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Cryptograms on Gold bars from China

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posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 11:06 AM
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Hi Everyone

I came across an interesting mystery that given the ability of a lot of ATS to dig and research subjects I had to bring this to the forum.


here is a link from International Association for Cryptologic Research site

www.iacr.org...

The following mystery was brought to IACR by the curator of a museum in the US. I don't have the complete story, but it seems that seven gold bars were allegedly issued to a General Wang in Shanghai, China, in 1933. These gold bars appear to represent metal certificates related to a bank deposit with a U.S. Bank. The gold bars themselves have pictures, Chinese writing, some form of script writing, and cryptograms in latin letters.

Also some quick background on WANG

en.wikipedia.org...

Who know what this can bring but it sure looks cool and maybe even a project to take on

Cheers




posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 11:10 AM
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Don't know what to make of the pictograms.. very weird looking.

That being said.. since the bars are from China.. I'd check them for lead... just in case.



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 11:26 AM
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Jeez all they realy had to do was put a "Made in China" sticker on it. I see those everywhere...


MessOnTheFED!



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 11:37 AM
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It says "Ha Ha Ha the US has no gold, the jokes on you, these bars come from Rockefeller and Co consider it a gift"


I don't know what it says but it does look interesting, and will give me something to do. Nice find.



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 11:41 AM
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from the wikipage:

He assumed his post in the Hague in 1931, and served out his term until 1936.


It's a real mystery. He would have been in an excellent place to meet all kinds of people.



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 11:53 AM
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I can clean up all of the images within about an hour if needed. For easier reading. Please give me a bit, as I'm at work.



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 01:12 PM
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still looking at this one and was able to find a couple more references

top 10 enduring unbroken codes

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Article Preview
$300,000,000 Gold Returned To Reserve Banks in 7 Days

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Not sure what to make of this one but it's dated 1933 oddly enough



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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Those pictographs are Chinese words. I live in Taiwan. My Chinese is not so good but I can read a few of them.
EDIT: Sorry - I just scrolled down and saw the rest of the bars. I don't know what to make of them


[edit on 9/15/2009 by fomalhaut]



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 01:17 PM
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Possibly more clues here

Executive Order 6102 was enacted in 1933 stopping Americans from hoarding gold

en.wikipedia.org...

why would there be a China link? HMMMM



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 01:25 PM
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anything you can translate could be interesting and helpful

thanks for looking!

Cheers



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 01:39 PM
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Thanks for the heads up on that.
I love a good challenge. I don't have a subscription to the NYT but I do have access to old papers from elsewhere.

This is the "The Journal and Republican" from Lowville, NY Thursday March 15 1933.

Image is as clean as I could get it.


What it says:


The Federal Reserve Bank of New York announced last night that it had received $28,000,000 gold and gold certififcats yesterday, making a total of $174,000,000 gold restored to its reserves since March 7. For the entire country bankers estimate at least $300,000,00 gold has come out of hoarding or been turned in by banking institutions to swell the credit (bast?) of the central banking system.
On the basis of the legal reserve requirements of 40 per cent gold backing for Federal Reserve notes, the $300,000,000 recovered by the Federal Reserve Banks could support $750,000,000 of additional circulation.
Of the $28,000,000 taken in yesterday by the New York bank of issue, $13,000,000 was to coin and $15,000,000 in gold certificates.


So it doesn't have much to do with the gold bars in question, as far as I can tell.





[edit on 15-9-2009 by warrenb]



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 01:54 PM
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cool Warrenb

The only thing I see is that the 300 million is the same.
Could 300 million been collected so it could be sent to china?



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 02:05 PM
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It was illegal for Americans to own gold for investment purposes since President Roosevelt signed Executive Order 6102 on April 5, 1933. It wasn't until Dec 31, 1974 when Americans could own once again own gold coins, bars and certificates.




posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 02:06 PM
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This is my expert and highly thought out translation:



America HA HA HA HA!



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 09:14 AM
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hey there

I thought that we haven't had any bites on the cryptogram I would post a sample of it looks like

www.iacr.org...


Cryptograms from the Chinese gold bars
For example, one of the bars has the following arrangement: 20K jpeg

HLMTAHGBGFNIV
ZUQUPNZN ABRYCTUGVZXUPB
MVERZRLQDBHQ
GKJFHYXODIE UGMNCBXCFLDBEY
VIOHIKNNGUAB
HFXPCQYZVATXAWIZPVE

If you turn the bar around, the other end of the bar has the following lines, interspersed with lines of Chinese characters:

JKGFIJPMCWSAEK
SKCDKJCDJCYQSZKTZJPXPWIRN
MQOLCSJTLGAJOKBSSBOMUPCE
FEWGDRHDDEEUMFFTEEMJXZR
RHZVIYQIYSXVNQXQWIOVWPJO
MQOLCSJTLGAJOKBSSBOMUPCE
FEWGDRHDDEEUMFFTEEMJXZR
SKCDKJCDJCYQSZKTZJPXPWIRN
RHZVIYQIYSXVNQXQWIOVWPJO
MQOLCSJTLGAJOKBSSBOMUPCE
SKCDKJCDJCYQSZKTZJPXPWIRN



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