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Life is just an Illusion.

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posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 01:50 PM
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Life is just an Illusion


This isn't a new theory, by any means

My grandfather, an undertaker, mused that 'life' may be just the imaginings of a 'bug', flying through space. He was wont to theorise thus, back in the 1920s and probably earlier and later than that




posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 01:53 PM
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Therefor i am creating my Matrix?


No, your living in the current matrix. But it is possible to live outside of the matrix, if you understand the rules. Theoretically you could create your own matrix, but it would require a very good understanding and hard work on your part.



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 01:58 PM
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Life is very real, its just how we perceive it that's the illusion.

[edit on 15-9-2009 by Maj._Skillz]



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 02:11 PM
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Will do man.

On the concept of De Ja Vu, i'm gonna make a new thread on it.
I've recently found myself to be able to induce De Ja Vu's at will. Sounds abit strange, i'll explain more in the thread. Probably make it later tonight.

reply to post by St Vaast
 


It's a theory that's being going on for thousands of years.

I am new in this life, thus having to get my head around it. I'm not claiming to have been the one to "create" this theory, i'm just the one trying to understand something the ancients have known for alot longer than we can imagine.

reply to post by 12.21.12
 


Then how do i do this.
I'm just as powerful as every other human.

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I perceive the illusion as an illusion. Therefore my perception is the illusion, yes?

Namaste.



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by JacobNH

I used to think i understood that statement.

Our physical plane is very well an illusion.


It's sort of irrelevant to differentiate.


It is not real.


That's where everything falls apart. What is real? There best I have been able to come up with is that real is something relative and stubborn in relation to another thing.


You see, sound is just a vibration until it is interpretated (sp?) by the brain. Objects are just light until they are interpretated by the brain.


Now you've suggested the physical plane is not an illusion and that really the interpretation by our senses is not its true nature but rather a limited analogue of it represented by qualia. However, science has assisted in making that understanding more accessible.


That makes sense. The world is an illusion, that is interpretated by the brain. But what does that make the brain?


The brain itself really is a machine, just like a washer and dryer set. Either can be simulated.


The brain turns vibrations and light into something more "digestable" that creates the reality we live in.


The sense organs are transducers with well-defined relationships between the stimulus and the electrical impulses they produce for the brain's consumption and interpretive processing.


But what is the brain then?


Squishy and delicious if you're a zombie.


I used to think the brain did nothing, it was just the physical representation for the Soul, and that everything the brain did, was just the Soul.


It does something. Hack at it and the material entity is altered. There's no doubt about that.


After questioning it more and more, the more i can't get my head around it.


Don't bother. It's doesn't fit there. The data bus is narrow and slowly clocked.


Someone, explain to me how the world is an illusion.

Explain the Matrix to me.


In a video game, the entities built from data and logical operations are real to one another but much more dream like in relation to the larger reality outside the gaming hardware. Yet, their actions and operation subtly alter that world by way of the configuation of hardware circuits (logic gates, power supplies, electrical currents, brain) and tranducers (screen, speakers, eyes, ears). These dream-like entities can produce large effects for good or ill in the strata above them if they get enough attention.



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 03:14 PM
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Reality is the thing i am questioning.

In this sense, i am edging towards the general modern day belief that anything not physical isn't real.
So what i'm saying is that this world is physical, but infact the physical world is all representations of the "real" world which isn't physical.
These representations are the illusion.

Im suggesting the brain interpretations the physical reality around is, making it seam real.
I'm asking there, that if the brain creates our surrounds, then what creates our brain.


It does something. Hack at it and the material entity is altered. There's no doubt about that.


Ah, you see, you're refering to what it does in a physical sense. What i am saying is that it does have a physical effect on our bodys, obviously, but the way you can "think" with it, anaylise with it, that is the real brain activity, inwhich the brain isn't the thing doing so, that is the soul.

Thanks for your input.

Oh, and if you're feeling it too, i'm going to apologize for the feel of "one up man ship" that i might be giving off right now.


Namaste.



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 03:15 PM
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Then how do i do this.
I'm just as powerful as every other human.


To live outside of the matrix. You must understand that the matrix itself is a program engineered to look and feel like reality, however the matrix itself is only a blueprint, you are only bound by the rules you allow yourself to believe. Therefore if you can set a goal and implement it, write it down, draw it, bring it to life.

You must understand that the blueprint is a storyboard that can be modified. The blue prints are more important because they outline specific goals. In order for a major change to happen here on earth, there must be a wirlpool of conciouscness. However you alone can only create a ripple. Changes occur when there is a global conscious shift or that which has a vast majority or an area of consensus.

