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Capitalism = Racism (A Brief Exploration)

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posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 12:54 AM
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"money is the root of all evil" phrase, needs to be fleshed out all the way. money is not the root of all evil, it's a survival mechanism. the root of all evil is the craving for power. in some cases, this translates to the accumulation of power by whatever means necessary. as the moral foundation slips, the "by whatever means necessary" concept becomes more pronounced and less humane.




posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 02:25 AM
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This sort of inane failure of logic helps explain the madness engulfing our society, I suppose.

The freedom of every man to determine his own future and be responsible for his actions leads to racism?? And the moon is green cheese, you say? It would be more "fair" and there would be less racism if we took from those who earned it, devalued their effort and struggle, and gave to those we didn't earn it. Riiight. Sorry. That's what is being attempted right now, and, if it continues as it is, Im afraid its going to lead not just to increased racism, but outright genocide. The more you steal from those who earn, the more they will hate those who receive the ill-gotten gains, and as they see that those who receive what is taken from them come to have more than they who have earned it, they will be tempted to destroy those who have stolen from them, albeit by proxy.
If you come to my house and say you're taking what little I have because there is a minority (a minority that COUNTS, btw, not like say, a native american,) needs it more, you better believe that the only thing you leave with is personal injury. If you want it, earn it, and if you aren't willing to earn it, go find a hole to bury yourself in. I'll help a man in need, as I am capable of giving, but I will not be robbed for the greater good. What sort of madman would?

I'd like to give the OP some advice on finding sanity and the real world, but I can't find a foothold in that cliff of corrupt logic twists and ignorance of reality. What is even more tragic is that the OP shows that he has some intelligence, just no grasp of the real, sane world.

How can anyone hope to cure such madness?



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 05:07 AM
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posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 05:12 AM
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In a sense, we really are all murderers, aren't we?



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 05:31 AM
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I must have missed your pictures of the older signs saying "No Irish allowed", No Orientals allowed", The shots of your presidents pastor spewing hate towards whites, the shots of the media calling tea party people tea baggers. let alone the hundreds of pictures of blacks attacking white people.
So let me guess, only white folk can be racist?
You are not a American in my opinion, just another person with a agenda to try to make someone who was not even born guilty of something they were not there for. Personally I am sick and tired of people like you trying to tear this country apart instead of trying to make it better. I do not see where you made any connection between the two, just where you pointed out things that happened years ago.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 05:47 AM
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Originally posted by saturnine_sweet
This sort of inane failure of logic helps explain the madness engulfing our society, I suppose.

The freedom of every man to determine his own future and be responsible for his actions leads to racism?? And the moon is green cheese, you say? It would be more "fair" and there would be less racism if we took from those who earned it, devalued their effort and struggle, and gave to those we didn't earn it. Riiight. Sorry. That's what is being attempted right now, and, if it continues as it is, Im afraid its going to lead not just to increased racism, but outright genocide. The more you steal from those who earn, the more they will hate those who receive the ill-gotten gains, and as they see that those who receive what is taken from them come to have more than they who have earned it, they will be tempted to destroy those who have stolen from them, albeit by proxy.
If you come to my house and say you're taking what little I have because there is a minority (a minority that COUNTS, btw, not like say, a native american,) needs it more, you better believe that the only thing you leave with is personal injury. If you want it, earn it, and if you aren't willing to earn it, go find a hole to bury yourself in. I'll help a man in need, as I am capable of giving, but I will not be robbed for the greater good. What sort of madman would?

I'd like to give the OP some advice on finding sanity and the real world, but I can't find a foothold in that cliff of corrupt logic twists and ignorance of reality. What is even more tragic is that the OP shows that he has some intelligence, just no grasp of the real, sane world.


How can anyone hope to cure such madness?


