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Are young women becoming more narcissistic?

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posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 02:37 PM
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this is the reason i broke up with my girlfriend.




posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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reply to post by Dark Ghost
 


Ahhhh, forgive me.

I get it.

You do not want equality for men or women.

You want men to not be equal to women, by not being allowed a choice in their life.

You don't feel men are equal to women in that you don't feel men have the ability to be a great parent. IE: you are sexist in your thinking towards men. Men "can't" be good parents. You feel men are inferior to women in this manner.

And you don't want women to be equal to men, by not being allowed a choice in their life. IE: you are sexist in your thinking towards women. Women can "only" be the good parent. Though you do think women have the right to work outside the home and can do just as well as men.

You are sexist, towards men and women equally.

I get it.

I see you want men to continue being the ones to work outside the home, and women to continue being the ones to work in the home. "cus man that's all them mens an wemens ur good fur."

Yep, your boxing up men and women and not allowing either the choice for what is right for them.

Cool, you are equally sexist towards both sexes, at least your "equal" in this regards.


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posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 03:04 PM
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Its the Sex & The City generation.


Me myself is from the Beverly Hills & Melrose Place generation. Much better. Everybody knows nothing beats Heather Locklear.

In all seriousness, woman are becoming more bossy and have no problems ordering men around like men ordered women around a few decades back. Its the same old power structures, but women are doing it now instead of men.

I guess men were more confident back then, but now its women. You can probably see a straight connection between how TV/movies portrays men/women back then and now and easily see why women are now in charge.



[edit on 23-9-2009 by Copernicus]



posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 03:12 PM
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EVERYONE, especially young people, are more narcissistic, not just women. Women are VERY materialistic and obsessed with their image for sure. And it's definitely spilling over into the emasculation of males in US society. But I wouldn't say women are anymore narcissistic than men. I think younger males and females are the epitome of a "me" generation. Hell I think a majority of people nowadays live in this self absorbed bubble. I was watching this E Entertainment special on PINK. About her music, her life etc. All the while I'm thinking about WHO THE F CARES? Everything about her and her life and her music REVOLVED AROUND HER! It's all about HER heartache, her problems, her life. LMAO! And we as a society eat this crap up! Celebrities are so out of touch with mainstream society just like politicians. American culture revolves around self absorbed narcissists. Women, men, BOTH!

Women complain about the stigmas surrounding looking good being thin etc. They love to blame that crap on men! SORRY LADIES MOST OF US MEN do not think rail thin skinny is attractive. You put that anorexic thin is in crap on yourselves, some sort of deep rooted insecurity, psychological problems or something. It has nothing to do with what we as men like. Most men like women with curves. The manboy, coke. look is not attractive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll take a fitness chick on the cover of Women's Health or Oxygen any day over some anorexic supermodel on the cover of Glamour or Elle.



posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 03:28 PM
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Oh as far as women in the workplace I'll say this and you can interpret it however you want............Human Resources is one of the most bloated, inefficient, bureaucratic, fluff department of any business or corporation..........and HR is usually run by who? WOMEN!


In all honesty I think there are some very good women managers out there.....I know I'm married to one......but overall I can't stand working for women. Committees, posters, meetings, forms, etc. Just look at K-12 education nowadays and how school curriculum and education in general caters to girls. Girls are quiet, studious, follow the rules.......they yearn to be patted on the . and told they are doing a good job. Boys are the complete opposite. It's inherent in being male and growing into a man. We are rambunctious, active, naturally rebellious, need to physical. I feel sorry for young boys nowadays. No tag at recess and they are lucky if they even get to expunge that pent up energy at recess at all.

Women strive to be accepted by the group......men strive to be their own group or act independently.

[edit on 23-9-2009 by Zosynspiracy]



posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 03:31 PM
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When society worships youth the way it does, it is easy for the young women to get a big ego - she gets a lot of attention. But that usually dies down as she ages.

Another thing I see being mentioned is how wonderful it was back in the 50's when more women stayed home. I always believed that too. But I also think it takes the right spouse and the right situation to make it desirable. I was speaking to some women from that time that really felt unhappy and stuck in terrible, abusive marriages because they had no skills or ability to leave their husband and support themselves and their children. For some women, those times were like prison. So it is important people don't idolize the past.

