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Originally posted by MAJIC 12
reply to post by jritzmann
I'm understanding your viewpoint more clearly as I read between the toxic attitude;
using words like "revenge" and" disgrundled".
calm yourself pal, this is just clarification on your part, and information to me.
Originally posted by MAJIC 12
The sample was "Pure" magnesium.delassified memo from washington speculated it could have been part of a "hydro-magnetodynamic drive"(a electric catepillar submersible).
Meteorites are not "pure" anything.
Originally posted by MAJIC 12
The four Roswell liars exposed,were put foward first by Randle.(Have You read:" Witnesses to Roswell? By Schmitt?)"
Originally posted by MAJIC 12
reply to post by DragonriderGal
Good book to read is "Evidence that demands a verdict" by Josh McDowell
He has a list of Historians (non-biblical) who mention or speak in detail of the
"crucified Jesus whom his followers call Christ".etc
None of these historians were contemporary to the same time, but came years
later.
Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by Visiting ESB
Some jokers in Paul's day attemped to deliver a demonized man
"in the name of Jesus whom Paul preaches."
The demons cried out . . .
"Jesus I know and Paul I know--who . . . are you?"
and promptly set upon him and tore them to pieces or at least scared them quite severely, IIRC.
There does seem to need to be, at least in many, if not most cases
--either an authentic relationship with Jesus as Lord
--or at least a past such
--or at least a genuine yearning, openness for such.
Folks in covert or overt rebellion against Jesus' Lordship do not seem to be able to call upon His assistance for much of anything except perhaps assistance in confessing, repenting and believing in Him.
Also, your post seems to make it sound like there's an abundance (percentage-wise) of cases where the attempted application of the Name/Blood of Jesus did not alter an abduction or prevent it or stop it.
That is evidently not the case in terms of Guy Malone's research presented at
www.ANCIENTofDAYS.net...
Nor does it appear to be the case from his extensive research with ALL the famous researchers.
His evidence indicates it's a very small minority of the cases where Jesus' Name was not effective regarding abductions.
Another researcher affiliated with Guy recently reported on more than 300 cases. IIRC, only in a literal handful of the cases out of that 300+ cases did the Name of Jesus not prove to be powerful. And in each of those cases, there was a problem with their relationship with Jesus.
It seems to me your post also characterized, describes, depicts a rather strongly biased opinion, perspective against the facts in the evidence Guy and his associate have compiled.
That's not very impressive.
Originally posted by moocowman
Check out Lawrence Gardiners' ,"Lost Secret Of The sacred Ark" you may be intrigued, I'd lend you my copy but your a bit far away lol.
Originally posted by MAJIC 12
reply to post by DragonriderGal
Tacitus was not mythical or ficticious,nor was Josephus.You can deny they had lived and wrote but you are the one ignoring history.
Tacitus,Josephus,..there are others of historical significance that were involved,and others
with archeological evidence proving their existance;Herod the Great,Pontius Pilate,who interviewed Jesus of Nazereth..(I've been to the theater he had Herod build at Caesaria,Israel.(Long Live her State,and Flag.)
I know another scattered people of faith,who's history of persecution is also
in question.Many people today say they were never close to being exterminated by
ANY State,regime or Reich.That wasn't too long ago.
"Those Who Don't Learn From The Past Are Doomed To Repeat It."
Originally posted by qonone
I would say, imo, that it all pans down to your faith & relationship with The Supreme Father.
There are certain routines, passages etc that are usually followed where there is oppression of any kind involving evil entities, which is more than just saying Jesus. I do believe those whom have a strong relationship with The Father "beat" these aliens with faith alone, i mean aliens read minds.
If aliens & demons are the same thing, then for us who do believe in Christ know that many made a split when feeling His presence back in the day. We needn't worry about any evil or anything that ain't part of Him.
Originally posted by Visiting ESB
reply to Originally posted by BO XIAN
There are millions of abductions. 300 accounts supporting the Christian dogma isn't convincing. It may even be suspect: no one can know if these were fictional or true. We have to take their word for it.
Originally posted by Skeptical Ed
You mean millions of ALLEGED abductions since there is no evidence even for a single one. Someone saying they were abducted does not make it so. Anything supporting the "Christian dogma" (whatever THAT is) makes such reports even more meaningless. As you can tell I don't accept any reports of alien abductions until someone can provide irrefutable evidence and not hearsay.
If anyone here on ATS claims to have been abducted, you better have more than a nightmare to relate.
As I've said earlier in this thread, my intent is not to prove the fact of alien abductions, existence of UFOs, etc. That is not the scope of my effort. There are many threads on ATS addressing that issue, but this isn't one of them.
[edit on 18-9-2009 by Visiting ESB]
Originally posted by Skeptical Ed
Originally posted by moocowman
Check out Lawrence Gardiners' ,"Lost Secret Of The sacred Ark" you may be intrigued, I'd lend you my copy but your a bit far away lol.
Lawrence Gardner cannot be used as a historical reference since he doesn't write about history. He speculates: "Lost Secrets of the Sacred Ark" is Gardner's account of the famous Ark of the Covenant." No one knows anything about such an ark whether it was real or not or if it was real what happened to it. Many books and TV documentaries have been written and shown and none of them have any historical significance.