I agree with this sentiment entirely because it's true.
There is always a socialistic bent attached to attacks on capitalism.

yes, some people are greedy. That doesn't mean everyone's greedy and a free market economy is always a better model than pretty much anything else that's been put forward.

as for racial tensions, those exist everywhere that you have more than one ethnicity. It is hard wired in many of us to gravitate those who most closely resemeble ourselves.

If we don't look at this in a manner that includes our own physiology, and if we try to remedy these natural responses through forced behaviour alteration, then the madness of society will only go deeper.

we can all get along, we just seem to have trouble when we encroach on each others territory,.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 05:57 AM
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your understanding of capitalism is very seriously flawed.

a laissez faire system or capitalist system in its true form is possibly the best system there is.

What you are describing is not capitalism. It is called fascism or socialism or one of the other "isms" that induce slavery.

In a real capitalist system there is no coercion from other interests or entities, governments especially, etc. The system is built around preventing that, hence the reason it is a "free market", or capitalist, or laissez faire.

Of course, people think what they learn in schools is education, that's why they spew out some of this tripe, slap "free market" on it and everyone calls it free market enterprise, or capitalism. I remember that last year when bush called it a "free market" system then dumped a few hundred billion dollars into the market for people who know the secret handshake. Then there was the banning of short selling or other techniques, which of course is another product of a "free market" system, uh, i mean capitalism. The best part, you could short sell under permission from the SEC, but we know who has all the permissions. These are few and small instances, but you can go up to any american and ask him if we have a free market or capitalist system and he will say yes. I know, it does sound unbelievable.

Free market capitalism DOES NOT EXIST. It is redundant cause laissez-faire, or free enterprise, or capitalism are all synonyms. It's like saying you're an obese fat person.

Really, the title itself shows your ignorance on the subject matter. Since after all, racism cannot really affect a capitalist system since there is NOTHING stopping a black man from pulling himself off his own bootstraps and starting his own business, making it successful, and hiring only black employs. It's cause he cannot be coerced like everyone else. The system breeds competition and results in benefits for the consumers AND business owners.

If you think business owners are demons, then look up who paid for the campaign that destroyed all business in the USA during the post civil war industrial revolution. It will be shocking, but you're probably not a reader so its ok, stay ignorant. You wouldn't want to get in the way anyways...right?

Why is capitalism the only viable system? It is because the inherent chaos and order the system creates produces a natural balance the same way an in-line six engine doesn't need a balancer shaft. It doesnt produce too much order, which creates insane regulations that stifle business, etc., or produce chaos that fuel anarchy that robs men of labor, etc.

Don't beat yourself up though. Your tripe is what is to be expected from the garbage they feed people in those baby sitting centers, I mean schools. The same schools that teach that it is ok for black people to gather, but white people gathering is racist.

Now you may continue on in your backwards world where capitalism is slavery and socialism I'm sure is freedom/equality.

War Is Peace
Freedom is Slavery


ps. Really, i don't even know why I care, it's a character flaw that I am slowly rooting out. In time...

pss. you should read about nimrod



[edit on 17-9-2009 by injunfeller]



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 06:27 AM
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Your post is entirely incorrect and vehemantly anti-white and marxist in nature. You have made it out to seem that only whites can be racists.




The UN’s World Conference Against Racism (WCAR) held in Durban, South Africa, was itself the scene of intense racial hatred. The Conference was hijacked by radical Muslims who forced their hostility against Israel and the United States of America upon virtually every event. On numerous occasions the police had to intervene and form a protective ring around the Jewish delegates, who were being cursed, screamed at and threatened by extremely angry pro-Palestinian delegates. So intimidated were the Jewish delegates, that they soon removed all Jewish identifications and sought new name cards, which did not identify them as Jewish! Finally, the American and Israeli delegations felt forced to leave the Conference entirely. With such reckless verbal attacks against America at the Racism Conference, followed by such unprecedented multiple co-ordinated terrorist attacks upon America, it was apparent that extremists were using the UN’s Conference as a platform to prepare for the "armed propaganda" of targeting the USA. There seemed to be no shortage of racial antagonism and anger at the Racism Conference. "We don’t want South Africans in Australia!" declared two high profile Aboriginal delegates.1 Rev Jesse Jackson, who has been silent on the on-going slavery by Arabs in Sudan, was most vocal in condemning Europe and America’s involvement in the 17th century transatlantic slave trade. Jackson demanded that the present governments in Europe and America should publicly apologise for the policy of governments two centuries ago.2





