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Why Does U.S.A always support Israel??

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posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 11:07 PM
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"Why does America support Israel?"

That's a million dollar question which no one seems to be able to answer. There is no denying Israel holds power over our politicians. Why this is so, is a mystery to me also.

Israel itself is a mystery and behaves in a way which no other country has been able to do. The reasons for it's existence are just as mysterious and contradictory. The word "Israel" comes from three words that are Egyptian, Isis, Ra, and El. Isis the most important female goddess in all of Egypt. Ra, the most important God in Egypt, and El, the plural word for gods. Also El was the name of the most important god of Canaan.

Israel was formed, (so we are told) as a homeland for the Jews who were persecuted throughout history and especially since they were the on the receiving end of all the alleged anti Semitism prior and during WW11. But why were they given Palestine instead of Poland or some other European country? The so called homeland of the wandering Jews, the new Israel is a contradiction as most who have settled there are Kazaran Jews who were a people that converted to Jewish in the 15 century and have nothing to do with biblical Jews.

And there are other mysteries also. A few just off the top of my head, Why is Israel the only country referred to as as a "state"? Why is Israel the only country who's borders not clearly defined? We keep hearing of a "greater Israel" does this mean confiscation of even more land? Why is Israel allowed to go into other countries to grab and try people for so called war crimes in World War 11? Why does Israel remain the number one recipient of American foreign aid? American's could be dieing of starvation but Israel will continue receiving American aid. Why is it that US congressmen who are vocally against Israel, don't remain congressmen for very long? Although there are few exceptions, you almost never hear of opposition to Israel in American politics or in the mainstream media. Why do other countries have to have there nucular programs subject to a world body, yet Israel does not? One of the worlds worst kept secrets is that Israel has nuculal weapons. Why has Israel been allowed to remain untouched by any world body considering the number of UN violations it is guilty of? Why does the world fear Israel? Why is it ok to openly deny or question any event said to happen in history except the holocaust? Some people are actually serving prison time guilty only of denying the existence of the holocaust.

My favorite mystery of all is, Israel prides itself in it's ability to deceive. "by deception thou shall rule over others". The Israel Mossad lives by this saying as if it were law and proudly admits it. With this in mind, the Christian likes to advertise it's knowledge of a "Antichrist" the New Testament villain of mankind. The most noteworthy characteristic of the antichrist is his ability to deceive. "The deceiver of mankind", "the deceiver of nations" are but a few of the ways to describe the antichrist, but the prime characteristic is always DECEPTION! My question is, why are the Christians always willing to look everywhere for the Antichrist, everywhere except ISRAEL?




posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 11:17 PM
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True but when the US sells it's technology we know to whom and can keep track. [ Usually] The US also knows what are the possible spin off technology. However when Israel does that the US looses track which then it tends to end up elsewhere, Not always in "Friendly" hands

Example was posted before in my previous reply.

reply to post by MikeboydUS
 


Yes I thoroughly appreciate the history of Israel's place in the cold wars years and the role they played. I'm sorry they weren't just a tool. They made moves on their own and as has been shown not always in lock step with the US.

They aint innocent victims.



posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 11:25 PM
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My point was to show why they make moves on their own. They know at times the US doesn't have their best interests at heart. In a sense some in Israel know they are being used. So they try to do what is in their best interest.

Their interests are not always ours. Ours are not always right. They do what they do to survive, even if its not the greatest of choices. They make mistakes like everyone. They also have hardliners like everyone.

No nation on earth is innocent.



posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 11:33 PM
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What is this Isis mess and what does it have to do with anything?

Isis is the Greek corruption of the Kemetic goddess Ees Ees. Israel or more correctly Yisra'el is Hebrew and means to struggle or contend with El. El by the way is Canaanite. Neteru is the Kemite term for divinities not El/Elohim.

It has nothing to do with the Kemetic deities Ees Ees or Re.

The Egyptians or Kemites didn't become a major factor till after Yisrael resettled his clan in Goshen.

[edit on 13/9/09 by MikeboydUS]



posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 11:43 PM
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I think a major reason besides for the safety of the jewish race is because of the amount of nukes israel has. That and we sort of keep the lid on them using them because they haven't nuked anyone yet...

But aside from that most likely the bible and the holocaust are other main factors...



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 12:01 AM
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Israel and the Jews have not a covenant with G-d but they do have a covenant with Rome.

Rome owns and runs America, and America functions as Rome's Army and Policeman.

Rome will not allow anything to happen to Israel until it is destroyed in the process of setting up a One World Government.

