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reply posted on 13-9-2009 @ 09:44 PM by rogerstigers
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Well, I don't know for sure that anyone has officially answered this, but on the surface of it, the most obvious path for the evolutionary process to take would be to seperate the airway and the mouth at the epiglottis. In most modern mammals, the epiglottis allows for the trachea to be used for food intake as well as oxygen intact by closing off the lungs when we swallow. This could be where the seperation evolved from. Of course it is possible that the merger of the esophagus and the trachea happened AFTER the whales returned to the water.. I'm not sure anyone has an exact timeline on that, since it would not really be in the fossil record.

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reply posted on 13-9-2009 @ 09:44 PM by rogerstigers
duplicated post.

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reply posted on 13-9-2009 @ 09:50 PM by rogerstigers
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Upon further reflection, the epiglotis does appear to have mutated.


yea but wouldn't the whale die during the time evolution was trying to separate these things?


The ancestors of the whales and dolphins didn't just dive into the water one day and never look back. They were amphibious for a while. In addition, I can eat underwater without drowning. The whales, etc. are much better, but there may well have been a long period where they were mearly adequate enough to survive.


reply posted on 13-9-2009 @ 09:55 PM by rogerstigers
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That, my friend is a good question. The first thing that comes to mind is food scarcity on dry land and/or geographical isolation (one of the biggest contemporary causes of speciation).

I am always willing to give the benefit of the doubt on certain ideas, but I am never one to discount the ingenuity of mother nature.


reply posted on 13-9-2009 @ 10:04 PM by Trams
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There's just no answer. The theory of evolution can't explain everything. Then again neither does religion. I always ask myself why ask questions when we know we won't get the answer. But then again, why ask that question?

I believe that maybe it was an amphibian, before it decided to just go back in the ocean. Why? Who knows. Maybe the fact that they eat small fish/krill can explain something in their evolution.


reply posted on 13-9-2009 @ 10:06 PM by rogerstigers
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Well, there have been reptiles, archeopteryx and raptors specifically, that have been found surrounded by feather impressions. I have often wondered if feathers came about from a differant process than scales, though. Hair is not a byproduct of our skin, for instance.

As for the bones, well, bones change.. humans have bone disorders that make them incompatible with our current culture and lifestyle, but in a differant envronment, etc., a bone disorder might be the one thing that helps a particular bloodline to survive.

For the record, I actually am not unfriendly to the idea that there was some sort of intelligent intervention in the evolutionary process on this planet. I am just as willing to accept that certain traits survive better than others, too.
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