Truth is, it takes the right people in a relationship, treating each other well, for it to work out in any day and age.



posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 03:49 PM
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reply to post by Violet Sky
 


A majority of women aren't working and entering these dynamic careers because of their abusive, neanderthal husbands. Yes maybe that's the way it was for some women back in the day. But not so much anymore. Talk to most women and ask them what the number one reason is they don't want to be stay at home moms nowadays? BOREDOM! That's pretty pathetic in my opinion. Again this isn't ALL women but MANY women. To the detriment of the family structure and most importantly our kids. I think being a stay at home mom is one of the most important roles ANYONE could undertake. I mean how in the hell can it be "boring". Your kid is a blank slate........it's up to you to nourish him mentally, morally, and physically. If I was a stay at home dad I'd be far from bored. Plus once the kid enters school after the first what 5 years stay at home moms have all the time in the world to do whatever is they neeed to so they're not "bored". Having a 9-5 job sucks sometimes. I'd love to be a 9-5 mom.

One thing I think is hard nowadays is there isn't the same support structure for stay at home moms. Some feel very isolated and alone. I'm sure in my grandmother's generation where most women were stay at home moms they got together during the day, watched kids together, cooked together etc. But that's symbolic of our greater society..........much less a sense of community. It's sad really. And judging by the character of a lot of young people they are suffering because of it. But most men cannot support a stay at home mom/family either. That's the biggest problem. But the powers that be have wanted to destroy the middle class family for the last 60 years. And they've done a great job of doing so.



posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 03:51 PM
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There is an economic dimension to the issue as well: it is very hard for a single wage-earner to support a whole family nowadays, compared with 30 or 40 years ago. This pushes women into the workplace -- whether they want to be there or not. TPTB love this because it essentially doubles the workforce, putting and keeping downward pressure on wages for everyone.

You can argue over whether this is an engineered "conspiracy" or just something that naturally evolved over time, but it is a reality. Once you factor taxes and child-rearing expenses in, a family of four (never mind five or six) has a very hard time making it by unless both parents are working full-time -- and even then its still hard, especially for those earning the median wage or below.

Some people say this is a result of materialism and "keeping up with the Joneses" -- there is some truth to this; millions have "too much house" and gigantic cars they don't need, plus all sorts of gadgets and plastic crap bought on credit that they don't really need. But hey, keeps the economy humming, right? Personally, I think that even if you wanted to live a pared-back, "1950s lifestyle" it would still take two bread-earners in most cases. But even if not, it's a fact of life that people define their happiness in comparison to those around them. A millionaire in a room full of billionaires feels like a loser, while a hunter-gatherer with two bananas in a tribe where everyone else has only one feels like a king.

By exploiting this, advertisers and the media that they host (which are becoming increasingly inseperable, by the way) hype both male and female narcissism. You aren't allowed to feel good enough about yourself unless you have "more" than everyone else, leading to a mass scramble of materialism and endless competition. In addition to sucking women into the work-and-spend-on-yourself treadmill vortex, this has also gutted traditional senses of community and neighborliness, making more and more places in America endless strip-malls lit by hellish halogen harshness where nobody knows their neighbor and everyone stews in a broth of self-loathing, fear, and greed.



posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 03:57 PM
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Hey I think singling out men as liars and women not is total BS. Women have had to evolve since before cavemen to be great manipulators and liars because they didn't have force.

Men and women lie frequently, it's just they are far better at it than us. I'll go and have a looksy, I'm sure there have been studies backing up that women lie more.

A few years ago I got talking to some older geezer who'd been in the German military and we got talking about women as you do, and he kind of surpised me by telling me about some Russian female divisions during WW2 that were feared much more than the men because they were far more vicious and vindictive and took much pleasure in torturing their POWs. I never did check out his story, didn't need to it made total sense to me.

and another thing...I don't use the toilet seat to have a pee, so why is it that I've got to pick it up and put it down all the time?



posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 04:00 PM
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Star for you my friend> WELL SAID!

I think there it is part conspiracy for sure. Starting way back with the Rockefellers supporting the whole feminist movement. Or was it the Carnegies? I forget.



posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 04:02 PM
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Yes I love the whole toilet seat thing....and let's not forget the whole holding the door thing.



posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 04:04 PM
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The problem is that womens equal right #, has completely #ed things up. Your moms stayed home to raise you and your family and provided food and wholesome family values, unlike now, where women are more FINANCIALLY independant and now they have the power of sex AND money in there hands. Men's power is now gone because of this and the balance has changed to where now it is all in the hands of women.

Now that women are on the same level as men (if not higher) as far as education and professional work power, and the fact that it is more accepting for women to rise higher than men in the workplace, their sense of empowerment is out of control

I DARE ANYONE ON ATS TO DISARGREE THAT MEN DO NOT BRING TO THE TABLE (IN RELATIONSHIPS) THE SEXUALITY POWER THAT WOMEN HAVE. ALL THAT MEN REALLY HAVE IS THEIR SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS/STATUS/FINANCIAL POWER, BUT NOW IN THIS DAY AND AGE, COMPARED TO WHEN OUR MOTHERS AND FATHERS GREW UP, THE WOMEN HAVE THE SEX POWER AND THE FINANCIAL POWER.