I tell you that's really a coin toss like do I want to go to the Dentist and get a root canal, or do I want to go to the IRS Office to be audited?

A one world government to be rid of Isreal, or stuck with Israel, what to do, what to do?


[edit on 14/9/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 12:07 AM
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Believe me America is a whore for supporting israel because Israel commited crimes against humanity on the palestinians.



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 01:54 AM
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Wasn't aware of a "Isis mess", and my post has a lot to do with answering the opening question posed at the beginning of this thread.

Not sure what your trying to accomplish here but if your trying to make a case for there being no connection between what was called Israel and what was called Egypt in biblical times, lots of luck.

One of the first to show this rather obvious connection was Sigmund Freud in his book, "Moses and Monotheism". One of the more modern books is, "Moses and Akhenaton" by Ahmed Osman



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 02:33 AM
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I showed a connection between Yisrael's clan settling in the land of Goshen, part of Kemet (Egypt). The enslavement followed the settlement Goshen.

My problem is with connecting Yisrael the man to the Kemite Neteru.

My history professor had a good theory on actual connections between Kemet and clan Yisrael. When Yisrael settled in Goshen, they introduced the concept of Monotheism to Amenhotep IV (Akhenaton).

I would speculate that when Akhenaton's cult was destroyed was probably the same time clan Yisrael in Goshen was enslaved. The Kemites probably saw the Hebrews as a corrupting influence.

For over four hundred years were the Hebrews enslaved. By the time the Exodus happened some had adopted Kemetic concepts leading to the Golden Calf incident.

So I'm not saying anywhere that there isn't connection between the Hebrews and Kemet. There are connections, but the name Yisrael isn't one of them.



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 02:43 AM
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How do you know who has a covenant with what?

As far as anyone knows Israel has covenants with the Stay Puffed Marshmallow Man and Space Ghost. No one knows.

Heck the US might have a covenant with the imps from hyperspace. We have no idea.

No one on ATS, as far as I know, is in a position to know who or what when it comes to covenants with cosmic beings and horrors from beyond. Reading an article on the Internet or hearing a rumor from some Captain in the National Guard does not qualify.

As for a covenant with Rome, the last I checked Israel wasn't Catholic.



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 03:48 AM
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Fascinating stuff isn't it? The whole era of Akhenaten, all the mysteries, speculation, possibilities and claims. Freud claimed Moses studied in Egyptian mystery schools during the time of Akhenaten. Osman takes it further and says the biblical Moses was none other than Akhenaten himself. William Brambly of, "The Gods of Eden" tells us, Akhenaten was the first to bar Spiritual freedom from the common man, and since that time has been handed out as superstitution.

The Egyptians who recorded most everything to tablets, for some reason never showed the young Akenaten in any family events. He came suddenly on the scene and departed suddenly and mysteriously. Why was he so different than other Egyptians? Not just in religious beliefs but in physical deformities as well. How much of a part did his mother play in his new religion? Did his brand of Monotheism die with him or was it resurrected else where? So much there to be known, yet so little facts remain, it's easy to loose one's self.

Oh, to have been a fly on the wall during that time.



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 04:35 AM
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I'm not sure about the idea of Moses being Akhenaton, but the possibility of Moses studying Kemite Mysteries is probably high.

Personally I would like to know why in Exodus did the G-d of Yisrael announce that he was proclaiming judgement against the Neteru? Each one of the Plagues seem directed at specific members of the pantheon.

There seem to be this whole theomachy thing going on and the G-d of the Hebrews made an example out of the Neteru.

I wonder if the Kemites thought of the G-d of Yisrael as Isfet/Apep? The plague of darkness, I think, would make them wonder.



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 04:36 AM
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Because Israel is still great at playing the Blame Game.

America could have stopped WW2 a lot sooner and saved a lot of lives but they didn't, just when they found out that Hitler was building the bomb they intervened.

You should look into things like The Balfourt Declaration, the Rothschilds and AIPAC.

I think everything happened so that the Central Bankers could claim they are Jewish and any criticism on them would become antisemitism.

It's sad that we can't criticize Israel anymore without being called antisemitic.

But what I find personally just as sad is the middle age stuff going on in Saudi Arabia, and they won't get criticized because they supply the oil.

I think you can't criticize Israel alone, I blame the whole middle east.



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 04:56 AM
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People can criticize Israel. The goal though is to remain objective about it.

When people start stereotyping or lumping into groups thats where it all goes wrong. A good example is the problem with people trying to make Zion and Zionist into dirty words. There are different kinds of Zionists and not all of them are like American "neocons". Some are secular and some are religious. Some are socialist and some are capitalist.