The South African President, Thabo Mbeki, in his address to the conference, lifted up a good standard: "we are determined to ensure that nobody anywhere should be subjected to the insult and offence of being despised by another or others because of his or her race, colour, nationality or origin … every human being should enjoy rights as equals with other human beings … no culture or language or tradition of any people is inferior, deserving of being despised, mocked or destroyed, all peoples and all nations are mutually and each equally entitled to their identity and their national pride …" 9 Unfortunately, having advocated non-racialism, the ANC president then proceeded to berate whites! In his speech, Mbeki regularly referred to the victims of racism as "black and brown", and the villains guilty of racism as "white". Statements by other delegates exposed the pervasive perception that only whites could be racists, or even that "all whites are racists!" and that no black person could be guilty of racism! All of which seemed rather racist comments and self-contradictory.





Some delegates at the WCAR wore T-shirts supporting Zimbabwean dictator, Robert Mugabe. "Mugabe is Right!" declared one T-shirt showing an angry Mugabe with a raised, clenched fist. Yet as one South African delegate, Dene Smuts, pointed out, Mugabe is guilty of the most vicious racism against whites and against Jews. With Mugabe’s disastrous policy of state-sponsored anarchy, with the stealing and looting of farms and businesses, murder of farmers and opposition members, terrorising of Supreme Court justices, bombing of opposition newspaper offices, imprisoning of critics and reckless promotion of racial hatred against whites and Jews – it remains a mystery as to why Zimbabwe was not on the Racism Conference’s agenda. 10





EVOLUTION – A ROOT OF RACISM Similarly, those delegates who would describe themselves as atheists, had no objective basis with which to oppose racism. Those who hold to Darwin’s theory of evolution would also have no objective basis with which to counter racism. In fact, Darwinian evolutionism has inspired a whole host of racist ideologies and movements including Nazism, Communism and apartheid. The actual title of Darwin’s famous evolutionary book is: "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life." Adolf Hitler often referred to Darwin’s theories to justify his struggle (Mein Kampf) for "survival of the fittest." Karl Marx wanted to dedicate "Das Kapital" to Charles Darwin and wrote: "Darwin’s book is very important and serves me as a basis in the natural sciences for the historical class struggle." 15 "Violence is the Midwife …" 16 As Stalin so succinctly put it: "Evolution leads to revolution." 17 Darwin’s theory that some races were more evolved than others was also used by the Nationalist advocates of apartheid to justify racial discrimination in South Africa.





Slavery long predated Christianity and many of the early Christians were slaves in the Roman Empire. Without exception, the pre-Christian world accepted slavery as normal and desirable. Aristotle claimed: "From the hour of their birth, some are marked out for subjection, others for rule". The great civilizations of Mesopotamia, Babylon, Egypt, Greece, Rome and those throughout Africa were all built upon slave labour. People became slaves by being an insolvent debtor, or sold into slavery by their parents, or by being born to slave parents, or by being captured in war or through kidnapping by slave raiders and pirates. Slave dealing was an accepted way of life, fully established in all societies.20 Most of these slaves were white people, or Europeans. St Patrick, the English missionary to the Irish, who was once a slave himself, was the first person to go down in history speaking out unequivocally against slavery. He wrote "But it is the women kept in slavery who suffer the most." After the English king Conchobor refused to release the slaves, Patrick attacked him in a scathing letter. No voice as strong as his was heard again until the seventeenth century.20 The Greeks, from whom we derive so many modern, humanistic ideas, were utterly dependent on slavery. Even Plato’s Republic was firmly based upon slave labour. Plato said that 50 or more slaves represented the possessions of a wealthy man. Under Roman Law, when a slave owner was found murdered, all his slaves were to be executed. In one case, when a certain Pedanius Secundas was murdered, all 400 of his slaves were killed. 21


