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Democrats vs. Republicans When will it end?

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posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 11:06 PM
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This site is quickly becoming a war zone between Dems and Reps.

There has been a deluge of battles lately, and while they may start out with good points it always ends the same, party 1 vs. party 2. regardless of content.

I see blind faith on both sides. No matter the policy, politician or performance the issue always ends up with the party attached to it. fringers, warmongers, rightwing nutjobs, libtards, Obamabots the list goes on and on.

On a positive note, I have also noticed an increase in those taking neither side, those that see both the dem and rep parties as fair game. But to what end? Will this point of view increase enough?

People in the US seem to be deeply entrenched in specific party politics even through generations. It is analogous to sports team affiliation. Once a Packers fan always a Packers fan no matter what. Only politics is not sports or entertainment, it is your future.

How long will it be before someone comes along who gains an audience from both sides by taking policy that works or has worked from both existing parties and building something new on that, something the people can be a part of collectively on a united front.

Turn the States of America back into the United States of America. Can a movement like this grow its clipped wings back and soar once again, like the Eagle it once was?


Is it possible? Or do those at the top have to much of a hold?




posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 11:08 PM
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as long as there are
extremists that are very opposed to another
side, as long as there are opinions on how to run this country,
as long as there is ignorance, as long as there are MINDS,
this argument will never end.
that vision that people see of all of us singing CUMBAYA
is never going to happen. Sorry hippies.



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 11:18 PM
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How long will it be before someone comes along who gains an audience from both sides by taking policy that works or has worked from both existing parties and building something new on that, something the people can be a part of collectively on a united front.


Maybe this what we are being set up for. To allow a third party to win that would unite majority of Americans and will convince us that globalization is the only salvation.

Maybe all this bickering between left and right is just another gimmick to frustrate people into going with that third option.

There has to be a reason why left and right seldom compromise and are slowly but truly turning up the hatred for each other.



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 11:21 PM
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Yikes. Scary thought because it would work. Bring in someone who claims no affiliation.. He's the hero able to do anything because he's not on either side.

Yes, that is probably the only way that this would end, but still a risky move...*shrug*



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 12:06 AM
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When will it end? Is this a rhetorical question? Why do you think it will end?

This isnt only about party lines as so many blame people for. Sure I agree there is bias and a lack of knowledge over the choices out there during election period but ultimately people have strong opinions and like wise they are going to conflict with others. These differences are ideological, and while these daily arguments may get out of hand sometimes people have differences, and likewise its their right and their choice.

So long as we celebrate the diversity in beliefs and opinions in this country there will always be differences. What, you want everybody to drop their opinions and follow Ron Paul? or libertarianism because the other two parties and political leaders are too dominating? isnt that exactly what you would oppose? Everybody following the ideology of one member that claims the other ideologies are "fighting too much"? Sure, I tend to bait on people regarding party lines and ideology, but I certainly wouldnt advocate that "everybody follow one belief" because certainly we dont want a clone society.

Day in and day out we get the same people interrupting discussion of matters we all hold important to yet again dump down our throats another "right-left dem-repub" conspiracy meanwhile advocating everybody to follow their Ron Pauls or to magically stop fighting and agree on one thing.... like sheep. Makes sense.

Yes this is the United states, but it would not be the United states without our differences along with our nationalism.

[edit on 16-9-2009 by Southern Guardian]



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by jam321
Maybe this what we are being set up for. To allow a third party to win that would unite majority of Americans


What on earth are you talking about? You really think everybody is going to agree on one third party? Let me guess, you want them to vote for your third party right? Yes wait to go to united the nation, by promoting your ideological biasness while blaming others. If everybody was supposedly to vote third party, and say the majority and like wise the electors voted for the "american socialist" third party, would be waving your third party hat around? Or did you really mean only "rightwing third parties will supposedly united the nation"?


Maybe all this bickering between left and right


Because if people stop having their own opinions and differences, we'd be a better society, acting like clones. I agree, the arguments tend to get out hand, but its matter of letting people know there are other choices ang giving your side of the argument, not another "choice" that you have your own biasness for.

[edit on 16-9-2009 by Southern Guardian]



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 12:21 AM
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Man I hear you OP. Right now I think the actions of the MSM could be classified under the Patriot Act. Inciting racial hatred when it has nothing to do with that. Maybe the Patriot Act could help us take back our country. What is worse is that both sides are attacking each other and I think a good majority of Americans are starting to tune them out. They talk about all these millions of racists yet you can walk down your street and go to the store and nobody is racist. They talk about right wing extremists, yet I haven't seen anyone being extreme and most aren't even right wing. There are many people in the freedom movement that agree with some social programs that benefit all Americans and if they don't agree with them outright don't mind they are there if they can opt out of them.



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 12:50 AM
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I think most likely it is going to end soon.

I think one or more of the following will be the trigger.

1. Major banks begin failing

2. Social Security / Medicare / Pension failures

3. Massive stock market crash

4. Massive inflation

All four are almost guaranteed to happen, I just don't know the order yet.