THIS PUTS MEN IN AN ABUSIVE SITUATION BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT DATING ETTIQUETTE RULES WHERE MEN HAVE TO COVER THE COST OF DATING/TAKING WOMEN OUT ON DATES.

[edit on 23-9-2009 by theprofessionalnyc]



posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 04:08 PM
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People have been claiming this for ....ever.

Women, out of their "place." Which is, where-ever someone else tells them to be.



posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by sharps
reply to post by mental modulator
 


and another thing...I don't use the toilet seat to have a pee, so why is it that I've got to pick it up and put it down all the time?


And I don't wear your underwear and leave race tracks all over it, so why do I have to be the one to wash it and put it away?

Now, back to your toilet seat question.....

Uhm, because men are the ones that pee on it and then do not clean it off, and then, you have to put the toilet seat down for the same reason that women should, it is unsanitary not too. If both seats are not closed when you flush, everything in the toilet splashes out, on you, on the floor, on the walls on.... get the point?

Jeesh, and please read the thread people. If you get to the door FIRST hold it open for those behind you, be you man or woman. It is just a "nicety" towards your fellow homo sapiens.

Otherwise don't feel so slighted when women start slamming the door in your faces when she reaches the door first. You know, all equal and all that.

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Ok, wow, your posting is full of narcissistic attitude.

Uhm, most women I know that are dating, actually fairly often are the ones paying these days, or they go dutch. Why? Because most of them hate that the men that are on the dating scene these days think a woman "owes" them when he pays for the meal.

And YELLING AT EVERYONE DOES NOT MAKE YOUR OPINION ANY MORE OF A REALITY.


If you feel men do not have the same "sexual power" as women do in the bedroom, I would suggest that you take a good long look at yourself then. As I feel this is an untrue statement in general, and perhaps it is something you yourself feel about who you are. You know, a bit of some "narcissistic" personality happening there dude. Now, I posted a list of symptoms of narcissistic personality, where did that go? oh here it is on page 2, I know, so far back it is hard to find, I forgive you.

Believing that you're better than others
Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
Exaggerating your achievements or talents
Expecting constant praise and admiration
Believing that you're special
Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings
Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
Taking advantage of others
Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
Being jealous of others
Believing that others are jealous of you
Trouble keeping healthy relationships
Setting unrealistic goals
Being easily hurt and rejected
Having a fragile self-esteem
Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional

Sounds like some men here are upset that women are now able emotionally and financially to take care of themselves, which leaves you feeling inadequate. And, well all I have to say is, that happens to be a personal problem that you have, ie you don't feel complete in who you are without a woman "staying in her place". Do you not see the irony here guys? That your complaint seems to be "woman being able to financially provide for herself leaves you feeling as inadequate"? Come on, are you telling me you can't "be a man" without a woman being dependent on you? Are you saying that is all you are good for? I don't believe it.

And you guys are calling women narcissistic?

Perhaps, you need to decide if all you want to be to a woman, is her financial stability. Do you want a woman to want you, for you? Or do you want a woman to want you for the money you can bring to the table? I suspect, you would rather a woman want you for who you are.

Or is it too complicated to be man enough to actually be more than a paycheck? It does require thinking, I know I know, us women are asking so much from you men. (a touch of sarcasm here guys)

Caveman mentality, it's just so, caveman.

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posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 08:32 PM
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So in that case do you cook for your husband/boyfriend? Why do that?

And to the other poster...............women only use sex as power because we as men give that to them. If men weren't such salivating dogs when it came to sex, breasts, butt and women they wouldn't have that power. Do you think porn is a multi billion dollar industry because of women? LOL. If there was no demand for it it wouldn't exist. Men need to curb their appetite for sex and lust and boobs and maybe women would get the point.



posted on Sep, 24 2009 @ 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by amazed
Ahhhh, forgive me.

I get it.

You do not want equality for men or women.

You want men to not be equal to women, by not being allowed a choice in their life.

You don't feel men are equal to women in that you don't feel men have the ability to be a great parent. IE: you are sexist in your thinking towards men. Men "can't" be good parents. You feel men are inferior to women in this manner.

And you don't want women to be equal to men, by not being allowed a choice in their life. IE: you are sexist in your thinking towards women. Women can "only" be the good parent. Though you do think women have the right to work outside the home and can do just as well as men.

You are sexist, towards men and women equally.

I get it.

