Abduction research -- The name "Jesus" -- If you have been abducted...

This is really interesting to me as I've had an "experience" with this myself.

I suffer from what I feel is sleep paralysis where something attacks my body, takes over my body and even sometimes all the fancy little space men and ships will be there as well..to me it is not a true event even though I've been told other wise i simply feel it is just simply mis fire of the brain(as i have some pretty bad nerve and other neuro issues so this event happens on a nightly basis for me, where as most people would only have an occurrence once or twice a year/month), being stuck between consciousness and sleep, BUT when this all started out I remember I was about 12 years old, I wasn't raised religious I knew of a "Jesus" but not much, I had one of my dreams where something was in my room and taking over me and doing things to me and in my head i said "in the name of the lord Jesus Christ I'm telling you to leave me alone!" and it stopped I woke up and so on.

Now I still do not think this was a true actual alien abduction or any kind of paranormal event for me what I think it was is a deeper psychological response of self preservation and protection as a child you see God being projected as a protector or savior even if you aren't raised going to church and so on so the mind connects this with a higher being who can help you in a time of need, that's what I felt that I did at the age and why I used his name, and I feel adults and others use it for a similiar reason, desperation to either believe or be protected.

To me what would be interesting is find someone who has no religious exposure at all who has suffered from a sleep paralysis or so called alien abduction and see if they have used that name or form of that name as a means of self protection now THAT would be interesting, but you'd probably only be able to find such a person in a tribe some where (but they'd still have their own idols)..so yeah the only place you could probably ever test this is if you took a child and deprived them from culture and history (maybe the government has one you can use..just joking...

Anyways, good luck on your quest!

reply to post by Visiting ESB


Don't waste your time looking for a christian that really knows what they're talking about. The Gnostics are the only true Christians. Everybody else is reinterpreting Catholicism, which is steeped in paganism. Pagans worship the ID, Monotheists worship the Ego, while truly enlightened human being will choose to honor their superego. I am not Gnostic myself, but I have met more than a few and have visited a Gnostic church. While a lot of the ceremony has been lost and replaced with some elements and imagery associated with Catholicism, they possess a far deeper understanding of the Christ consciousness. The Pagans at least had something with their understanding of the animal consciousness, but all that comes from worshiping the ego is the recreation of a god in the image of an arrogant man. It's even greater idolatry than the pagan iconography. Don't waste your time on ego-worshipers. They are by far the worst kind because everything about them is backwards. Their highest ideal is supreme imperfection. You can sometimes tempt them with the truth, but they will always cling to their beliefs, sometimes violently. It doesn't matter what they believe. Some of them are atheists who believe that mainstream science holds all the answers, even though it doesn't. Nobody has it right. That's the simple truth.

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Originally posted by Visiting ESB
TO THE CHRISTIANS HERE:

I challenge you to provide me and other ATS members who are not christian with the address of any Christian forum that will accept our viewpoint. I doubt there are any that would tolerate, as ATS and other sites do, such a wide variety of opinion.

I'm not sure if there's a requirement to accept the viewpoints of a group that tends to be openly hostile to the one true word.

Additionally, as for aliens being demonic or fallen angels: you simply display ignorance and prejudice by stating such falsehoods. To you, they are demons. You interpret them as such because you fear them, your pastor tells you they are demons and that you should fear them, and you find references in the bible that you misinterpret as referring to alien entities as being fallen angels. Your fear is based entirely in ignorance and exhibits the strong tendency of Christianity to label anything unknown, new or not understood as "demonic". Your fear is compounded and entrenched because you never dare think beyond what your pastor thinks nor do you ever question the pseudo-authorities in this subject. You accept, hook, line and sinker, whatever a Christian pastor, author or advocate tells you that you should accept.

Let us separate "Christians" into distinct groups. Baptists do as you state, but Baptists tend to be the most isolated and theologically "inbred" group, in that their interpretations of Christianity don't even really pay too much attention to the Bible. Most of us do not. Catholics are even worse, as they are more in tune with rote and ritual than the cross and its message.

In law, those making the claim have a burden to produce the evidence, generally. All I've ever seen are biblical references, but you can never seem to show us anything else to bolster your predominant claim that "all" aliens are demons (someone previously posted such a statement). You simply cannot use the bible to prove your interpretation of it.

