Carter: Race Plays Role in Obama Dislike - UPDATED: White House rejects racism claim

Fox Host: "You're not a pimp, you're just playing one on our show"

Pimp: "Ya, I'm one of the whitest guys ever."

lol

ACORN = dog whistle?

The majority of the people being labled racist are old white people. They grew up in a segregated country and are not always politically correct. Those people now have a legitimate ax to grind with a president who promised to give them pain pills in place of pace makers. To pretend that those people only dislike Obama because of his race is the height of arrogance.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Bullhorn
All right, if these guys represent all white people

I don't believe anyone said anything about "all white people".

My point is that if the criticisms about Obama were about his policy, then people would be talking about his policy, but they can't. Many of these people literally don't even know what they're talking about. They criticize the health care bill, the czars, "socialism, fascism, communism" (they're all the same, you know)... but when asked what specifically they don't like, they're stumped. They cannot speak further than the talking points that Glenn Beck has fed them. So, why do they hate? What's underneath this? Is it as simple as Obama being a Democrat? I don't think so.

But I've said my piece. I don't want to hijack the thread. Suffice it to say that I agree with Carter on this.

Yeah, kinda similar to when these Obama supporters were asked why they supported him...

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Racism plays a part on both sides but the constant cries of racism at every criticism is getting old.

Originally posted by cenpuppie

Heck, last election i voted for Bush.

[edit on 17-9-2009 by cenpuppie]

Me, too - as what I hoped would be the better of two bad choices.

As for all this race talk, I posted my solution previously and it is:

Since obama is actually half white, all future criticism of obama will be directed solely at the white 50%. End of issue ...

Originally posted by Beefcake
Is the left ok with the wars if the Democrats are in office? I don't understand.

I agree, Beefcake. I actually wondered the same thing myself. His whole election was based on change, and ending the wars that the left opposed so strongly. Since then, obama, for whatever reasons right or wrong, has done a complete about face on the war issue. But i guess all the die hard "lefties" are now on the political defense, and far too busy defending obama to be concerned with protesting a pesky little war or two.

I disagree, Obama never said he was going to pull out of Afghanistan.

While I've taken exception to a lot of things he has done since taking office, he's done pretty much what he said he'd do: start pulling out from Iraq (this is ongoing but will take a while) and increase troop levels in Afghanistan.

I don't get this idea that he has committed some great betrayal by putting more troops in Afghanistan - he said he would be doing that throughout the entire Presidential campaign

If people didn't listen or just tuned it out, I don't know what to say

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Well, i concede that you may be right about afghanistan, i don't personally remember him vowing to pull out of there, but his position on iraq did change, and none of his fervent supporters seem to have called him on it...

CHANGE #1: Despite Pledging To Withdraw American Troops From Iraq Immediately, Barack Obama Now Says He Would "Refine" His Policy After Listening To The Commanders On The Ground

In July 2008, Barack Obama Said He Will Continue To "Refine" His Iraq Policy. Obama: "I've always said that the pace of withdrawal would be dictated by the safety and security of our troops and the need to maintain stability. That assessment has not changed...And when I go to Iraq and have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I'm sure I'll have more information and will continue to refine my policies." (Jeff Zeleny, "Obama: Open to 'Refine' Iraq Withdrawal Timeline," The New York Times' "The Caucus" Blog, thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com..., 7/3/08)

In The Primaries, Barack Obama Committed To Withdrawing Troops From Iraq Regardless Of The Advice He Received From Commanders On The Ground. ABC's Charles Gibson: "And, Senator Obama, your campaign manager, David Plouffe, said, 'When he is' -- this is talking about you - 'When he is elected president, we will be out of Iraq in 16 months at the most. There should be no confusion about that.' So you'd give the same rock-hard pledge, that no matter what the military commanders said, you would give the order to bring them home?" Obama: "Because the commander-in-chief sets the mission, Charlie. That's not the role of the generals. ... Now, I will always listen to our commanders on the ground with respect to tactics, once I've given them a new mission, that we are going to proceed deliberately, in an orderly fashion, out of Iraq, and we are going to have our combat troops out. We will not have permanent bases there. Once I have provided that mission, if they come to me and want to adjust tactics, then I will certainly take their recommendations into consideration. But, ultimately, the buck stops with me as the commander-in-chief." (Sen. Barack Obama, Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate, Philadelphia, PA, 4/16/08)
www.nelsonguirado.com...