to be continued



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 06:41 AM
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also your anti-christian sentiments are a grose perversion of the truth, as it was infact the concept of survival of the fittest that justified slavery of the africans, plus the Europeans never enslaved them, they bought them from African slavers.



Before the coming of Christ, the heathen nations despised honest work and consigned it to slaves. When Christ was born, half of the population of the Roman Empire was slaves. Three-fourths of the population of Athens were slaves. But Jesus revolutionised labour. By taking up the axe, the saw, the hammer and the plane, our Lord imbued labour with a new dignity. Christianity undercut slavery by giving dignity to work. By reforming work Christianity transformed the entire social order. Our Lord Jesus Christ began His ministry in Nazareth with these words: "The Spirit of the Lord is on Me … to proclaim freedom for the prisoners … and release to the oppressed." Luke 4:18 When the Apostle Paul wrote to Philemon concerning his escaped slave, he urged him to welcome back Onesimus "no longer as a slave, but … as a dear brother … as a man and as a brother in the Lord." Philemon 16 Because of these and other Scriptural commands to love our neighbour, to be a good Samaritan and do for others what you would want them to do for you, Christians like William Wilberforce, John Newton, William Carey, David Livingstone, Lord Shaftesbury and General Charles Gordon, worked tirelessly to end the slave trade, stop child labour and set the captives free.





Despite all this, the United Nations Racism Conference focused on demands for "the West" to "make reparation to Africa … for the historic crime of slavery." 22 Bishop Desmond Tutu reiterated the African bloc’s position that reparations for slavery and colonialism could be made through development assistance programmes, rather than just in cash.23 Fidel Castro condemned "the Arms Race" (which he personally seems to have contributed to) and "commercial advertising" demanding that the US should rather hand their money over to "African Americans, Native Americans and other victims of discrimination and scorn." 24






These demands by delegates at the Racism Conference for restitution for slavery have been very selective. If the 300 year European and North American involvement in the Atlantic slave trade was to be discussed, then why not the 1 400 year Arabic involvement in the slave trade in North Africa, Central Africa, East Africa, in the Indian Ocean and the Middle East? Or the involvement of the Yao people of Malawi or the Madagascans or so many others in the slave trade? More importantly, if the slave trade, which Europe outlawed by 1815, was to be discussed, then surely the on-going enslavement of Black Africans by Muslim Arabs in Sudan today – even with government approval – should have been a priority focus of the Racism Conference.
It seems most unreasonable to single out Great Britain for demands of reparations for that nation’s disgraceful involvement in the slave trade, 25 considering it was Great Britain who first pioneered the abolition of the slave trade from 1807. Then, from 1809, the British government mobilised its Navy to search suspected slave ships, even foreign vessels, on the high seas. In 1810, the British Parliament declared slave trading a felony, punishable by 14 years hard labour. In 1814, the British representative at the Congress of Vienna insisted on the abolition of the slave trade being included in the International Treaty. This treaty was signed by all the European powers on 9 June 1815. In 1824, Britain passed a Bill, making slave trading punishable by death. Finally, by an act of Parliament in 1833, the British abolished slavery itself, setting all slaves in British overseas territories free.

The abolition of slavery was one of the great turning points in history. And the long and vigorous crusade by the British Navy against the slave trade ranks as one of the most extraordinary and unselfish applications of national policy ever seen in the history of nations.