That's because it isn't mentioned specifically. Like Constitutionalists, I'm a "Biblist". If the Bible does not address something specifically, I'm not egotistical enough to institute my own rules, as if my word is superior. The Bible is not a "living breathing document." It is the Word, independently studied and shockingly accurate.

Aliens are not demons, no matter how loudly you proclaim it. Despite the incessant preaching to the contrary, ETs are a phenomenon that is mysterious to humanity, and we should cautiously evaluate how we judge them.

The confusion is where the Bible says "God created us in His image". That does not mean anything not in His image is demonic, it simply means they're not human. I think that's obvious, but sadly, overlooked.

To say aliens are demons or fallen angels is really quite stupid, too, when you think about it. If the idea was to distract us from worshiping our imaginary friend Jesus, wouldn't they want to make themselves as attractive and deceptively "nice" as possible?

You weaken your argument by asserting that Jesus is "imaginary", which not only is inaccurate, but irrelevant to your argument.

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You weaken your argument by asserting that Jesus is "imaginary", which not only is inaccurate

So do we take it that you have new evidence to prove the opposite ?

Please feel free to post your evidence I for one would be interested, oh and by the way, the jesus of Talpiot doesn't count. Apparently that jesus is not the "real" jesus (for some strange reason totally beyond my intellect) or so I've been informed by some xtians.

Originally posted by Wildpudycat
DragonriderGal---
I respect your opinion but however I do not agree with you. Even the devil himself prances around masquering to be an "angel of light". As so do many of his soldiers. How else do you think they convince people to follow them or to believe their lies.

Needless to say you've spent many a late night conversing with real angels and being instructed on how to spot a fake angel.

For goodness sake man, this is 2009 only little children believe in fairies and angels, demons and such.

"Buffy The Vampire Slayer was only TV !"

Well, to be fair, those beings do exist, or beings similar to them in concept. They're just not third density spacial. "Fairies" are third density temporal, as in they live in the realm where time is three-dimensional, inverse to our own, and can only be seen if they stay in one place long enough. Same with "ghosts" and other such luminous phenomenon. There are also angelic beings, but they aren't the pagan gods with wings we see in the Bible. Angelic is simply the closest word to describe them. They operate on a much higher frequency than our physical reality, partially outside of it. They're beings of light and sound, like us, but brighter and in greater harmony. They're not the same as Biblical angels. Those are a reinterpretation of the Sumerian "deities", which are depicted with wings because they possessed the power of flight. They didn't literally have wings. The ancients didn't know any other way to represent flight on a stone carving. Only birds are supposed to fly.

It's impossible to present physical evidence as to their existence at this time because nearly all the technology required to visit these realms is in the hands of black operations. It'll probably come out within the next couple years if we keep pushing for better management. I just want to make clear that I am not basing some rationalization on a religious document. I am basing it on various testimony and personal experience. If anybody here has studied the Kabbalah, then they'll know what I mean when I talk about "angels". And for those who don't know, "study" is closer to "practice". Unfortunately, it's go into too much detail if nobody here knows what I am talking about.

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so there i was, total life support, day 5 of the coma. my sister comes to talk to me because my husband has been told during prayer, that if my sister comes to talk to me, i'll wake up. so he calls her.

she tries to comfort him and to deter him from the idea, fearing that he would get his hopes up only to have them dashed if she were unsuccessful. he insists. she gets off the phone and tells her husband about it and he says, "well you know, god does sometimes use our voices."
(tea, earl grey, hot).

now the funny thing about that was, that is what she did for a living. she's a public speaker who speaks to large groups of christian women on topics related to healing emotional and spiritual trauma and so on.

anyway, she was also sick at the time and dreaded the idea of coming to visit me while being sick herself.. what if she made it worse, she thought. but her hubby convinced her.

she called the prayer hotline (lots of praying moms, grandmoms, aunt, sisters, nieces and so on). she got her plane ticket, and as the plane was flying across the usa to my location, she said it was if the prayers of the ladies on her prayer chain (which was spread all over the country) were meeting her plane as it flew, because the closer she got to my location, the better she felt, so that by the time the plane arrived, she felt great!

so anyway, there i was flat on my back, hoses and tubes coming out of every orifice and needles in both arms and my leg. i wasn't breathing on my own either. out like a light. the insurance company had sent out their man to convince hubby to turn off the machines that were keeping my pretty much dead body alive.

