EMP Attack Could Wipe Out U.S., page 1
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Topic started on 14-9-2009 @ 10:43 AM by KSPigpen
The federal government is doing “nothing” to protect against an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack that could wipe out American civilization, Dr. Peter Vincent Pry, a leading expert on the subject, tells Newsmax.


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For only $200 million to $400 million, the government could protect a key element of the power grid to keep electrical power from being wiped out for years, according to Dr. Pry, a former staff member of the congressional Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse Attack.

Yet neither Republicans nor Democrats have been willing to spend that small sum, says Pry, who is president EMPACT America, which is meeting in Niagara Falls, N.Y. this week to spotlight the scandal.


A single nuclear bomb exploded over the Midwest would generate an electromagnetic pulse that would destroy the chips that are at the heart of every electronic device. While military and intelligence networks may be shielded against EMP, most of the rest of the country’s technological infrastructure is not.
An EMP attack would wipe out personal computers and the internet. Cars would not start, gasoline pumps would not work, and airplanes could not take off.
Heat and air conditioning would shut down, supermarkets would have to close, telephones would go dead, water would go out, and radio and television sets would not turn on.
Banks and ATMs would shut down, credit cards would become useless, and emergency services and hospital operating rooms would close.
In the ensuing chaos, most Americans would die from starvation.


The 2008 report of the congressional commission found that the country is shockingly unprepared for an EMP attack. Terrorists or countries like Iran or North Korea could launch an EMP attack and “possibly end us as a civilization, and take us out as an actor on the world stage,” Pry says.

At the least, Pry says, 100 to 200 large transformers used in electrical transmission should be protected against EMP attack


Read these ATS threads:

ATS - American Hiroshima about to unfold

ATS - 36 Hours Until Nuclear Strike

There are a few more. Rather than focus on the number of dead from the blast, I think the threat of EMP is more substantial.

It is a huge deal, and TPTB seem a lot more interested in making sure we can all get vaccinated, or have access to healthcare. I'm sure THEIR facilities are already hardened. How are YOURS?

Rather than worry about six or seven suitcase nukes, we really only need to worry about ONE.

I'm sure that will make it less fearful for you.


reply posted on 14-9-2009 @ 10:58 AM by fraterormus
We forget how dependent we are on Computers and Data in this Information Age, and how none of our systems are prepared to handle Data Loss from an EMP, either intentional, unintentional, or through an Act of God (like Sunspot Activity). Backing up to CD or DVD doesn't help as those are still Magnetic-Optical Systems as well.

It really wouldn't take much to cripple our nation.

The D.o.D. conducted a military exercise over a decade ago where they took 6 hackers off the street and gave them $2400 to buy off-the-shelf consumer equipment and put them in remote places around the world with a week in which to wreck as much havoc as they could on a parallel computer network that simulated the D.o.D. system, as well as the American Infrastructure. Those 6 hackers, in this simulation, were able to cripple the entire United States, from Emergency Services, Power, to the Military itself...and they didn't even rely on using an EMP!

As we are entirely dependent upon "what the computer tells us", we are vulnerable in many ways to attack that would be far more devastating than any Dirty-Nuke or repeat of 9/11 style attacks.

And what they say about our Power Infrastructure is entirely true. We have swapped out the Mechanical Switches with Computerized ones decades ago, to ensure better monitoring, prevent Blackouts and Rolling Brown-Outs, and to better automatically re-route Power in the event of downed Power-lines. If those Computerized Switches were damaged in an EMP, Americans would be without Power for potentially weeks while they were replaced. Forget about the average American who wouldn't know what to do without heat, lighting, television, hair-dryers, and computers...but think about how much of the rest of our Infrastructure is dependent upon computers that need Electricity!

Worse yet, think about how much of our Infrastructure is dependent upon bits of data that are stored on Servers, that if lost, would cause our Market to Crash far worse than any Financial Scandal or Goldman Sachs orchestrated Crash.

Unfortunately, most of our Congress are still living in the Stone Age and have no idea how our Infrastructure works, let alone how, what and why we should protect it. All they see is a price-tag of $200 - 400 million and wonder if their constituents would allow them to justify such an expense in an already Deficit Spending Budget.


reply posted on 14-9-2009 @ 11:03 AM by metamagic



reply posted on 14-9-2009 @ 11:36 AM by Estharik
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Do you have a link to the article or could tell me where to find it? Regarding the DoD recruiting off the street hackers etc.... I'd like to read that. Thanks in advance


reply posted on 14-9-2009 @ 11:39 AM by muggl3z
I was listening/watching Jack Van Impe presents (www.jvim.com...) last night before I dozed off.