For anyone to demand of Great Britain a further apology, for its part in the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, betrays an ignorance of history. Britain’s involvement in the slave trade, from 1713 – 1807, was indeed disgraceful.
But, led by William Wilberforce, the British nation more than atoned for its guilt in this vile trade in human flesh, by not only setting free every slave in Britain in 1772, but by outlawing the slave trade in 1807, mobilising its own navy to suppress the slave trade in 1809, and setting free all slaves in any territory in which Britain had influence or control in 1833.

No other nation in history has done more than Great Britain in fighting and opposing the slave trade. The British spent vast millions of pounds in suppressing the slave trade and sacrificed much blood in fighting to set the captives free. The United States, for their part, engaged in a bloody civil war, in part to set free all slaves, with a cost of over 650,000 dead.


If racism and christianity was the reason for racism then why is it that Great Britain banned the slave trade, and enforced that law on the high seas ?




I would venture to say that this present claim for restitution is motivated, not by a sense of justice, but by pure greed. Biblically, restitution must be made by those guilty of the crime and paid directly to the victims. As both the villains and the victims of the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries’ slave trade are dead, the "restitution" being advocated by many at the Racism Conference amounted to a demand for restitution by those who didn’t do the crime, to those who weren’t the victims! If the Racism Conference was really serious about racism, it would have tackled the blatant racism of President Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe, affirmative action racial quotas in South Africa and the USA, and on-going State-sponsored slavery in Sudan.


*to be continued*



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 06:47 AM
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In all the talk at the WCAR about colonialism, slavery and genocide, nothing was said about the Egyptian colonialism and enslavement of Sudan, of the Ottoman Turkish Empire’s genocide of 1.5 million Christian Armenians in 1915, of the over 2 million deaths caused by Shaka Zulu’s Mfecane, of the Russian occupation of Eastern Europe and Afghanistan. Or Red China’s on-going occupation of Tibet and use of slave labour in factories. Strangely, compensation and restitution is not being required of Communist or Muslim governments – no matter how much greater their crimes. By only singling out West Europeans and Americans, the Racism Conference proved itself to be racist to the core. Interestingly enough, British and American Christians in the late 1700’s and early 1800’s did make restitution by investing generously in developing Sierra Leone and Liberia as free states where liberated slaves could settle. From 1787, William Wilberforce and his friends in the Clapham community, poured vast amounts of money into developing Sierra Leone as a free and independent state. For many years, Sierra Leone and Liberia functioned well as almost the only countries in Africa free from colonial control.28






The terrible irony is that the target of all this hatred and terrorism is the nation which has done more to help others than all other nations combined. No other nation has done as much as the USA to feed the starving, care for the sick, liberate nations in bondage and uplift standards of living. It is most unjust when the generous are rewarded with hatred and mass murder. Let us not allow wicked men to manipulate our emotions and distort our understanding of history. Let us be careful not to join the modern slave traders and racists in condemning those who try to be good Samaritans. "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness … who are wise in their own eyes … who acquit the guilty for a bribe, but deny justice to the innocent … for they have rejected the Law of the Lord Almighty…" Isaiah 5: 20 -24 Dr. Peter Hammond


Racism Slavery Terrorism


Racism as is used today by the International media, liberals and various rights groups is nothing but a tool of lazy, greedy, manipulative individuals who when using this tool can gain a wide range of benefits, as well as the full ostracisation of the individual accused of being racist. Always aimed at white people of European descent.