I have to laugh about not having permanent bases there, because it's a joke. There will be permanent bases in iraq, and probably a mcdonalds too.


[edit on 17-9-2009 by 27jd]

Originally posted by PrisonerOfSociety
He's not black, he's half-cast.

I swear black people are much, MUCH more racist than whites. Check this thread out, unbelievable...

Isn't Obama half black, half white?

white man white woman white baby
black man black woman black baby
black man white woman black baby
dont you listen to your pubic enemy son.

genetically and by numbers both this is a completely false statement anyway.

You'd have to grow up in a place like Brooklyn to have known people of mixed race like myself with perfectly white skin and blond hair, the norm seems to be a pretty even mix but to say this is true genetically is completely unrealistic.

Add to that a numerical advantage in America by whites and Hispanics that is 5 to one

Add to that also a tendency for the majority/whites to be the mating choice of preference when a mixed race child grows up and has to choose minority vs majority by both circumstance and will

I don't actually know why African Americans actually fall for this line of thinking when simply by looking in the mirror and comparing ... maybe 60-80% of African Americans to Africans it is PLAIN and obvious to see that there is is by and large a different racial distinction and that Many African Americans are to a degree partly Caucasian already.

Any further mixing or watering down would leave the genetics firmly in the Majority of cases over the 50% Caucasian line even if some curly hair and a nice skin tone remains, much like Obama who's Father actually was AFRICAN not African American and still his very whitey, white attitudes and mannerisms show up load and clear anyway...

What's amusingly Racist is that African Americans are happy to associate any one who is not lilly white as the driven snow... with being a fellow Brother when most of them aren't even fully African in the first place.

The reality is, African Americans numbers are not in any meaningful way increasing and via Integration will decline further and further, on a census or on paper what is said is one thing, but genetics and appearance are entirely another.

Over the generations, mixed-race lineages would tend to either pass into the white population and become more white with each generation's marriage to a white person, or stay in the African-American population. If the latter, the families would normally become more genetically African over time as their offspring married African-Americans.

Given that in modern times the children tend to be raised by mom, it is obvious which direction the trend is biased to, Obama would be in the 20% club of mixed raced Black/white children that reenter the Black community and have offspring that would be majority African

30% of the White population of America actually carries African genetics to a small percentage

To really sum this up, given population growth and trends

Over time

There will be Less African Americans, just as Many White people and More people you could call.... urm, LOL Puerto Ricans?

The closest thing to a "racial" problem I personally have with Obama

He is psychologically inclined to view Americas problems as "inner city" problems from his perspective and frankly if you live in the inner city many Caucasians share the same life style and struggles as African Americans and if you Live beyond Suburbia African Americans very often share values and culture far more similar to their Caucasian neighbors than any one of any color in the inner cities.

it is Easy for some to break this down to a Black/White issue by percentages.

But in reality, any African Americans where I live to the vast majority hold the same values and opinions basically as I do... the issues are cultural not skin tone...

The heart land doesn't like Obama and much of the urban environment does... Black or White

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But either way, the media's response to Obama's war is much different than their response to Bush's war, is it not?
There's definitely a double standard (maybe even a triple standard ).

salaam

I personally think racism is a huge factor. but i have also noticed that is not the black community that keep crying foul and calling people racist. its whites accusing other whites of being racist. i dont think all ant obama people are racist. some really dislike his policy. i like obama i dident vote cuzz being a convicted felon n my state i cant vote. but i wish i could have. just because i support obama doesent mean i agree with everything he says. most thing i do but not everything. its funny how people wanna say black just wanted to support their own lol. if that was the case we would have all came out for jesse jackson when he ran. but instead we voted for the white guy. the vast majority of people that are not racist are over shadowed by the people who are.