the doctors said my MRIs had not improved and there were no signals in my brain except for one tiny one in the cerebellum. most of my motor nerve functions had ceased, i was also blind, and i had no pain response or reflex at all on my left side and hardly none on my right side. they told him if i ever did come out of the coma, which they seriously doubted, that at the very least, i would be paralyzed on the left side of my body and a vegetable.

this is what my sister walks into. she leans over to my bed and starts talking about my favorite toys i had as a child. nearby, my nurse is reading my charts. (i was in the neurocritical care unit, total life support.)

my sister says, "if you can hear me, just open your eyes for me." and my eyes popped open. she was ecstatic and told the nurse: hey, she just opened her eyes on command. the nurse said: i'm sorry, i've seen her charts and her latest MRIs and there's no way she's consciously responding. sometimes coma patients will appear to respond but it's just wishful thinking. families want so much for their loved ones to survive, they often see things that aren't happening as well.

so my sister came back over to my bed and said "i hate to bother you again, but could you please open your eyes for me again?" the nurse leaned over to see the response and sure enough, my eyes popped open. off the nurse went down the hall, to get the doctor.

the doctor said: you know better than to encourage the families of coma patients. i've been reviewing her case and she hasn't improved at all. as far as i'm concerned, that did not happen. but the nurse insisted, so he followed her to my room. and once again, my sister asked me to open my eyes and once again, they popped open.

i don't remember any of that. when i finally was aware, a few hours later, i thought i was at home and my sister and her husband had come for a visit. i remembered the dishes were dirty and the floor needed to be vacuumed. i panicked and nearly leapt out of the bed, causing my breathing tube to unattach and alarms to begin sounding. that woke me up the rest of the way and i realized i was in the hospital. i was still groggy enough, that i immediately just went back to sleep lol

anyway, the neurologists, who were doctor specialists in my particular type of malady, told me it was a miracle and that i was the most dead a person could be without actually being buried in the ground. and there was no explanation for my reawakening besides it being a miracle...and this wasn't a religious hospital.

so i offer that as proof number one, by trained professionals, that something very cool and miraculous happened because of prayer and faith in jesus.

one evening, hubby and i were babysitting the sons of some friends of ours. the boys were in the same age bracket as our own son and he liked to visit with them, so we agreed to babysit. 2 of the boys finally went to sleep but the youngest was sick from strep throat.

we watched as he tried to sleep, his little chest was heaving from the struggle to breathe and his temperature was quite high, even though he was on antibiotics and tylenol for children. i looked over at my husband who was himself looking at the sick boy with a compassionate look on his face. i thought to myself..."he's praying for him. i'll just agree with him in prayer." so that's what i did. i prayed silently in agreement with whatever prayer hubby was saying. i had no idea what he was praying for, specifically.

finally i asked him if he was praying for the boy and he replied that he was, and that he had asked the sickness be given to him instead of the boy. a few hours later, the little boy was better!
but hubby and i spent the rest of the weekend, terribly sick with strep throat, that was so bad, i had to crawl to the bathtub.

it's the only time in my 50 years of life that i have ever had strep throat, even when hubby had it 10 times in one year i never caught it. just that one time when i agreed with him in that prayer. i told him, "next time you do that, pray for it to come off the person and stick to the window then we can wipe it out of existence with windex or something! " learned my lesson, never agree in prayer with someone till you know exactly what they are praying for!



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Originally posted by Egyptia
reply to post by Visiting ESB

 

You can say the name but unless you know fully and understand the authority given to you under the most High G-d in this world it won't work. IF you do know your inherited authority over this world then they will become terrified because you will harness the power given to you under your royal lineage.

I have seen this with my own eyes and the beings have literally become utterly terrified. Knowledge is power but understanding the power you have inherited in this world is huge. HUGE! This is the very thing 'they' don't want you to know!

Yah those 'demons' are darn good actors. Once they leave, in the spirit realm and the racial/collective unconscious, I see them laughing so hard they are rolling around on the floor, clutching their stomachs to think of you all believing them. The NWO pays them very well, and if they don't put enough of a convincing display, they may not get to come back over to this dimension and work for the NWO again.