In Europe and North America, ethnocentrism has been increasingly suppressed since the Second World War because of its negative component towards other groups. This suppression of conflict has led to a cultural neurosis. One result of many has been paralysis to bar alien immigration from Europe and North America.
Only when survival seemed to be immediately threatened by the triple attacks of September 11, 2001, has there been the general will to make the immigration process more restrictive. The therapy is to make ethnocentrism conscious, and to recognize the survival value of its positive component-Ethnopreference. Retaining ethnopreference, we can respect our own ethnicity, and enjoy the spectacle of other ethnicities and their cultural expressions. This is the societal therapy for our time. Another word that is misused and politically abused is racism. Trotsky first used the word in French as racisme in 1922. "That was what Daniel Patrick Moynihan told me in June 1976, when he was US ambassador to the UNO," said. Dr. John.
"He had invited me to the Mission to discuss the war in Lebanon. But the first thing he told me was that he had just "telephoned the Oxford Dictionary" to ask the origin of "racism." He was told to wait while they fetched the person who looked after "R." That person said it was Trotsky who first used it as "racisme," Racism is misused and confused with Ethnocentrism." At the 1977 meeting of the British Association for the Advancement of Science, Sir Andrew Huxley, later PRS, drew a comparison between the violence of the nineteenth century debate occasioned by the Origin of Species, in which his grandfather had played so prominent a part, and the contemporary one on racial difference. He defined racism as the belief in or practice of subjugation of one race by another. Dr. John says, "Using a racial epithet is not racism. It is rudeness."


Race Conflict Resolved




"For the purposes of everyday life it was no doubt necessary, or sometimes necessary, to reflect before speaking, but a Party member called upon to make a political or ethical judgment should be able to spray forth the correct opinions as automatically as a machine gun spraying out bullets." ? George Orwell, 1984 No successful society shows a spontaneous tendency towards multiculturalism or multiracialism. Successful and enduring societies show a high degree of homogeneity. Those who support multiculturalism either do not know this or, what is more likely, realize that if they are to transform Western societies into strictly regulated, racial-feminist bureaucracies they must first undermine those societies. This transformation is as radical and revolutionary as the project to establish Communism in the Soviet Union. Just as every aspect of life had to be brought under political control in order for the commissars to impose their vision of society, the multiculturalists hope to control and dominate every aspect of our lives. Unlike the hard tyranny of the Soviets, theirs is a softer, gentler tyranny but one with which they hope to bind us as tightly as a prisoner in the Gulag. Today's "political correctness" is the direct descendent of Communist terror and brainwashing. Unlike the obviously alien implantation that was Communism, what makes multiculturalism particularly insidious and difficult to combat is that it usurps the moral and intellectual infrastructure of the West. Although it claims to champion the deepest held beliefs of the West, it is in fact a perversion and systematic undermining of the very idea of the West.


The rest of the excert can be found on this site
Multiculturalism and Marxism

Which shows how the term racism is used as a tool.

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posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 06:55 AM
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What exactly does "all peoples being free" mean? Capitalism is not about slavery, it is about profit. Those making 22 cents an hour are being paid a wage that in their country would amount to the US's minimum wage. Labor is the most expensive cost to any business.

So should all countries pay the same amount in wages globally? It won't and cannot happen because 3rd world countries do not have the same educational system, opportunities or the wherewithal to keep up with a first world country. Governments are corrupt and they will not concede their power to the people because for the most part the people wouldn't know what to do with it anyway.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 07:29 AM
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In one sentance somewhere in this port you say that "racism" came from capitalism of the new world. This is simply NOT true! Racism was in the world way before that....... Did you know that even before America was thought of that African men took boats over to Italy and they raped the woman in the villages? Nazi Germany was not a result of America having slaves, that was a rusult of their own racism.
You have basically blamed all these problems today for the 1 problem that happened here and you also blame all the prior problems on the same thing. This makes no sense to me.
You suggest that Capitalism is racist?????? And Communism isn't? In a Capitalist society people are not bogged down, they can live free. How is that racist?



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 07:30 AM
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The libral socialist media has gotten to you...... You need to learn more before you ASSume.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 08:18 AM
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What Forbes tells us is that there is this negative consciousness, this spiritual sickness called "The Wetiko Psychosis" that gets passed on from being to being. It's an inherited twisted perspective on life, and feeling about life.. The bestowers for the last 500 years of the Wetiko disease have come from the European culture, although he mentions that many cultures through out history have endulged in Wetiko behavior, from Egypt, to Rome, to Russia, China. He's also mentioned that the once oppressed may carry on this mentality, this lunacy to a higher degree sometimes then the original oppressors/ colonizers.




