I suppose the thing that bothers me most is the misuse of window dressing and terminology, and especially the nitpicking among our enemy, trying to selectively pick and choose each one.

Back off for a moment. Back way the hell up.

Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, Islam, for the first time since the early ninth century has again declared Holy War against all non-Muslims.

We're seeing the front-end of a long-term struggle. Right now, there are many moderate Muslims who haven't bought in, but you'll see in time, that the fence straddlers will be forced to comply with the commands of Allah, and the example of his prophet, Muhammed.

If you're so damned ignorant that you buy into the Islamic apologists line of BS, you are beyond ignorant. Invest some time, study the stuff, and if you speak English, read the multiple translations of Bukhari, Muslim, Ishaq, and Tabari.

In spite of what the Muslims SAY, this is what they read as this is what they are taught. Not just the Qur'an, who is supposed to be Allah speaking. Read what Muhammed believed, did, and teaches.

I know this isn't politically correct to point out, and I know I'll get flamed by Muslim apologists, but for God's sake - recognize what's really going on.

The beginnings of a Holy War.

You think something like this is impossible in this modern day and age? If you do, you're an idiot. A blind idiot in denial.

Once you recognize it for what it is, you'll see that we have been reducing concentrations of the more militant and more bloodthirsty holy warriors.

Jesus. Recognize what is right in front of you.

And forget the little-boy pissing contests.

Dooper you should do some research on Islam and the quran, if you have muslim friends ask them. You are wrong, there is no holy war for a good muslim, on the contrary, the quran says they must respect other people and their faith.

As to the OP, I'm going to keep working the OBL as CIA Stooge angle here since there is so much evidence in its favor. Keep in mind the fact that "CIA Stooge" is really little more than microcosmic shorthand for a Directly Manipulated Puppet of the Same Masters to Which the CIA and Other Powerful Organizations Are Entirely Beholden.

When you find yourself agreeing with the points made in these videos, you have to ask hit this thing with the 5 W's:

Who is going to be able to look past the messengers as the message itself?

What do the "terrorists" really hope to accomplish by addressing an audience which they know fears and reviles them?

Where are these videos coming from that all of our ridiculous technology and financial resources can not be used to track them back to their source?

When do these videos actually correspond to future events rather than serving as a ubiquitous non-story?

Why are these videos still considered

NEWS

even when they are nothing more than boilerplate rhetoric?

When you look at these factors, you will see that there is no legitimate reason for a terrorist organization aimed at undermining the United States to release these videos. It only serves to associate rational concerns re: the direction and action of our government with the irrational actions of the fundamentalist loons.

Surely this group, undoubtedly trained in psy-ops, knows that they're message will not polish their image, but that their image will tarnish their message.

Besides, there is no way that these messages can continuously be produced in the wilderness and shipped through to the various media outlets without a trail being left. The Government relies on the public being so distracted by the fear and anxiety generated by the Bogeyman's guest appearance that they never stop to wonder why we haven't stormed the bedroom closet yet.

This is nothing more than a form of Dis-info.

It may give the "terrorists" more credibility in your eyes but it destroys your credibility in the eyes of the millions who see the terrorists as being genuinely separate from and in opposition to their own government.

Originally posted by WWJFKD
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And why is it that our own FBI couldn't pin it on him - insufficient evidence
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Because most of the evidence was found in Europe, and not in the U.S.
the terrorists planned the attacks, mainly in Spain, and according to some reports, it appeared that the attacks were at first supposed to happen in France, and not in the U.S. but the target was changed to the U.S., and all the evidence that was found by authorities in Europe pointed to the fact that Islamic extremists were behind the attacks.

Could there have been some groups, and people withint the U.S. government that wanted something like 9/11 to happen? it is possible, but just beause it is possible, doesn't make it a fact.

If we want to get to the truth, we have to accept facts, and evidence, but when people start making claims, which the 9/11 conspiracy is full of, then every other topic, as well as evidence of real conspiracies are tainted because of claims such as those of 9/11.

I have been a member in this website since 2004, and like many other members I looked at the claims surrounding 9/11 and every one of them made no sense, as well as there being many claims which are just absurb.