And THIS is what the NWO really doesn't want YOU to know. The demons are simply aliens, like any other. They are more on the rough and tumble side of cultural maturity, but still just aliens. *shrug*

Originally posted by moocowman

Originally posted by Wildpudycat
DragonriderGal---
I respect your opinion but however I do not agree with you. Even the devil himself prances around masquering to be an "angel of light". As so do many of his soldiers. How else do you think they convince people to follow them or to believe their lies.

Needless to say you've spent many a late night conversing with real angels and being instructed on how to spot a fake angel.

For goodness sake man, this is 2009 only little children believe in fairies and angels, demons and such.

"Buffy The Vampire Slayer was only TV !"

Ummm... actually, demons and fairies are real, but both are aliens, not from this planet. The demons, as I said, are from another dimension, and the NWO bunch summon them over to do stuff for them.

The fairies are one of the 'elder' races that came here after the Elves terraformed this world as a vacation world. All of the 'elder' races are real, and aliens, as well, like unicorns, gnomes, etc. And most left to get away from humanity because if they die here, they get sucked into a human body. Which totally sucks if you are an elf or any of the 'elder' races for that matter.

Just an FYI to the christian; The arch angels are really the elves who stayed behind to keep an eye on the NWO bunch to make sure they didn't use advanced tecnology in their efforts to enslave us. They also will answer 'prayers' at times, especially if your spirit is that of an ex-elf, but as for 'god's' angels, nah. The elves played the 'gods' of the roman, norse and greek mythology though. They are pretty powerful. But they really aren't gods; just aliens who aren't blocked to their psychic awareness and abilities as we humans are.



[edit on 22-9-2009 by DragonriderGal]

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by Visiting ESB

 

But he wasn't called 'Jesus'...

...It was Yeshua or some such other name.

You judge acoustically, which will be a mistake!
The ETs are generally telepaths and that way receive what the name MEANS to the one who utters it. And that will be what they in some cases react to. Irrespective of what they acoustically hear.

reply to post by undo


It wasn't christian prayer that brought you back so much as it was the people focusing their intentions on healing you. This has been proven to have miraculous effects. Just a few thousand people meditating on peace have demonstrated the ability to reduce worldwide crime and violence by more than half. It's a consciousness effect and a well-documented one at that. It wasn't Jesus, it was the people. There is a Christ Consciousness that exists apart from our own, but it does not function like a deity one prays to. It's an elevated awareness. Faith is a powerful thing, the power to affect reality itself.

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Acoustics are more powerful than implied meaning. That's what chanting is all about.

I would like to state that I have viewed this site since it's inception and this is the only time I have ever decided to participate. I hope I do not offend anyone in what I am about to say however I hope you find the peace and completeness I have finally found in my life. I am writing this this post in the hope that it puts you on the road to truth, love and peace.

I have spent my life researching the truth about God's name... Please open your eyes ears and hearts to these facts I beg you:

1. Jesus was a name invented by the Catholic Church 500 years ago. J in Jesus was not even in our language. Do some deep and serious research on this truthful fact for yourself.

2. Prior to 500 years ago the Catholic church since around the time of Constantine, centuries earlier or 300 years approx. after Christ changed Christ's name to Iesus. Constantine actually erected an Idol to himself which still stands today which is FULL of Pagan/satanic symbols without one reference symbol to true Christianity or to God. This from a man who helped start and create the first of all churches that deceive God's people. This name change of God's son was done because of the fact Zeus, Sus, was a Sun God worshiped by most of those who the Corporate Catholic Church (church is a word derived from the word Circus by the way...) wanted to bring into their "religion". Hence the name IeSUS. The name of God's son as per the earliest transcripts known to us is Yahushua which means Yahuwah Savior. This is the Real and only name while he was on earth.

3. Go to Yahuwah.org and find out the truth of his name if you dare...

When Christ was crucified he asked his Father to finish it soon so that his perfect name that is above every other name could be restored. That name is YAHUWAH. The bible states that all who call upon God's name would be saved. Go to Yahuwah.org and do your own independent research. CALL UPON HIS NAME AND BE SAVED! Yah was only part of his name but in fact was supernaturally saved as per prophecy for centuries to lead us to understand and learn his REAL name in the very last days and that is RIGHT NOW. HalleluYAH... does that ring a bell...Hallelu Y A H? There have been other songs with Yah in the name sung around campfires and by peoples of all faiths and backgrounds for centuries and through the greatest deceptive means by Satan and the Churches could not be removed. Yahway, Jehovah, Etc etc etc are NOT his real name. The deception was done to make you THINK this was his name. Remember, do your own research on this. Do not just trust what I state here!

