It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
I am curious.
There seems to be massive distrust of government, and implicit trust of corporations here. And I don't get it.
Originally posted by warrenb
Which threads on ATS made you believe that this was the case?
I've never seen even one post that was promoting implicit trust in a corporation on ATS.
Can you point them all out for me?
Do not try to lecture someone on "mantras" until you fetter yours first. Did you even really read what I wrote? No you just made assumptions.
Originally posted by Sestias
reply to post by I_am_Spartacus
Reagan, I believe, was the first one to say '" government can't solve the problem, government is the problem." Since then it's been the Republican mantra, and unfettered capitalism their ideal.
Before Reagan, Republican presidents like Eisenhower and Nixon, while still ardent capitalists, acknowledged that there was a place for government in America.
I am Spartacus, your defense of laissez faire capitalism puts you in the corporatist camp. Without some restrictions on corporations, especially the big powerful ones, capitalism runs amok and creates disasters like the one the U.S. just had to bail the country out of. There have to be some regulations and boundaries on corporate greed, which, as we have just witnessed, is boundless.
Letting the free market completely regulate itself has been disastrous for the country.
Originally posted by Sestias
reply to post by I_am_Spartacus
Capitalism runs amok and creates disasters like the one the U.S. just had to bail the country out of.
[edit on 16-9-2009 by Sestias]
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
The fear comes from not trusting an entity that is so large it is above the law. An entity that can do whatever it wants to to you and your property and answer to no one.
In this regard government is no different than some giant corporation and both share my distrust. The difference is that right now government can kick in my door, shoot my children, drag my wife off to who knows where and toss in one of it's prisons just because it feels like it. The corporations can't, at least not as directly, they would have to work within the government using their extensive connections and influence to commit such an act.
It's not as elementary as "if you dont trust one you must be some supporter of the other." Only a fool would believe so.
Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
The fear comes from not trusting an entity that is so large it is above the law. An entity that can do whatever it wants to to you and your property and answer to no one.
In this regard government is no different than some giant corporation and both share my distrust. The difference is that right now government can kick in my door, shoot my children, drag my wife off to who knows where and toss in one of it's prisons just because it feels like it. The corporations can't, at least not as directly, they would have to work within the government using their extensive connections and influence to commit such an act.
It's not as elementary as "if you dont trust one you must be some supporter of the other." Only a fool would believe so.
Unfortunately that is the way many conservatives act though... Hannity, Beck, Boortz, Limbaugh etc...
But you are right... they are fools.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Allow me a reply that will probably not make conservatives happy, but is accurate nonetheless:
Conservative politicians (both Republican and Democrat) generally have strong corporate ties, and they continue the facade.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
the corporate structure exists not just to perform a duty, but to make a profit.
Social Security is not corporate-driven. I'm at a bit of a loss as to why you would think that. The money that has been extorted from the Social Security trust fund is not the result of corporations; it is the result of unscrupulous politicians spending money they didn't have without raising taxes (they simply diverted one tax into another account).
the concept of 'privatization' was somewhat of a misnomer; the idea was not to allow corporate entities to take over the Social Security operations, but to allow individuals to voluntarily choose to invest up to 5% of their contribution through regulated corporate venues
and could not affect those over a certain age (since any such re-routing of their contributions would have little to no benefit due to the short investment period).
there will be nothing to draw. ... Thank you to everyone who helped make this possible by opposing 'privatization'.
Medicare pays less than the going rate for most procedures.
Now, I know it is politically expedient today to rant against profit.
But i ask you, would you continue working at your job if you no longer got paid? No, of course you wouldn't. Your pay is your profit. Your profit is the very reason you take time away from doing the things you enjoy to work. Without that profit motive, there is no work, there is no efficiency, there is no advancement. Without profit, there is no economy.
Instead of an election every two years where you can vote for someone you never heard of, you vote for a corporation every time you buy their product. Without paying customers, there can be no corporate entity.
The problem is we don't seem to care that we are voting; we just pay our money and go our way, whining about how terrible the people we just voted for are.
Come to think of it, maybe there is a lot in common between corporate and political...