9/11 is in the past. Nothing you, or anyone else does will change it. We should be concentrating on what is REALLY happening now such as the mandatory vaccination for the flu which is real and will not help anyone, but on the contrary, such mandatory vaccinations will put us even closer to a Socialist dictatorship with the UN, or some other such body being in power, and with a small group within each nation responding to the UN or some other such body of elites.

The entire Obama administration are advocates of giving our sovereignty to the UN, they are also advocates of population control by any means, as well as citizen disarmament.

These are real problems we shouldn't be taking lightly, and which we will be facing very soon.



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Originally posted by TheOracle
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This terrorism problem didn't exist at this scale before the iraq war.

That's part of where people like you are wrong... Islamic terrorism existed like it is now WELL before the Iraqi war...

Perhaps you forget that in 1993 Islamic terrorists also bombed the WTC, but they didn't plan it well enough. There were several other Islamic terrorist attacks.

The thing is that people like you fail to want to understand is that Islamic extremists are stuck in the 7th century. They still want to follow the footsteps of Mohammed, and what he told them to do was to spread Islam by the sword throughout the world, and any other way possible.

Originally posted by TheOracle
How would you feel if an islamist country invaded the USA, force you to change your way of life, bombed the white house, put some white islamist in charge, used depleted uranium in your neighborhood?

They are trying.. not moderate Muslims, but Islamic extremists... Several of them ahve made hatred speech in unitersities in the U.S. calling for Jihad, and violence, and they are allowed to do this more so in Liberal universities.

There are Islamic extremist training camps, which are LEGAL, where Islamic extremists are receiving military training from other Islamic extremists.

BTW, in case you didn't know, and obviously you didn't know IRAQIS voted for the first time, and Insurgents bombed, and tried to stop IRAQIS from voting....

25 out of 31 tribes in the largest parts of Iraq, and other countries have banded together to fight INSURGENTS, the same insurgents the allies have been fighting.

Christian Churches bombed in Iraq, Egypt, Pakistan?

I think the Elite ARE Muslim, and Islam will be the religion of the New World Order. . . and I'll join a tribe in the Amazon to live the rest of my life.

Originally posted by breakingdradles

Originally posted by SLAYER69
They seem to have killed 3000 civilians on 9/11

They seem to have blown up nightclubs killing more civilians.

They seem to have blown up passenger trains killing even more civilians.

Ummm... Yeah, if you believe the "official" story of 9/11 and 7/7

The government only lies about aliens right?

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It's like beating your child cause it's mother cheated on you.
Or
Try to loose weight by eating nothing but ham.

That's what i can;t understand is why they attack civilian's.
There mad at our goverment....slap them..not us.
But that would make it to clear...so let's attack civilians..to get our point across.

Originally posted by bettermakings
Christian Churches bombed in Iraq, Egypt, Pakistan?

I think the Elite ARE Muslim, and Islam will be the religion of the New World Order. . . and I'll join a tribe in the Amazon to live the rest of my life.

LOL, the Muslims being TPTB.

I must say, that is def the first time I've heard that one!

This is by far the most rediculous post I have ever read. Were the terrorists right?, are you serious? Trying to rationalize their point of view is just stupid. Extremeists in the middle east are not people, I would call them animals but that is not fair to animals. That part of the world is run by poverty and ignorance not rational thinking. The middle east is at war with everyone, everywhere, all the time.

For each war there is a different explanation, but is all means the same, hate. They hate just to hate, it doesnt matter who, what or where. They will never be happy. They even kill each other over disagreeances in beliefs, currently!

We are now having what is a clash of civilizations, the middle east with the modern world. The middle east is stuck in the 6th century and refuses to conform to the world around them. But instead of keeping to themselves they have to try and legitamize their irrational thinking by trying to conform everyone around them. That is the clash, the rest of the world has left the 6th century long ago, someone needs to give, them or us. I choose them. You are blind or naieve for thinking this is politically motivated or some retaliation for grievences or oppressions. It is much simpler, ignorance and hate. These people are not to be understood or rationalized, but hunted down and exterminated.