light, probably employing custom made wormholes), but we do know how fast light travels, so any distant observations they may have made of our planet are confined by that speed.
EDITED FOR GRAMMAR AND LOGIC (I REALLY MUST PREVIEW MY POSTS)
[edit on 17-9-2009 by McGinty]
Perhaps earth may have been some aliens home planet and they left when they saw a global disaster coming, found another habital planet, then have been returning..only to find the human species have arrived on 'their' planet.
Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by McGinty
If they employ wormholes then the idea of calculating a time from whence they came goes out the window.
As their travel becomes instantaneous.... Unless they are traveling through a network of connected wormholes (See the movie Contact).
But even still, at that point, you can't calculate the amount of time needed to travel from point to point, as the bridges are literally instantaneous. At least insofar as I understand it.
Easier to just stick with SOL travel.
In an attempt to end any further disturbing discussions of the incidents, the Institute Val Bisagno asked Dr. Giorgio Gianniotti,
a prominent neurologist at San Martino Hospital in Genoa, to examine Zanfretta. "The man is in a state of shock", Dr. Gianniotti
diagnosed, "but he is perfectly sane".
The guard was on duty, this time on a motorcycle, in the residential area of Quarto in Genoa and not in the hills nearby Torriglia. But he disappeared again as before and some other guards found him after two hours on the top of Mount Fasce, also near Genoa. There is only one road up to that hill and it was patrolled by security guards working for the same company as Zanfretta. They said that Zanfretta had not been seen on that small road. But there he was at the top of the hill. How did he get up there? The only way to find out more was trough hypnosis. But this time Zanfretta was taken to the International Center of Medical and Psychological Hypnosis in Milan where, on his own request, he was injected with a truth serum by Prof. Marco Marchesan. Zanfretta confirmed everything he has said before and he explained that the last time "he was lifted from the ground into to the alien spaceship by a mysterious green light". Professor Marchesan declared: "No human being can knowingly lie while he is under Pentothal treatment, so I think it's very probable Zanfretta had these encounters". But Zanfretta's adventure was not an end, yet. Perhaps the most exciting of his strange encounters occurred a few months later. At 10:30 PM on Sunday, December 2nd, 1979 Zanfretta disappeared for the fourth time while driving an Austin Mini in the suburbs of Genoa. While looking for him, four patrol guards clearly saw a very large UFO in the sky. It was over the hills above Genoa. Suddenly from out of a large cloud above the guards, two lights came on and shown down directly on the four men. The engines of their cars stopped dead and they got out of their vehicles, terrified. Only one of them, Lt. Cassiba, reacted and fired his gun at the UFO. The lights turned off and the cloud moved away. One of those guards was so shocked that he never completely recovered his mental stability. A few months later he killed himself with a bullet in the head. His name was Germano Zanardi, so the Zanfretta case has also a victim.
In yet another hypnotic regression, made on Monday December 3, induced by Dr. Moretti, Zanfretta said many interesting things. This account begins around 9:30 PM. The guard was in a self-service gasoline station on a highway near downtown Genoa. Zanfretta heard someone calling him from a shadow and he walked towards the voice. He said that he was helpless to resist that voice. And when the owner of that voice ordered him to drive into a small cloud, he obeyed. Then, and this is the most incredible part, he was whisked off in the cloud to a large spaceship. Zanfretta described the man who gave him the orders as being a bit taller than himself, with a bald egg-shaped head and dressed in a checkered suit that included something made of steel in place of a shirt. Walking around with the giant aliens in that huge craft, the guard said he saw transparent cylinders filled with a strange blue liquid. One contained a frog-shaped body that the aliens called "an enemy of ours from another planet". In two more were preserved a big bird and another human looking body that Zanfretta described as looking like a caveman.
Originally posted by Thinking Ape
I highly doubt he actually had been abducted. He might have suffered a really intense nightmare. One so lucid he's actually convinced himself that it's real. Hallucinations are all too probable as well. I've actually had a nightmarish hallucination myself once. Well, more than once.
Anyway, there was a time I could have sworn on anything I saw a hairy anthropomorphic creature outside my window one night. It did have glowing red eyes and just stood by some trees for a second before disappearing. A pretty cliche' scenario no doubt and for a good reason. My young child brain was at that point exposed to many horror movies, which effectively created a state of acknowledgment towards the existence of "monsters". It was until I convinced myself that demonic entities and monsters are only fantasy that my hallucinations plagued me. After that I never experienced another hallucination and it has been fourteen years thus far.
In conclusion, the poor guy might have just been the delusional type, as we all know that type of people do exist in great quantities.
Originally posted by ImShrike
Pier Fortunato Zanfretta’s is one of the best documented abduction cases ever recorded in Italy.
Zanfretta was born in 1952 in Nova Milanese and worked as private guard: between 1978 an 1981 he had close encounters with alien being 11 times.
The night between 6 and 7 december 1978 he was found on the ground in state of shock near Marzano di Torriglia (Genoa).
Let me present you this case with the words of Rino di Stefano, an Italian journalist who followed the case in first person and wrote a lot of articles and one book about it:
Hy , i'm Italian ......
i know very well Zanfretta case ...... it is one of the most interesting
case in Europe.
there was also many witnesses ......