"Brutality knows no boundaries. Greed knows no limits. Perversion knows no borders These characteristics all push towards an extreme, always moving forward once the initial infection sets in.This is the disease of the consuming of other creatures' lives and possessions. I call it cannibalism."


Amazon.com: Columbus and Other Cannibals (9781583227817): Jack D. Forbes: Books


The managers of Gulag's islands tell us that the swimmers, crawlers, walkers and fliers spent their lives working in order to eat.

These managers are broadcasting their news too soon. The varied beings haven't all been exterminated yet. You, reader, have only to mingle with them, or just watch them from a distance, to see that their waking lives are filled with dances, games and feasts. Even the hunt, the stalking and feigning and leaping, is not what we call Work, but what we call Fun. The only beings who work are the inmates of Gulag's islands, the zeks.

Against History, Against Leviathan!--Fredy Perlman



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by saturnine_sweet
This sort of inane failure of logic helps explain the madness engulfing our society, I suppose.

The freedom of every man to determine his own future and be responsible for his actions leads to racism?? And the moon is green cheese, you say? It would be more "fair" and there would be less racism if we took from those who earned it, devalued their effort and struggle, and gave to those we didn't earn it. Riiight. Sorry. That's what is being attempted right now, and, if it continues as it is, Im afraid its going to lead not just to increased racism, but outright genocide. The more you steal from those who earn, the more they will hate those who receive the ill-gotten gains, and as they see that those who receive what is taken from them come to have more than they who have earned it, they will be tempted to destroy those who have stolen from them, albeit by proxy.
If you come to my house and say you're taking what little I have because there is a minority (a minority that COUNTS, btw, not like say, a native american,) needs it more, you better believe that the only thing you leave with is personal injury. If you want it, earn it, and if you aren't willing to earn it, go find a hole to bury yourself in. I'll help a man in need, as I am capable of giving, but I will not be robbed for the greater good. What sort of madman would?

I'd like to give the OP some advice on finding sanity and the real world, but I can't find a foothold in that cliff of corrupt logic twists and ignorance of reality. What is even more tragic is that the OP shows that he has some intelligence, just no grasp of the real, sane world.

How can anyone hope to cure such madness?


I appreciate you sharing your opinion. It's unfortunate that you can sense such tragedy in other's but can fail to see the lie you have been sold. The Op isn't about robbing you to make everyone happy, nor is it about the destruction of the make believe 'free market' system we supposedly live in. It's about Racism, it's origins and how it is connected to the exploitation of human beings in the name of profit.

I'm more than likely wasting my words, but would you rather be robbed, or be a murderer. The 'capitalist' system we HAD when slavery was endorsed is really no more. It's as applicable today as game hunting for woolly mammoths.

Profit and greed, I.E. capitalism drove men to enslave our fellow human beings, all through history, to turn a lousy profit.

Find a twelve year old forced prostitute and ask her how freakin' 'free' HER market is. Ask her how she's going to 'succeed' in this fairy tale of world you're living in and then come back and tell me how ignorant the notion is that slavery and exploitation are tied to profit.



and as they see that those who receive what is taken from them come to have more than they who have earned it, they will be tempted to destroy those who have stolen from them,


You sound like a wonderful capitalist puppet. Good job.

Good luck with finding you OWN reality, and your OWN advice. I don't think the OP wants any of yours.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by Victoria 1
You suggest that Capitalism is racist?????? And Communism isn't? In a Capitalist society people are not bogged down, they can live free. How is that racist?


That is your addition to my Op. I do not claim that any financial system is any less likely to be corrupted and used against humankind. We all know that all currently used systems are flawed and have the potential for great misuse.

I do not advocate communism, nor do I advocate socialism (though portions of current American system ARE socialist.)

