Jimmy Carter vitriol against President Barack Obama's health reforms is

Make no mistake, we will have nationalized health insurance.

Can't have a world government if we're not all marching to the same tune.

Who will oversee it all?

WHO will oversee it all.

It'll be their tune, and we'll all be dancing.

reply to post by buddhasystem


People who can't take care of themselves, are in that position for a variety of reasons.

P'raps that is how they grew up. I have in-laws in that category in Indiana.
P'raps they never learned how. Wouldn't it be better to teach (without that tired old saw) someone to be independant, than suffer them kindly for the rest of their lives?

As for culling, well. . . since I brought up my in-laws. . . .

reply to post by mikerussellus


Are you sure you are talking about the US? because my friend this is not how things are run in this nation you know.

And as for Wal-mart they are a monopoly they already have killed competition on top of that they have help to the demise of the America work force with their take over of markets with their Chinese crap, how can that help the economy and help the American worker when rather than growing as a nation we are becoming a stagnant nation when it comes to the growth of standards of living.

I don't not about you but are you sure you are talking about America? you know the once up a time and Chinamart nation of dreams and capitalism.

reply to post by orderedchaos


No, it will not be a nationalized health care when only private insurance are the ones to run business and is mandatory to own one of their insurance packages, that is not nationalized health
care that is privatization of health care by mandate.

reply to post by orderedchaos


I'd have to disagree here as well. Where the rest of the world is concerned, maybe. But americans are just too dang'd independant to ever fall for something like that.

I have to believe that. Or else, just use the constitution as toilet paper, and flush the whole darn thing away.

reply to post by marg6043


At worst, you could call me a hopeless idealist. A crazy dreamer that wants freedom, and oppourtunity for all. Yes, *sigh* I still have those beliefs, and I raise my kids with those same beliefs.

Free market capitalism works. If there is no government involvement. We just have to find a way (short of an asteroid hitting DC) to make sure they stay out of our bid'ness.

Wow... thanks for all the reply’s...

First I would just like to say that i do not think anyone who disagrees with President Obama is racist... But I do question the people who went on the offensive before giving the bloke a chance.

However, after reading you posts I am starting to get a better picture of the health care issue.

Thanks mikerussellus for breaking it down and simplifying it for me.

Being racist may play a part in the views of people on Obama. I happen to think that Bush did so many bad things, that toward the end of Bushes Presidency, the people started paying more attention, and now that the "new guy" is in, people are still paying attention and they don’t like what they are seeing.

Thumb you made an interesting point there which I hadn’t considered... thanks



I also think that America does have serious issues with its health care that need to be addressed, with regards to the poor and vulnerable. Does the President have the magic bullet?!?! After reading the reply’s so far... probably not.

My personal opinion is that Race will always be an issue... But on both sides of the fence...

Some white people think he will fail and should not be president because of his colour... and some black people act like he is the messiah who will solve all the world’s problems because of his colour. Both of these viewpoints are wrong and racist in my opinion.

One thing for sure... i wouldn’t want to be in his shoes

reply to post by mikerussellus


As patriotic as warrenb, and as American as you, Mike, I assure you, I'm not endorcing the Constitution being flushed. If it is ever used as toilet paper and flushed, it won't be by me, but someone in high office.

Bush, our last president, decreed the constitution was 'just a piece of paper'.
In my opinion, our current president isn't upholding it in any better form.

Eventually, they're gonna stop whittling away at it and do away with it entirely, and I'm confident this HC is another blow at it.

reply to post by orderedchaos


I can't disagree with you. But this is an issue that will only take me down, fighting.

Originally posted by mikerussellus
reply to post by jtma508

 

The issue of race has originated with the left. Not the right. It's only race-based because someone claimed it was. When the left stops accusing and the right stops responding . . .

And we can actually talk about the issues again, only then can we quit this silly diatribe about race.

I strongly disagree Mike. There are people in this country --- unfortunately LOTS of them --- who were and are outraged that a 'black man' has been elected President. Look at some of the rantings of these extreme right-wing groups and religious people. They are unmitigated bigots. I have alot of family that live in the deep south and they were sincerely worried based upon what they were hearing during the election and inauguration. And the right-wingers behind all the recent unrest are fanning this wherever and however they can. It's in their best interests to divide and polarize the country and it is working.

reply to post by jtma508


There will ALWAYS be people who hate based on race. Once you accept that, and can move on, then they can be marginalized.

By allowing them voice, (MSM) only fans the flames. It is the responsibility of everyone else to stay on topic and to stop focusing on the few who do hate.

Listen to them, learn from them, remember them, but when it comes time for the grown-ups to sit at the big table, let them stay outside.

Reacting to them only gives them a larger voice.

reply to post by mikerussellus


Yes of course. But the point is, there are factions at work in this country that USE that bigotry to further their agenda. They are the ones that GIVE that bigotry a larger voice and provide rationalizations in which that bigotry can be wrapped. For example, in pre-WWII Germany there was a movement against the Jews (amongst others). But they didn't simply focus on people's heritage but rather wrapped their actions with the 'fact' that the Jews were controlling banking and commerce and were unfair in those regards. That they would oinly hire other Jews, etc. They found ways to make their agenda more universally palatable by demonizing Jews.

reply to post by Thumb


Race has nothing to do with it and the sooner people stop falling for the race card the better in my opinion.

I am a brit also adn have been taking and intrest in what is going on in the state the last few months because of the financial crisis etc.

I think the reason why people are giving him a hard time is because he talks the talk but does not walk the walk. Almost does the opposite of everything he said he was going to do so far.

He said he would provide transparency and instead offered more secrecy.
He said hed bring there troops home and hasn't

The list goes on...

YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!

I am sick and tired and disgusted and worst of all ANGRY

We were robbed and suckered and lied to for 8 years under Bush, the entire world called us STUPID, while we lost our freedoms, lost our money had our constitution shredded and did nothing.

Now they have a put perfect impediment in front of us to fighting back a perfect stooge to slip us ever deeper into a Socialist/Fascist system...

Scream "Race" at every real American that wants to fight back, put a Black guy into power use that MSM and every time he takes us another inch in the direction of loosing America, yell RACE... divide and conquer, use the American people against each other raise not a specter of the military fighting back... but raise the threat of a Race War if we do anything about it...

BRILLIANT

But most of us aren't fooled...

And your premise is WRONG

The only race involved is we hope we don't end up head to head with our Black friends because many are so proud that the president is Black they fail to see what is really happening.

And that is the CRUELEST part of what they have done to us here, what they have done to Black Americans putting them in a position of their President being the final piece of selling us all off America and what our country represents.

And in the end, our Black Patriots may well be the reason they fail because when it dawns on them how they have been played they are going to very, very angry and god help those that are responsible in the long run.

Because As much as the msm wants to paint us, we are not Black or White a Country of Racists, we are not ignorant and we are not all fooled by any means...

My hope

Is that it is good brothers and sisters that finally after a few years of seeing nothing get better, raise the storm and make fools of those that once again have set them up for a fall.

The real racists are those that think Black Americans are stupid and will fall for this forever. I know they are not and Tptb will have quite a different result in time than they expect for betraying them.


UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL

They will Fail to separate us under the guise of race.






[edit on 16-9-2009 by mopusvindictus]

The concept that the distaste of Obama is due to racism is essentially the most ignorant accusation in the history of the world. 100% ignorant, meaning you couldn't make something up with less evidence if you tried your hardest. You may as well claim the only reason Republicans hate Obama's socialism, communism, and fascism is because they were given mind-control shots by Rockefeller or some such made-up thing like that and you'd honestly be just as credible.

Do Republicans ever mention race? Almost never. Democrats mentioning race all day long and non-stop. Clearly if anyone is the racists it must be the people who mention the color of someone's skin all day long... the Democrats. How many Republicans do you see on "BLACK entertainment television", a show devoted exclusively for black democrats. Its pretty much a racist thing to mention the color of a person's skin when nobody has brought it up or would have cared, and the only people doing such a thing are Democrats when they bring up the fact that Obama is black all day long looking for sympathy for the socialism, communism, and fascism.

If you learn one thing about America please learn first of all that the race card was well worn out about ten years ago during the OJ Simpson trial. Less than 10% of the Republican party is racist and the number is no doubt equal in percentage to blacks who are racist against whites. So please learn secondly that in America we value freedom far more than in other countries while Obama does not value freedom at all. 100% of Obama's policies and initiatives rob us of our freedom. He taught a class on the US constitution and then voted for the patriot act. Proof positive he couldn't care less about freedom!

reply to post by Muckster

Even President Bush had to go to war before being open to anywhere near this level of criticism and personal attack.

I think many of us were woken up during Bush and were not about to fall back asleep.

I and several other farmers were watching Obama very carefully because of the World Trade Organization Agreement on Ag. You may have noticed that EU and England's independent farmers are in deep trouble because the farmers are knee deep in red tape instead of compost. Bush signed an agreement to "harmonize" US laws with those of the EU. EU farmers warned us not to let it happen.

The EU chair lady bluntly stated the EU plans to oust a million Polish farmers from their land. Another EU member proudly announced Portugal had already removed 60% of their farmers. After traditional farmers are regulated out of business, corporations move in buying land cheaply and instituting environmentally devastating monoculture farming. The EU has doubled the intake of herbicides, multiplied the use of fungicides by six times and increased the area sprayed with pesticides by almost a hundred per cent in the past two decades. All very profitable for the Ag chemical giants. Polish entry into the European Union www.i-sis.org.uk...


Following the thread of the Ag Cartel take over of the World food supply eventually leads to the Central banks, World Bank SAPs and the "evil" Federal Reserve. They are all intertangled so now US farmers are also aware of the problems with the Federal Reserve bank, Fiat Money, Fractional Banking..... Obama didn't get a chance for the "honey moon" TPTB thought he would. Heck farmers started jumping on Obama and Congress about the Anti farm bills as early as January! Lynn has been the most vocal, and I thank her.

reply to post by crimvelvet


An excellent point and one that is close to my heart...

The corporatization of our food supply is definitely an issue that worry’s me...

With regards to President Bush... once bitten twice shy I guess...




[edit on 16-9-2009 by Muckster]

@ The OP, some criticisms are rightfully justified, but you’d be a fool to believe everything in this country is peaches & cream, it isn’t. Remember, it was less then fifty years ago when blacks were denied the right to vote, experienced segregation, had their ‘rights’ violated and experienced police brutality in the form of high pressure hoses and attack dogs. Many in America still hold feelings of hostility and malice towards blacks, have a warped sense of blacks, don’t understand the plight of blacks, and think that after centuries of chattel slavery that blacks should simply “get over it” or “move on.”

Regardless of what the blind speakers and blind racists on ATS would lead you to believe, there exists a number of very deceitful and cunning individuals who despise the fact that their lily-white White House has a man of ‘color’ sitting in leadership. Personally, I don’t care for Obama, he is a pawn of the global elite and will do their bidding, so his actions mean nothing to me. However, to the people I reference, Obama is an abomination and their comfort zones have been turned upside down and put on the chopping block. These people will fight tooth and nail to prevent this, and it is only a matter of time before it escalates.