These events will force the majority to wake up to the fact both parties - and the fed, are the cause of these problems.

The people will finally actually care because they will be without food/ shelter/bs to distract them and will demand answers for why they cannot get a job / afford to get out of poverty.

All but the most extreme supporters will abandon them once and for all, and new parties, if not an entirely new government or maybe even anarchy will emerge.



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 01:23 AM
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Do you want to understand it or are you just bashing it???

For one I am taking sides because I regard blatant hypocrisy like I do black widows.

I will not sit around and watch a bunch of people throw the same turds they crapped in the last decade...

This anti Obama sentiment may be well founded, but the delivery system being used to meet a political objective is disgusting and psychotic.

The end game will be GOP back in the seat doing the same ol same ol GOP style, the "constitution" will be forgotten and it will back to play time with the Snufflupagus.
This same vitriol will be turned around to defend the same stuff these "patriots" are "fighting" against now.

Half of the nation being lead by one news outlet - they go to war, they subvert the constitution, increase the government!

BUT now,,,, now they are HEALED!

and Bobby Jindal will save us!!!

I have many bones to pick with Obama, he has not kept to some of his rhetoric and supports some of this crap below -


However this putrid conservative brainwashing is more disgusting for me - Patriot act, IRAQ, 9/11, $6.50 gas, KATRINA, JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, $2.2 trillion missing the day before 9/11, XE. Haliburton, Gitmo, FISA, three tier justice system, WMD, THE ECONOMY DIEING...

Obama would have to be more insidious than Satan's diarrhea to out shine this great failure pile of history.


All thanks to you "PATRIOTS" who threw your everything behind GEORGE II








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[edit on 16-9-2009 by mental modulator]



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 01:48 AM
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Man, republicans, democrats, liberals, conservatives, where does it end?
My question is, what ever happened to the saying "United we stand, divided we fall"?


[edit on 9/16/2009 by Slash]



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 01:52 AM
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Originally posted by Slash
Man, republicans, democrats, liberals, conservatives, where does it end?
My question is, what ever happened to the saying "United we stand, divided we fall"?


[edit on 9/16/2009 by Slash]


well if you think about it, it is the back and forth that keeps this thing from going too far either way.

That the genius and the curse



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 01:54 AM
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Yeah I guess, kinda like Yin and Yang.
I'm just tired of all the labeling and fighting.



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 02:09 AM
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Here is my prediction...

Catastrophic collapse of the USA. This is happening right now but a lid is on it. This will hit harder than anything the Americans have ever endured. The shock to the system will be unimaginable.. within hours your bank account, your job, everything will have a value of zero. Anarchy and war will break out between right & left and THEN the country will begin to divide into several key regions, each region becoming a new country. Each region will basically be 95% left wing or 95% right wing. The US will be in 3rd world status, the 5 or so new countries in the US land mass will be at perpetual war with each other for resources. The right wing countries will be a lot like North Korea and the left wing countries like South Korea. Obama will carry on as leader of one of the countries, Palin and George Bush will be back for another. The most extreme of the right leaning countries will crown Cheney king. There will be a lot of initial pain but after 40-50yrs things will settle. With right and left separated and established in their own countries it will "end".



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 10:47 AM
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What on earth are you talking about? You really think everybody is going to agree on one third party? Let me guess, you want them to vote for your third party right? Yes wait to go to united the nation, by promoting your ideological biasness while blaming others.


Dang SG, go take you a smoke break and relax. I responded to a quote by the op and included the word "maybe" throughout my post.

I have no third party or ideological biasness . It was simply a thought about how maybe we were being set up.



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 01:06 PM
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So long as we celebrate the diversity in beliefs and opinions in this country there will always be differences.


I don't see a "celebration" of anything. Certainly not diversity, that in itself is being used to divide.




What, you want everybody to drop their opinions and follow Ron Paul? or libertarianism because the other two parties and political leaders are too dominating?


I never mentioned Ron Paul, besides he is still a republican is he not?
I do think additional options of a third or fourth party is a good start. However, additional parties would certainly need "face" time to gain acceptance and credibility.

So long as the MSM pushes only the dem or rep parties, any third option will have a very tough time.

I don't and never would suggest that everyone should or would follow one single party, that would be virtually impossible. But I think it is very possible to add other options.

I only wanted to start a discussion on the potential political future of the US. It is difficult convince oneself that things are improving and that the 2 current parties are getting along just fine. I see quite the opposite, and I also see the solutions coming from the coutries people and not its current leaders.




[edit on 16-9-2009 by PowerSlave]



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 04:38 PM
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When will it end?

Democrats always act like Democrats, and Republicans sometimes act like Democrats.

It will end when Republicans start acting like it and stop pandering to the Democrats.

When a proud liberal, who doesn't hide it, and a conservative go up against each other, the conservative wins every time. This will not end until Republicans realize this.




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