Originally posted by breakingdradles

Ummm... Yeah, if you believe the "official" story of 9/11 and 7/7

The government only lies about aliens right?

Yeah right, and I guess the evidence that authorities in SOCIALIST Spain found about the Islamic extremists planning the 9/11 attacks in Spain is also a lie, and they were in cahoots with the Bush administration?...

Spain's 11 September 'connection'

The start of Europe's largest trial of al-Qaeda members is the result of a long investigation led by renowned Spanish judge Baltasar Garzon.

Mr Garzon began his inquiry into Spain's emerging Islamist network five years before the 11 September 2001 attacks that hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in the US.

Two months after the attacks, the first arrests were made - and his investigation took on a new sense of urgency.

By September 2003, his 692-page-long findings listed Osama Bin Laden among the 35 people charged with terror-related offences, including the 11 September plot. The list was later expanded to include 41 individuals.

Bin Laden remains at large and Spanish law does not allow for trial in absentia.

But the 24 people in the dock in April 2005 included the alleged leader of the Spanish al-Qaeda operation - Syrian-born Immad Eddim Barakat Yarkas, 42, also known as Abu Dahdah.

9/11 terror suspect extradited to Spain

MADRID, Spain (CNN) -- A Moroccan terror suspect held in Britain was extradited Friday to Spain, where he faces possible charges of conspiracy in the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks in the United States and membership in a terrorist group, a Spanish court source told CNN.

The suspect, Farid Hilali, 39, was arrested in Britain in 2004 on a Spanish warrant but had been fighting extradition, eventually losing his legal battles to stay out of Spain, a Spanish National Police statement said Friday.

German court acquits 9/11 suspect
A German court has acquitted a Moroccan man accused of assisting three of the 11 September hijackers.
Abdelghani Mzoudi had admitted being a friend of the three men while they lived in Hamburg, but denied any prior knowledge of the US attacks in 2001.

Mr Mzoudi, 31, had faced charges of aiding and abetting the murder of several thousand people.

The trial judge said the evidence was not strong enough for a conviction, but said doubts remained over his conduct.

"You have been acquitted and this may be a relief to you, but it is no reason for joy," Judge Klaus Ruehle told him.

"You were acquitted not because the court is convinced of your innocence, but because the evidence was not enough to convict you."

Mr Mzoudi was also cleared of a lesser charge of being a member of a terrorist organisation.

November 16, 2006

Germany to try again for 9/11 conviction of student

Germany today signalled a new tough line on terror suspects by ordering a third trial on charges of abetting mass murder against a Moroccan engineering student who was close to the 9/11 suicide pilots.

Mounir el-Motassadeq, 32, is one of the few members of the Hamburg cell - which plotted and carried out the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon - to have faced a court.

He was convicted last year of belonging to a terrorist organisation and given a seven-year jail sentence.

But it has proved difficult to sentence him for crimes directly linked to 9/11. Now the German supreme appeals court has ruled that the prosecutor should be given another chance to jail the student for the more serious charge.

"It was clear that Motassadeq knew his acquaintances from Hamburg were planning attacks with planes," said Judge Klaus Tolksdorff. A new trial, he ruled, should decide "the appropriate sentence for the act and his guilt" and would not need to hear fresh evidence or call new witnesses.

Motassadeq was a cheerful, seemingly well-integrated student who played in his local German football team where he was nicknamed Asparagus because of his spindly legs.

But after 9/11 German police found the credit card and email password of Mohammed Atta - the ringleader of the terror cell - in Motassadeq’s apartment.

There was clear evidence that Motassadeq had paid the rent and electricity bills of the suicide pilots in their absence and transferred cash for their flying lessons. He had also countersigned the last will and testament of Mohammed Atta.

Originally posted by zazzafrazz
reply to post by breakingdradles

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Editing your first post with a direct reponce to a member isn't kosher.
Respond in your thread to each member in succint order, changing the premise of your post to counter someone elses comments has led me to be confused as to what you are saying.
It would be more appropriate if you just debated throughout the thread.

As someone who lost a friend to the Bali bombings, a purely fundamentalists driven event, I can't have empathy for the hatred "americans" and the west that they advocate.
As someone with an Iraqi friend who as a refugee in my country has not gone back to bury the 9 family members she has lost over there, I still wont buy into the perpetuation of hate that these power struggles propogate down through to us masses.

Whether it is your own government, or Terrorists carrying out the attrocities it is done to propogate fear in people like you and I, and I wont succumb to any partisan approach on the matter, as it just means that those agressors have manipulated me as was their intent.

I see us all as this little things called humans, we are exactly the same species, who have been manipulated by concepts such as nationality and religion (all learned not inate) in order enable factional power struggles.

Its the desire for power that does, religion and political partisan alignment are just badges worn to hide the reality of power struggle.


[edit on 14-9-2009 by zazzafrazz]

Originally posted by zazzafrazz
reply to post by breakingdradles

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Umm I dont know who you are so that made no difference to me.
You changed the premise from original content to add a personal reposnce to a member....thats a premise alteration.

Responding throughout your thread, would have made it easier for me to undertsand you, as it stands I'm not sure if you are here to highlight Slayers thoughts or your own......

It seems like in all the videos, they do not speak to the government, but the American people.