I see you want men to continue being the ones to work outside the home, and women to continue being the ones to work in the home. "cus man that's all them mens an wemens ur good fur."

Yep, your boxing up men and women and not allowing either the choice for what is right for them.

Cool, you are equally sexist towards both sexes, at least your "equal" in this regards.


Harm None
Peace


I think you have lost your grasp on reality. How can one be sexist towards both sexes? You can't because then the definition of sexism would not apply. Please try and look at the bigger picture and stop trying to smear me because I am not married and don't have children. I have been surrounded by people that are married and do have a children for most of my life, so do not try and discredit my opinion on the matter. I know couples that have been married for 30+ years, I know couples that divorced after 2 years of marriage. I know couples that have adopted children.

I have no desire to keep debating this issue. Like I said, you have been so deeply ingrained with Feminist propaganda that you have lost your ability to reason and think objectively. Both you and I have dragged this thread off-topic and the actual thread subject is not being addressed. I apologise for this and will stop taking part in this discussion.

Back on topic: young women are NOT becoming more narcissistic any more than young men are. Being a certain gender does not automatically make one narcissistic. I personally feel that Feminism as a movement encourages women to play the role of victim and men the role of perpetrator. That is my opinion and sorry if you do not like it.



posted on Sep, 24 2009 @ 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by Republican08
I think it's a societal phase.

Just like with black people, the whole gangs, and black power, buy black, only black people are 'hip' and 'hop'. lol

Wow can you be anymore racist?

only black people have gangs?

white power?



posted on Sep, 24 2009 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
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So in that case do you cook for your husband/boyfriend? Why do that?

And to the other poster...............women only use sex as power because we as men give that to them. If men weren't such salivating dogs when it came to sex, breasts, butt and women they wouldn't have that power. Do you think porn is a multi billion dollar industry because of women? LOL. If there was no demand for it it wouldn't exist. Men need to curb their appetite for sex and lust and boobs and maybe women would get the point.


Sigh... so sad, the point was, mental modulator was complaining about respecting another person and raising, then closing the seat of the toilet. (a narcissistic attitude by the way) so I threw one right back at him trying to make a point. Seems it was lost so.... ie: caring about someone and respecting their needs. ie: washing someone elses dirty underwear. ie: raising and lowering the toilet seat. It is called respect for and caring about, the people you love. If you can't be bothered to do these things for the ones you love, it means your selfish, and well, that is a narcissistic attitude, one which many men have over the toilet seat.

Yes by the way, I cook for my husband. Guess what? He also cooks for me, quite often as a matter of fact. He's really good at it, much better than I am, though I am the better gardener. See how that works?

And wait, your saying "women only use sex as power because we as men give that to them", can the same also be said that men only feel complete when a woman is "in her place" because women have given that to men in the past? (actually we have been forced to but again, I am trying to make a point here) And if so, do you agree that we should stop giving them that so they get the point? And besides, which point would you be trying to make by withholding sex with your partner? Seriously, which point would you be making? That your a "tough" man who does not need the touch of another person? Sounds a bit narcissistic to me.

Agreed with your reasons for the porn industry though. ding ding ding we have a winner.

reply to post by Dark Ghost
 


All right, fine you refuse to look at the points I am making, along with several others, therefore refusing to deny ignorance. Like I said in my first post, not sure why I get into these threads as some people will never step out of their wittle created box that keeps them all comfy and happy.

Ignorance is not an excuse for stupidity.

I will say one more thing to you.

Yes, someone can be sexist towards both sexes. It is not a complete black and white ideology.
Definition of sexism
1. attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles.
2. discrimination or devaluation based on a person's sex, as in restricted job opportunities

You discriminate against MEN by believing they cannot be a great stay at home parent, thinking if they do stay home the children will be damaged. Meaning? You restrict their "job opportunities" as being a stay at home parent IS a job. Meaning? You feel men are less than women in this regard.

You discriminate against WOMEN by believing they are better off working in the home and not outside the home.

DUH

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posted on Sep, 24 2009 @ 01:28 PM
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Men have become more integrated into their children's lives as fundamental daily guiding force. Largely due to feminism. And it is a great, and powerful thing.

Men who would have been working longer hours, or even working far away for weeks, months and years at a time away from their children. This idea of men INVOLVED, interactive and concerned with their children's lives is not common. The fact that it has become important is due directly to feminism.



posted on Sep, 24 2009 @ 01:33 PM
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hah, i really want to say yeah.

i mean, who really knows. i wasnt alive 50 years ago so i dont know if women have changed much but i can say that women are extremely narcissistic nowadays and it kind of grosses me out.

guys are too though.. lets not forget that. many many guys are just incredibly narcissistic also.

maybe its something in the water



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