Another good point is just because "Ahab and Jezebel" act like idiots doesn't mean all of Israel are bad. Ahab and Jezebel meaning wealthy, decadent and powerful people who also happen to be Jews. (Bernie Madoff)

As long as people are objective about it and specifics are made there is no problem with criticism. This doesn't just apply to Israel but all countries and peoples.

Objectivity is the Key.

[edit on 14/9/09 by MikeboydUS]



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 05:31 AM
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Some would say because Israel owns America, some because of biblical "obligations" to back Israel at all cost. Who knows we're just small observers in this grand game they are laying out in front of us.



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 05:48 AM
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One word .Two syllables.
A.I.P.A.C...



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 08:19 AM
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Caesar was not Catholic! The sacking of the Second Temple was a false flag in my oppinion. Imperial Rome has been working with the Hebrews as a team to sweep the board to establish unified Laws and Banking to set up a one world government.

Now let me add that I have read many of your posts and you know text book history extremely well, and it always never fails to impress me how you will research and interact with some of your professors before you take the time to lay out a well written post.

This is a conspiracy site though. Yes skeptics show up! Yes they love what has been written in black and white and love pointing to the books and saying look it's in the book, kind of like that little guy on Fantasy Island who used to look at the sky and say 'Look boss the plane, the plane!'

I would like to point out for obvious reasons the Stay Puff Marshmellow Man has a hard time doing work in the dessert!

Rome is all around you staring you right in the face friend, it's on your money, in your laws, on the facades and edifices of buildings of power, the Roman Fasces are behind the Speaker's Podium in the house and the Senate, the sewage creek that ran through Washignton D.C. was named the Tiber by George Washington himself.

Imperial Rome hides behind the Papacy, the remaining Royals from the Empire and Holy Empire, over a dozen different orginizations that conspiracy theorist love to talk about all the time and loves to set up and scapegoat the Jews to keep eyes and thoughts directly off of it.

Natuarly there is a quid pro quo involved, hence the Covenenant with Rome and certain gaurantees written into the Roman Holy Bible which I like to call Operation New World Order.

In life things are seldom what they appear to be on the surface friend, even when you take the time to read all the books, that often really are just there for your reading pleasure and to confuse you with what's provided for you in black and white.

You truly do know the black and white aspect of things, I mean that sincerely and as the highest compliment...

However the world itself on the ground exists in many, many shades of gray!

Hail Caesar!



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 09:50 AM
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in ww2 amerika diddent take jews in who were escaping germany...
they sended the ships with the refugies straight back to the gaschambers...

i suppose feld guilty aboute it?
besides they find it better to concentrate the jew's in palastine than scatterd over the country's that freed europe..



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 10:26 AM
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Israel is the only fuctioning democracy in the middle east. Not only that but a lot of its citizens hold duel nationality as american or british citizens and with that in mind both countires have moral and legal reasons to defend its citizens. As the only friendly democracy in the middle east Israel also has great strategic value in the area which would totally stupid to give up.... Get over your anti israeli crap! Why do you hate israel so much? What has israel ever done to you?
Israel only ever acts in defence, only retaliates to those people who constantly fire rockets at them and thier children who all have psycological problems because they have spent half thier lives in bomb shelters. Never hear about things like that do you? Just swollow anti semite liberal MSM crap!!
Im going there this friday for a holiday, i will be thinking of you when im swimming in the dead sea, and popping over to see Petra on horseback, cant wait!! Btw im not jewish, but i love israel, God bless her!



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by ressiv
in ww2 amerika diddent take jews in who were escaping germany...
they sended the ships with the refugies straight back to the gaschambers...

i suppose feld guilty aboute it?
besides they find it better to concentrate the jew's in palastine than scatterd over the country's that freed europe..






I think there are more countries which such guilt feelings

And as far as Germany is concerned, they just gave away about one or.
two sumarines Dolphin class[and the rest for a friendly price] and a lot of more material.
The Jews [about the same amount as in Israel] operate on all levels in the US, academic, science, politics, entertainment/media. Through the channels of AIPAC and even Christian zionist groups they influence mostly the American middle east politcs with moneysupport, almost every congressman dealing with the ME had to deal with AIPAC[for a seat in Congress]..The big question remains if the US support is in the interest of the US and if Israel is such a valuable asset...I think it is, and mostly was in the Cold War to fight the Soviet proxies..
I recommend people to read the book "The Israel Lobby" by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt..
mazzeltof..



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[edit on 14-9-2009 by Foppezao]



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