The world is a stage and their are groups, mostly religious groups that as individuals of these groups play very small but essential parts in bringing events to play out on the global stage. These events are meant to draw an emotional response, often times a tragic response, but there are also responses that can be drawn to comedy or romance. Therefor when you react to a certain event that happens here on earth. Those who are the vast majority who respond in a certain manner, manifest reality. So for instance on 9/11 the vast majority was upset and wanted justice, therefor this allowed for a major shift in consciouscness that for many was based on negativity, but for some positively. It is all how you percieve things. That is what determines what happens next.

The matrix itself is a blueprint, therefor there is no party that has absolute control over it. It is a consciescness of it's own. A collection of thoughts.

The matrix can be reprogrammed I imagine, but to reprogram it you would need to account for mathematically a formula that is sustainable for life.



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 03:18 PM
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Hey Liveforever,
I finished reading that book maybe 3-4 months ago. I believe much of what Talbot hypothesizes (and the scientists he cites) to be true.
My question is, how do you take this knowledge from an intellectual to a day to day reality.
Any ideas?



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 03:20 PM
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Ive always likened all that is to a mirror. The world is a reflection. My state of being is my world. But if i had to know what I was it would be everything I am not.. Am and am going to be.



Or a jelly doughnut.. Not sure which yet.



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 03:23 PM
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"Are you your foot? No you're not your foot. Are you your hand? No you're not your hand. You're not even your brain. Technically 'you' and 'me' are just a concept, an illusion created by the mechanical animal struggling to understand its own circuitry. Religiously speaking you are a soul but let's forget about that for a moment because we don't see our souls either. Nobody knows where the soul is. If you cut off your hand, and you have a soul you will not lose your soul, right? So what are you? Where do you exist? You are like a lap and you know you have a lap when you're sitting down but when you stand up it's gone. You are a concept created by the machine to understand its own programming.

That's my take."

That's a pretty good take on things. The Bonn and I believe some of the Buddhists sects use a mantra where they start out thinking of themselves as they normally perceive themselves. Then they start asking questions:
"Am I still me if I lose my left pinky?"
"Am I still me if I lose my hair?"
"Am I still me if I lose my arm?"
"Am I still me if I lose my job?"

Basically they strip away their entire physical being and whatever emotional and intellectual connections they have with themselves (we all have them. many of us create connections with our pain and, thus, the pain becomes part of our personality and ego) until there is nothing left of "them". But obviously they are still there in some form.



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by JacobNH
reply to post by EnlightenUp
 


Reality is the thing i am questioning.


You to huh? What a fortunate coincidence I showed up here. The sign outside said "palm reading" but upon asking to use the restroom, much more interesting activites were revealed.


In this sense, i am edging towards the general modern day belief that anything not physical isn't real.


Yeah, well. They have major issues, especially themselves as contrary evidence.


So what i'm saying is that this world is physical, but infact the physical world is all representations of the "real" world which isn't physical.


What's physical?


These representations are the illusion.


Bunk. Illusions point to their own nature and are inseparable from the nature of their source.


Im suggesting the brain interpretations the physical reality around is, making it seam real.
I'm asking there, that if the brain creates our surrounds, then what creates our brain.


It doesn't create the surrounds. There doesn't even have to be surrounds nor does there have to be a brain in some real, substanial sense of it in itself. The brain and all surrounds can be a representation created by something greater. Ah, contradiction? Not quite. What's a similated brain in simulated surrounds? Is it a brain in surrounds or not? Yes and no.


It does something. Hack at it and the material entity is altered. There's no doubt about that.



Ah, you see, you're refering to what it does in a physical sense. What i am saying is that it does have a physical effect on our bodys, obviously, but the way you can "think" with it, anaylise with it, that is the real brain activity, inwhich the brain isn't the thing doing so, that is the soul.


Yes, I am referring to what it does in the physical sense since it is part of the body just like the liver, pacreas, kidneys, etc.

The soul, the soul. Naked, it really is without that tool called the brain to make the body do things and the brain do things. The brain restricts the infinite potential of the soul enough so experience can be manifest to it. The brain interface is an intricate network of sould blinders arranged as information processing units.

Much like an LCD display, there is an undifferentiated surface of "pure" white light behind it (really it is all potential images in one, all things combined). To make a meaningful image, the pixels selectively filter that light.


Oh, and if you're feeling it too, i'm going to apologize for the feel of "one up man ship" that i might be giving off right now.


Namaste.


No, I wasn't feeling that. I was feeling misunderstood and/or not fully realized.



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 04:04 PM
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So the Matrix is very much a test of faith.
Believe it, you can do it.