i also think people are scared because obama is alot different from what america is used to. lets face some people take change really bad, and some just dont like it all. people are used to old white men running the country. they are not used to seeing a black man or a black family in the oval office runnig things. the majority of the black community is very excited about this. means things have come along way not just for blacks but for all of america. we all knew the racist factors of america would rear ntheir ugly head loud and clear if he was elected. i eve remeber talking about it with my wife and in laws lol. it sad but some people are stuck in their old ways.
i would like to point out another thing ive notice on ats and ive always liked ats but this kinda sickens. me being some one who is pro black and i do alot in my community to give back and help feed and build homes for homeless. but im very proud of who i am. what i am. but back to what iw as saying. through out history blacks have jst wanted to be treated as humans. to be looked at as aperson and be treated the same as everybody else. were the white factor (again not all) has wanted to dominate and control by any means. not all blacks back there were peacful in their msg of trying to break free of oppression but the man target and the gaol was the same equality for all.

it sux that in america blacks and whites aers till stuck intheir mindset of the past. alot of blacks think they cant get ahead because they are black and tha its the white man holding them down. in some cases that may be true but in most cases its just in xcuse to be lazy. i have used it lol. no one likes to admite they failed at some thing because they wernt up to tthe task. on the same coin alot of whites still think less of black are think they cant do this job because they are black are some are just initmidated by blacks. i grew up surrounded by racism in arizona. being a black orphan back in the 80's and 90's was rough.

back to the topic racism plays a big role and i appluad obama for trying to tone that down. he doesent want to be seen by white america as just another angry black man playing the race. im glad he said what he did. im glad he is potus

just my two cent time for me to break fast down to my last 2 days of fasting

salaam

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lol.... its sad but thats how it should be because the racial issue about blacks and among blacks is still a very sensitive issue

reply to post by centurion1211

Since obama is actually half white, all future criticism of obama will be directed solely at the white 50%. End of issue ...

Now THAT is funny! I wonder if a Republican can offically announce it, without being called racist

There was something about John Edwards that rubbed off funny to me. He seemed like the AntiChrist (i dont believe it, but the word fits) or something to me you know...like too perfect...

Thank you president Obama,

Someone needs to defuse this racism issue,

Obama: Health care anger not motivated by his race

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President Barack Obama said Friday that angry criticisms about his health care agenda are driven by an intense debate over the proper role of government — and not by racism.

Time and again, Obama was asked about whether the tenor of the health care turned nasty because of undercurrents in racism. Former President Jimmy Carter raised the point prominently this week when he said the vitriol was racially motivated.

Not so, Obama said.


"Now there are some who are, setting aside the issue of race, actually I think are more passionate about the idea of whether government can do anything right," Obama said told ABC News. "And I think that that's probably the biggest driver of some of the vitriol."

Obama told CBS News that the media was partly to blame.

"The 24-hour news cycle and cable television and blogs and all this — they focus on the most extreme elements on both sides," Obama said. "They can't get enough of conflict. It's catnip to the media right now."

Amen brother, you just earned kudos from me, thank you.

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^I was impressed with this too, though I wonder if it's a case of "saving face".

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Obama told CBS News that the media was partly to blame.

"The 24-hour news cycle and cable television and blogs and all this — they focus on the most extreme elements on both sides," Obama said. "They can't get enough of conflict. It's catnip to the media right now."

That's without a doubt one of the most accurate statements I've seen Obama make.

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Originally posted by Donnie Darko
^I was impressed with this too, though I wonder if it's a case of "saving face".

Well a smart man would know you cannot cry wolf to many times.

To succeed he knows he has to stop angering the other side, this race issue just creates animosity, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO BE ACCUSED OF SOMETHING THEY ARE NOT GUILTY OF.

ENOUGH.

reply to post by TruthParadox

That's without a doubt one of the most accurate statements I've seen Obama make.

Yes as I said, what was carter thinking, I would really like to know.

reply to post by Primordial

Yeah, kinda similar to when these Obama supporters were asked why they supported him...

www.youtube.com...

Ah, yes, the infamous 'Sal in Harlem' tapes.

Notice the response you got....< crickets >....