The bible says that "ALL HAVE BEEN DECEIVED"... UNTIL THE TIME OF THE END WHEN HE WOULD REVEAL HIMSELF! What does this mean? Mankind has been deceived by ALL RELIGIONS! This was foretold! This means ALL have been deceived! Even I for 40 years of my life as a former JEHOVAH's Witness who felt I new so much and I had the REAL faith and the REAL truth! Have you not read this yourself in the scriptures that ALL would be deceived? Take heed my brothers and sisters! PLEASE take heed! ALL OF US HAVE BEEN DECEIVED.

Please read for yourself at www.yahuwah.org how His name was revealed and became understood.

There is so much more I could post hear but truthfully I cannot take credit for this info but simply for those with a heart that is open to learn the truth will soon become saved in Yahuwah's name by doing just a little research.

Thank you for allowing me this time to share what brings me so much joy.

Originally posted by moocowman
reply to post by jiggerman

 

You weaken your argument by asserting that Jesus is "imaginary", which not only is inaccurate

So do we take it that you have new evidence to prove the opposite ?

It's in the Bible, all you need to know.

Plus, it's not incumbent on me to "prove" something to the tinfoil hat crowd.

I do find you bringing up the name and the ufo combination fascinating. i'm sure you 've heard my story regarding the ufo orbs coming down and me shouting out with arms in the air "thankyou Jesus for this experience" at which point a different type of ufo orb appeared behind us, this one sparkling and we termed it the angle grinder white type ufo orb and this morphed into a light so white it was like something from the Bible like angel light or Jesus light, so white it is undescribably beautiful. Maybe and I repeat this is a confused thought, maybe it was Jesus coming down to save us from the other ufo orbs that we suddenly noticed had surrounded us above our heads. Maybe the bright light mothership that buzzed us afterwards was sent to clear these ufo orbs off, I don't know and I always thought they were part of the same group, but your thread starter makes me wonder especially when I did use the word Jesus.

Originally posted by Skeptical Ed
C'mon, it's 2009! It's time to realize that saying Jesus in any concept is the same as saying "hamburger"! Say this 3 times and call me in the morning: Mental conditioning results in beliefs. When you "believe" you are simply acting as a slave to the concept you believe in, nothing to do with reality.

Wow...

I choose to be a slave of my "make believe" God rather than the slave of nothing.

Clearly you have not experienced anything spiritual...yet. The day will come when you will "experience" something, which at that precise moment you will know is SO much more than which is from earth. You will rethink your "hamburger" comment right there. I am so not good in debates & i usually turn away from the usual atheistic comment, but comparing the name of The Supreme's Son to a hamburger is just sad. Consider my belief, no matter what you believe, please?

Back to my belief Not only do i believe, but i know my "butt" is safe. How can i explain something to you that is a spiritual experience, i cannot. You have chosen, by the look of things what you are saying, you do not believe in anything. It's not up to me to prove to you that God IS, but it is all up to you to give yourself a chance. The best things happen when it comes from the heart, not the mind alone.

Cheers

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well doesn't look like anyone is coming forward so i'm going to give a christian's side of the discussion on how i believe there is power in the name of Jesus. looks like i'm outnumbered here but here goes. The name of Jesus is so powerful God put it above any name. Translation, God put him in authority over everything in the universe.

He has unlimited power and mighty angels to back it up. He is so powerful it is quoted in revelation that he will destroy the armies that is mobilized against him with the sword of his mouth which is his word.

So i know what your thinking at this moment if he's so powerful why doesn't he stop this mess. He will. He is waiting for the precious fruit of the earth which is a harvest for souls. He is waiting for the church to preach the Gospel throughout all the world so that everyone can hear it and then he will return.

He is in heaven right now making intercession for the believers to God. In other words he is our representative to God. I'll give you an example of how his power works. You ever been at an intersection where a police officer was directing traffic? Who gives him his authority? The law does. Ever heard that phrase "Stop in the name of the Law?" The law has power. The police officer has authority to direct traffic and enforce it.

