Obama supports extending Patriot Act provisions

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Well here you go. For all of those who complained about Bush and the PATRIOT ACT...and rightfully so I might add....Obama plans on doing the same and continuing it. Will we hear anger from the left or will it be ignored....we all know Republicans will ignore it or snipe at the chance of hearing no criticism from the left...those who were strongly against the Patriot Act....as Libertarians were.

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Well of course he does. He apparently agrees with extending every 'provision' of every oppressive administration BEFORE his. He (and his supporters) will blame the Bush administration for creating a huge mess that Obama 'walked in to' but then continue the same assinine programs and wars that Bush did, and all the presidents before him did.

You really can't have it both ways. If Bush was so bad, you should distance yourself from his policies and change your actions to reflect that disdain.

When you continue the torture, drone strikes, troop commitments and reckless fiscal policy that Bush apparently began, how are you any different? Where is the change? A change in appearance?

No thanks. Short on substance, long on blame and rhetoric.

Change huh?

I suppose they just meant change of what was on the surface.

"Hey guys the people are really angry and upset."
"Give em' a black guy, they'll think he'll be different long enough for us to..."

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I believe the ball is actually in Congresses court on this issue. Will be interesting to see if they agree with the Patriot act provisions as is or will change them in some way.

Time for the Dems to show us what they really think of the Patriot act.

Y'know, I was a lifelong republican, until I was faced with the choice between McCain and Obama, I voted for Obama, not because of some cult of personality, but because of his campaign stances on repealing the Patriot Act, Health Care, Ending the Wars, et cetera.

Now make no mistake, I am NOT having any buyers remourse, given the same choices, I would vote the same way today, but I have been feeling a bit, let's say, "Let down" lately.

His weakening on a public option, his renewal of the Patriot Act, his decision to permit indefinite detentions without trial, and his bending to some of the most ridiculous, right wing, crazy talking points.

Sadly, we have not a democracy, not socialism, not communism, what we have now, and have had for quite some time now, is a "Corpocracy"...

The Corporations have all the money, all the lobbiests, all the influence, unfortunately the people have none.

Corpocracy.......... We are all doomed, doomed I tell you!!!

In light of what happened yesterday in NYC, this seems like perfect timing to push the Patriot Act provisions through for Obama. Oh, how those gears are turning on the ultimate spinning machine.

After reading the article and thank you for posting this thread by the way, this for me is why I don't believe Mr. Obama has any intentions of making positive change to our country.

His actions speak LOUDER then his well spoken words! Bush/Obama they're all the same with the same agenda of a NWO and control of the public!

It's all good, we're ready for the fight lol

Now is it okay to say LIAR?

2nd line....

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Just one of the MANY broken promises. When I look back at what he campaigned on...he said some things I agreed with. Anti-NAFTA, anti-Patriot Act, anti-War....etc.

He's coming through on NONE OF THESE. NONE. I hope the Liberals don't overlook all this because of the healthcare debate. This was a major hot topic during Bush's presidency...but it has faded....

ALONG WITH THE ANTI-WAR MOVEMENT!

My mother, a staunch Omaba-ite, tried to convince me, just the other day, that "he just needs more time" when I pointed out that, if *I* was to do as he promised, *I* would have taken office and immediately done what I could to dismantle the "Patriot" Act.

I tried to tell her he was just moving further with what Bush put in place. Maybe she'll listen now, eh?

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Again, why I stopped supporting Obama. I would hope that people will see something "larger" from this, and that is not that we need another Republican in office--after all, they were the ones to start this mess, but that we need an American in office. Someone who cares about America more than he cares about lining his own pockets when he gets out of office.

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Absolutely. This gives me optimism though...in an odd way. Republicans will gain seats...that's for sure...in the coming elections. No longer will they be able to sit on the sidelines and say they have nothing to do with what is happening...although they are hugely responsible for much of this before Democrats took control.

No longer will they skate by without criticism...they will have to back up "small government" principles..and I GUARANTEE they won't. GUARANTEED.