This is why 2012 will happen. I don't know what, but something big. Attention has/is focused on an event happening, and therefore that focus is going to create an event.
The world is subconsciously manifesting an event.

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If you were a jelly donut, i'd eat you.
But it depends. You should be a jelly donut that doesn't contain gelatine.

But on a serious note, i like that mirror idea.

reply to post by EnlightenUp
 


There is no such thing as coincidences



What's physical?


If i can touch it, with my bare hands, it's physical.



It doesn't create the surrounds. There doesn't even have to be surrounds nor does there have to be a brain in some real, substanial sense of it in itself. The brain and all surrounds can be a representation created by something greater. Ah, contradiction? Not quite. What's a similated brain in simulated surrounds? Is it a brain in surrounds or not? Yes and no.


I like that, if not slightly mind-boggling.

Namaste.



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 04:23 PM
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So the Matrix is very much a test of faith.
Believe it, you can do it.


Not really. The matrix is a blueprint for humanity. Faith is more less a trap. Survival is important.



This is why 2012 will happen. I don't know what, but something big. Attention has/is focused on an event happening, and therefore that focus is going to create an event.
The world is subconsciously manifesting an event.

 


2012 is about Natural selection. The key to survival is a paradigm shift of consciouscness.

[edit on 15-9-2009 by 12.21.12]



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by JacobNH
There is no such thing as coincidences


There is such things as convenient terms to express a series of causes too complex and unknown to be enumerated and accounted.


Originally posted by JacobNH

What's physical?


If i can touch it, with my bare hands, it's physical.


In principle or immediate actuality? Do you hold that if you can't touch it, it's not physical? That isn't an assertion but a query into your thinking because the converse is not necessarily true. You cannot currently touch Jupiter with your bare hands.

But then we have to say what hand?

Perhaps it's fair to ask if you can touch your consciousness with your bare hands.


I like that, if not slightly mind-boggling.


It points to the physical or real being relative, thus your hand in relation to something else, not real in itself. In a different filtering of awareness brought about by system of a different nature, this world could easily be thought of as perfectly imaginary, unreal, unphysical and intangible while another of no interaction with this one would seem as substantial, real, physical and tangible as this so-call "material" realm is, I presume, to you now.

Edit to add: I seem to observe a trends in which our technology more and more faithfully over time represents reality as it "really is". The analogy of our creations gains fidelity. Computer hardware and software are a much improved analogy over the use of sticks and stones. We're a distinct advantage over previous generations to lift veils of mystery, assuming we're the first humans to really develop that area to a high degree.

[edit on 9/15/2009 by EnlightenUp]



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 04:45 PM
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Nice prose...what if our reality actually WAS a computer game played by some being?



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 04:49 PM
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I could touch Jupiter with my bare hands. Just be damn hard too.
If it makes it easier, we can take it to an atomic level. If its made of atoms, it's physical.



No, i can't touch consciousness with my barehands. Which is why i believe our consciousness is the soul.

Namaste.



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by JacobNH
No, i can't touch consciousness with my barehands. Which is why i believe our consciousness is the soul.


In a certain way I agree, but it is the filtering that allows it to actually experience that consciouness, otherwise all would be an undifferentiated mass of ALL to it.

Redeemer mentioned the Tao Te Ching which talks of the "uncarved block". Now we have the "backlit, normally white, LCD display"-- a slightly more accurate analogy expressing the same idea.

[edit on 9/15/2009 by EnlightenUp]



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 06:45 PM
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No illusion, thats why you can't find it. We choose this life for ourselves excitingly before we ever lived it. Materialism has distorted our views of life and thats why you feel its an illusion, because you do not desire material things. This material I've been reading along side with my own spirtiual experiences I had before starting to read it have made me very peaceful inside. The material I'd recommend to you called The Law of One and you can google it and read it for free, just start reading from session one and you will find instructions on establishing your "illusion". Please message me if you got questions/comments...



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 06:47 PM
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oh my goodness
i said those exact words last night to my mother. and though almost the same things.
who are you, and do we share the same brain?



posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 07:02 PM
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This could help you out, or it could confuse you more ..


www.lawofone.info...


Thus many, many dimensions, infinite in number, are possible. The energy moves from the intelligent infinity due first to the outpouring of randomized creative force, this then creating patterns which in holographic style appear as the entire creation no matter which direction or energy is explored. These patterns of energy begin then to regularize their own local, shall we say, rhythms and fields of energy, thus creating dimensions and universes.


It's an interesting concept to begin contemplating. I found my understanding finally coming from deep meditation.







 
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