When a christian uses the name of Jesus there is authority and power in that name in which Angels enforce it. That is why demons or otherwise aliens would be afraid. Ever seen an angel? They have been seen at over 10ft tall and one Angel is recorded slaying 150,000 people in one night in the old testament. Jesus said in the garden just before his crucifixion that he could call 12 legions of angels to fight for him. according to the times a legion was 3,000-6,000 men. for sake of the discussion we'll use 3,000. thats approximately 36,000 angels and if one angel could kill 150,000 in one night that is enough power to kill 5,400,000,000 people in one night. if it was 6,000 per legion it would double.

basically the possibility is they could destroy the population of the entire world in one night and we know for a fact that there is millions if not billions of Angels because each individual is commissioned 1-2 angels most likely two. One guardian Angel and one messenger Angel which would be billions of Angels. That in a nutshell is why they are afraid of him. Did i mention Jesus defeated satan himself and stripped him of all his powers? Thats what he did on the cross.

The only power he has over anyone now is the ones that let him. The word says that if you resist the devil he will flee from you. Jesus delegated his authority to the church so every believer has that same authority. wheww made it. ((puts on flame retardent suit)) let it roll!!!!

G_D made all tongues (languages).
Remember the story in the Bible when a non-believer tried to evoke the name of Christ, and the demons replied, “We know Jesus Christ, and we know the Apostles, but you we do not know.” And so the demons abused him (maybe he was not baptized).
Perhaps if they say,” In The name of Our Lord Jesus Christ!”, they will have a suitable response.
Here are some Hebrew names to look up.
Elohim Messiah Yahushua
Elohim Abba Yah
Elohim Ruach Ha-Kodesh

Some enlightenment found here:
www.wwyd.org...
www.hebrew4christians.com...

Originally posted by Keeper of Kheb


well doesn't look like anyone is coming forward so i'm going to give a christian's side of the discussion on how i believe there is power in the name of Jesus. looks like i'm outnumbered here but here goes. The name of Jesus is so powerful God put it above any name. Translation, God put him in authority over everything in the universe.

He has unlimited power and mighty angels to back it up. He is so powerful it is quoted in revelation that he will destroy the armies that is mobilized against him with the sword of his mouth which is his word.

So i know what your thinking at this moment if he's so powerful why doesn't he stop this mess. He will. He is waiting for the precious fruit of the earth which is a harvest for souls. He is waiting for the church to preach the Gospel throughout all the world so that everyone can hear it and then he will return.

He is in heaven right now making intercession for the believers to God. In other words he is our representative to God. I'll give you an example of how his power works. You ever been at an intersection where a police officer was directing traffic? Who gives him his authority? The law does. Ever heard that phrase "Stop in the name of the Law?" The law has power. The police officer has authority to direct traffic and enforce it.

When a christian uses the name of Jesus there is authority and power in that name in which Angels enforce it. That is why demons or otherwise aliens would be afraid. Ever seen an angel? They have been seen at over 10ft tall and one Angel is recorded slaying 150,000 people in one night in the old testament. Jesus said in the garden just before his crucifixion that he could call 12 legions of angels to fight for him. according to the times a legion was 3,000-6,000 men. for sake of the discussion we'll use 3,000. thats approximately 36,000 angels and if one angel could kill 150,000 in one night that is enough power to kill 5,400,000,000 people in one night. if it was 6,000 per legion it would double.

basically the possibility is they could destroy the population of the entire world in one night and we know for a fact that there is millions if not billions of Angels because each individual is commissioned 1-2 angels most likely two. One guardian Angel and one messenger Angel which would be billions of Angels. That in a nutshell is why they are afraid of him. Did i mention Jesus defeated satan himself and stripped him of all his powers? Thats what he did on the cross.

The only power he has over anyone now is the ones that let him. The word says that if you resist the devil he will flee from you. Jesus delegated his authority to the church so every believer has that same authority. wheww made it. ((puts on flame retardent suit)) let it roll!!!!

hm, you draw a quite aggressive and warful picture of angels.
and why should they slay men? angels are higher developed men which help and guide.

what kind of war in heavens will show up...who knows..

I think there is a hierarchy and something like judgement day will happen, BUT maybe not that way.
judgement day means a point in the development of men, when karma is showing up DIRECTLY.



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