Tax cuts is NOT SMALL GOVERNMENT. It never was. It's just debt. That's all it is.

The cycle will repeat at least one more time. Then I think SHTF. No one is getting what they want...neither side.

I can't wait for the day people rise up and finally hold all those accountable for the corruption of what once a great country that stood for all that I thought was good in this world.

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I too have to confess I'm rather shocked.

Of the many "Changes" Obama made for his Election Platform, they included first-and-foremost...

1.) Ending the War in Iraq and Afghanistan and bringing our troops home.
2.) Closing Guantanamo
3.) Reversing Executive Orders and controversial Security Policies (such as the Patriot Act), in dramatic gestures aimed at reversing President Bush’s accumulation of Executive Power and Privilege.

He didn't do #1
He didn't do #2
He is now choosing to extend rather than reverse #3

Well, this Flip-Flop makes three strikes in my book.

Boo to Obama!

Although it makes you wonder what made this wet-behind the ears Senator change his tune so dramatically after taking Office!

Was it something Bush said in the Presidential "Book of Secrets"?
Was he strong-armed by TPTB who secretly pull the President's strings?
Was he privy to some privileged information that only Presidents are given?
Was he onboard all along and ran a successful grift on the American public from the beginning?
Did he suffer a head-trauma after bumping his head on the top of the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office wondering if there really was a secret compartment hidden in it?
Was he replaced by an Alien Doppleganger after he won the election?
Inquiring minds really would like to know!

So, it looks like we'll have the Patriot Act for another year. Really, who else besides the President thinks that the Patriot Act ever was a good idea? Have Americans benefited in any way from the Patriot Act thus far almost a decade later? Is the Patriot Act worth the sacrifice of Liberty and Freedom for the gain of a false sense of Security?

I was talking with my Mom about this. That is her theory, when he got into office and was briefed something was horrible enough to change his mind.

I would tend to give that theory some thought if it was the only thing he did different then what he promised.

Maybe that is really what he meant by change? That he was going to change his mind about everything.


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This is disappointing, but not surprising.

It seems that whoever is in charge of it, the Executive Branch has an agenda of it's own, to increase it's own power.

This has been increasingly true across both parties, from Reagan to Clinton to Bush to Obama - it's a problem that seems remarkably independent of the elected leadership's ideology, and a worrying sign that the bureaucracy of the federal government and especially the Executive branch has so much power to set the agenda, no elected leadership is in a position to buck the trend.

Not sure why this would be a shock to anyone. The same ones holding Bush's leash is the same holding one's holding Obomber's. What we have here is Bush for a third term.

If there is anything to be shocked about, it's those who still believe Obomber actually cares about them. How will they feel after another 3 years of him? That's assuming this nation can last that long.

Of course you realise that all of you are racist. Because the only possible reason to disagree with Obama is because you're racist. I don't like his out of control spending. I guess that makes me racist.

I guess I must have been racist when I opposed Bushes out of control spending too.

..you people still don't understand..

They are all muppets..they all work for the same network of people that control the world..

There is no Democrats or Republicans with Politicians..there is only ONE AFFILIATION....

As a far-left Ultra-Liberal i have to say...this is sick...



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What promise did he break? He never promised to end the patriot act.
Even then, he is only extending three prongs of it.

One of which has never even been used.

Don't forget he voted against making the patriot act perm.


He has kept it as limited as possible.



CHICAGO (AP) - To the cheers of thousands of librarians, U.S. Sen. Barack Obama on Saturday called for the Senate to rewrite the USA Patriot Act to prevent investigators from scanning library records and bookstore sales slips.




Also, when voting on re-authorizing the patriot act, this is his speech from 2005:




So he is keeping exactly with his agenda.

While I do not support the PA whatsover, I consider it pretty diplomatic to keep some provisions to keep people feeling safe and to fight terrorism(whether you think it exists or not is not the point here) but try to limit it as much as possible.

Wow, was just about to post this. You guys are quick! That's a good thing though, glad we got a dedicated team here

As for the whole extending the patriot act...can we really say we didn't see this coming?