The only ones 'bogged down' in the 'capitalist' system, which doesn't even exist today, are the slaves. How does earning 22 cents an hour so that a fat American can make thirty thousand dollars a minute keep YOU from being 'bogged down?'

One big problem is that Americans think they are alone in this world. As long as Joe can have his hummer, or his hybrid, the world must be a great place. Well it's not. We live in a bubble of make believe crap that is maintained through the exploitation of other people.

5000 Illegal sweatshops in L.A. alone? Are the ladies and kids that work there 'bogged down?' Wake up.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
I don't think Capitalism = Racism for one simple reason...

...the Capitalists who are looking for the cheapest labor don't care what color that labor is, or what country that labor comes from/lives in. All they want is the cheapest labor.

If that cheapest labor happened to come from white Americans, then those white Americans would be the ones being exploited


You really discredit your own point with your remark. But I DO appreciate you sharing your input, really.

They DON'T care, or more accurately didn't. Capitalism isn't the true model for ninety nine percent of America any more.

The same economic system is being used to exploit many different ethnicities even today. Had the shoe been on the other foot, so to speak, in the late 1600's then white people, here in America, would still be struggling with the same issues that black people are.

It is not true that ALL black people openly victims of racism. The connection is that BECAUSE of our capitalist efforts in the 17th century, when we actually HAD a capitalist system, black people were dehumanized and there is still a lot of that ill feeling. They were exploited for profit, and some people just haven't woken up to the reality that a human is a human regardless of skin tone.

Some white people think that black people are sub human and that they are stealing from the white people who actually EARNED it. Take a Hispanic, coming to America for work, a different scenario, but similar outcomes. He faces anger from a certain segment of the population because he is 'stealing American jobs.' The man is trying to feed his family, or live in something besides a cardboard box.

Americans think the world belongs to them. Everyone should bow down and grease the American money machine.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 09:06 AM
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So should all countries pay the same amount in wages globally? It won't and cannot happen because 3rd world countries do not have the same educational system, opportunities or the wherewithal to keep up with a first world country. Governments are corrupt and they will not concede their power to the people because for the most part the people wouldn't know what to do with it anyway.



You know, I know it's not going to be popular, but yes. There should be an equal standard of living everywhere.

We don't have a system that will allow that, but how are a Ugandan's children any less important than yours?

You make an awesome point that the educational systems are not the same throughout countries. I'm sure this is a huge contributing factor to one people being exploited over another. But shouldn't we be caring about the plight of our brothers and sisters?

We're all made out of the same stuff. Four dollars worth of metals and some more chemicals...we're not so different. As long as Americans continue to rape the earth and not care about sharing their 'hard earned' anything, with anyone else, there is going to be trouble.

If a girl in Paraguay works her butt off all day, harder than you, why should she not make more than you...not in HER 'dollars' but in yours?

Until we can figure out how to level the playing for anyone on this planet, we are going to continue spinning around on our way out the bottom of the crapper.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by Victoria 1
The libral socialist media has gotten to you...... You need to learn more before you ASSume.


I would defend to my death your right to say anything you like. But come on...at least make it worth me dying for.

Who are you talking to? What is the ASSumption you speak of? Anything in specific, or let me guess, the whole thing was some sort of whacked out liberal media induced rhetoric.

I am from as deep south as it gets. I grew up listening to racism, participating in racism. I know more slang terms for various ethnicities than any human being should know. I even know them in Spanish.

I have nothing against you personally, as I really don't know you, but it would be a lot easier to understand your point of view, if you would clarify the points of your contention just a little.

Oh, and do you mean THIS 'liberal socialist media?'

RUSH: 'We Need Segregated Buses'.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 09:16 AM
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I appreciate your linking to those texts pai mei. It would seem I have some more reading to do.

I'm left not knowing exactly what it is you were trying to say, but I think I understand. Thank you for your contribution.



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