Even they were talking about a impending EMP attack from Russia.


reply posted on 14-9-2009 @ 12:08 PM by fraterormus
Originally posted by Estharik
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Do you have a link to the article or could tell me where to find it? Regarding the DoD recruiting off the street hackers etc.... I'd like to read that. Thanks in advance


The name of the Operation was Eligible Receiver 97. The exercise was held June 9-13, 1997. The Hacker Red Team (opposing force) was arranged and monitored by the N.S.A. They successfully gained root access to over 36 government networks and infiltrated and took control of U.S. Pacific Command computer systems as well as power grids and 911 systems in nine major U.S. Cities.

Most of the details of Eligible Receiver 97 remain classified, especially considering that in early 1998 this was duplicated by hackers during Solar Sunrise, which was a seemingly concerted attack on the DoD coming from Germany, Israel, Iraq, United Arab Emirates (UAE), France, and Taiwan to disrupt Military intervention into Iraq that turned out to be nothing more than the shenanigans of two teenage hackers from California.



reply posted on 14-9-2009 @ 12:12 PM by vBreezo
Yes, I agree. I am in the hospitality / retail business and have seen a steady migration to on-line, electronic transactions, especially during the past 10 years. Just about ALL of our business, from daily sales transactions, purchasing, bill payment, financial management and reporting is done via computer with a majority of it performed "on-line".

We have invested in the best routers, switches, firewall technology, multiple servers, etc to protect us from hackers and sabotage. But an EMP device or extreme solar activity? No, there is not much we can do to protect against that. As we increase our use of wireless devices we become even more vulnerable.

There are still those who think we connect directly to satellites with our dish antennas and cell phones. No - we connect to the closest hill-top antenna system, which in turn are communicating with other hilltop systems which eventually connect to an actual earth based satellite communication center. When those centers fail, all electronic communications will cease. Our entire society and economy is dependent on communications. The more technologically advanced we become, the more vulnerable we are.

I belong to sustainable living / survival groups. From what I have seen, even among those who are aware of the perilous times we are in, my feeling is that we cannot survive a complete shutdown of the communication / transportation system. We have forgotten how to live in harmony with the earth. Only in the most remote areas where people are already living in semi-primitive conditions, will there be survivors.

Have we (humanity) gone through this phase before?


reply posted on 14-9-2009 @ 02:02 PM by KSPigpen
Originally posted by jtma508
Keep in mind that the real risk from EMP requires a high altitude nuclear detonation of a device in the 10+kt range minimum. And by high altitude I mean really high. No terrorists with a smuggled Russian or home built nuke are going to pull this off. Unless they can get their hands on a ballistic missile as well. The only practical scenario would be for a technologically developed country (Russia or China) to do this. And it would require an outrageous set of circumstances for them to risk the nuclear crapstorm that would come their way if they did. And they know that.

To truly 'wipe out the US infrastructure' would require launches of nuclear devices to very high altitudes. Unless the devices was very large and very high it would require multiples. These launches would be detected almost immediately and the offending countries would be attacked instantly and with overwhelming force. That is our current standing nuclear doctrine. It is published for all nations to see.

Nuclear detonations at lower altitudes would still have an EMP effect but it would be localized requiring numerous detonations to take out the entire US. To EMP the entire country with one detonation would require that detonation to be done at an altitude of roughly 300 miles. You could do it with two at 100 miles altitude and maybe three at 30miles altitude. But getting the devices up that high isn't something easily done.



Just for the sake of argument....
The scientific principles behind generating a high-altitude EMP are relatively simple. If a nuclear weapon is detonated between 25 miles and 300 miles above the earth's surface, the radiation from the explosion interacts with air molecules to produce high-energy electrons that speed across the earth's magnetic field as an instantaneous, invisible electromagnetic pulse.5


Heritage.org

The balloon is usually filled with hydrogen due to lower cost, though helium can be used as a substitute. The ascent rate can be controlled by the amount of gas with which the balloon is filled. Weather balloons may reach altitudes of 40 km (25 miles) or more, limited by diminishing pressures causing the balloon to expand to such a degree (typically by a 100:1 factor) that it disintegrates. In this instance the instrument package is usually lost. Above that altitude sounding rockets are used.


Wiki link on weather stuff

You think THIS might be high enough?



This was taken by a group of kids that launch a balloon to 36 Kilometers.
One source

Necessity is the mother of invention....or innovation...and rarely is technology exploited more than when we use it to kill someone we hate.


reply posted on 14-9-2009 @ 02:32 PM by jtma508
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The only problem with this technique is that these weapons are exceedingly heavy. A minimum size for an EMP high altitude burst would be 10+kt. If the perpetrators were able to get their hands on a military weapon (highly sophisticated engineering) the package would weight 500+ lbs. If it was a home-brew it could easily weight twice that at a minimum.

Weather balloons simply don't have the lift capacity to get something that heavy, that high. You might be able to build one to lift a load that large but I don't believe it would be able to get to altitude. Balloon design gets to be self-limiting relative to load capacity, size and altitude. That is, the larger the load you want to lift, the larger the balloon must be which requires more material for the balloon etc.
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