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A million march to US Capitol to protest against 'Obama the socialist'

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posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 02:34 AM
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yes it is still the wild west but bragging about your "economic" dominance means # in the 21st century

or you can ask roam or the british empire ?

You see every great empire falls...

you woke up a sleeping dragon and its name is china

Now its time for YOU to be someones bitch.. or then again i guess you could start a war ; )

your good at that




posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 02:41 AM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
Lets see know?

The National Mall is nearly 310 acres.

1 acre is 4,840 sq. yards.

1 person for every 2 sq. yards is a reasonably loose crowd.



2 sq yards is 4.5 feet x 4.5 ft

I would call that EXTREMELY loose for a crowd.

2 people could stand in that space comfortably, and that's with the American standards for personal space.

I would call your estimate conservative. With that much space filled, 2 million would be easy. That said, I understand why you are shooting low, when some are saying "100,000 max".

Star for you for looking up the numbers.


[edit on 14-9-2009 by hotrodturbo7]



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 02:52 AM
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I think that this conversation is much more salient than repeated bickering over if it's 60k or 3 million that converged on DC this weekend.

The key point for me is that we can do that.

The liberty that is more valuable to me is the CHOICE; individually to to decide whom and how much I share my individually earned valuta.

I am convinced that a true free market system of health care with a minimum of government interference will continue to provide excellent health care.

The somewhat nebulous number of uninsured US citizens are still afforded health care. That health care is still paid for by tax dollars. Many of the uninsured are uninsured by choice. The choice of being unwilling to pay for it. The theory of tanstaafle applies here. There is no such thing as a free lunch. I am willing to extend our way of life to those that earn it or through temporary or permanent circumstances are unable to avail themselves of adequate health care.

The underlying theme is that I neither want nor will passively tolerate a "big mamma" government that insists on wiping our noses and changing our diapers from cradle to grave without giving us the opportunity to be self sufficient.

For me it is a key element in the difference between the USA and most other choices I have to ally with.



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 02:52 AM
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Removed double post.


[edit on 9/14/2009 by kerontehe]



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 03:01 AM
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Once again the USA is not an empire. It is a representative constitutional republic. Not a democracy; not a monarchy.

I welcome China to join the world.

& yes we are ok at starting wars and fairly adept at finishing them. Ask for input from some of your ancestors.



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 03:09 AM
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Yes i can see what you are saying in this respect and you are correct, We also have private health insurance in the UK but because our public service ie WE all pay for it works just as good "ok not that great sometimes" but that is were the choice part comes into play..

You only have one option "PAY insurance" or go the emergence room as you pointed out that You all ready pay for "hidden cost" in your premiums?

would it not be better to have the choice? to have BOTH at the same time?

private AND a public option?

This is my confusion here.. and we all face the same problem of people who are not willing but think of the people who CAN NOT afford it ?

maybe they got laid off work? maybe the moved state / county ?

in the UK no matter were i move or if i lose my job i never worry about my health care problems and if my problem was really that bad .. im still covered long term for cancer or any other problems.. If I want better treatment then i can go private at the same time as keeping my pubic option open because of our tax policy..

I just dont see how the health debate is considered BIG government, when 99.9 % of the laws you abide by are made by the very same "big government" you complain about?

it seems like a fallacy to me to think otherwise?

health care? Army? Cops? Teachers? ect ect

They are all paid for By you? the government only "collects" tax ..

from the labour of its subjects ie YOU

Money is the middle man
and its relivence is being awoken to by many .. the injustice of this system will not last much longer.. and why?

China pays its plebs 5 yen a month to make you nike trainers

India pays its programmers 100 rubles to make the next best application or answer a call center ?

you see the problem is not about cost its about controll

keep the plebs happy then the elite are happy..

let me direct you to one of the threads i made about the unawareness of many people regarding money..

If you want to be a slave then that is fine with me.. but demand for "our" masters the fullest benefits you can

Government will always be around regardless of "laws" that you think you are free from..

you are only free with in the laws that they create

like the patriot act ; )

did you see 1.5 million people complain about that little stunt? or the removal of the forth amendment? "didn't think so"

Take the time to read it www.abovetopsecret.com...

And you worry about health care? and the dollar?

sorry the dollar died a very very long time ago



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 03:16 AM
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"My people showed up in big numbers!!! Over a million-ba-gillion, yup i saw and fox told me, wait uh nvmnd, but i saw it" - "Oh no they didn't!!!!! how could they when more than 2 million-ga-zillion showed up for Obamas inauguration, huh? silly " -

There you go i think i summed up the thread nicely for anyone else late to the wonderfully deep discussion.

It's now beyond confusing to talk about health care reform with anyone who doesn't want it. First your talking universal health care and then they hit you with -SWOOOSH- socialism, fascism, communism, RABBLE RABBLE!!!
It's near impossible to get anywhere with anything when your focused on making sure the people know your side is the best side and you not gonna let down for nothing. not even truth.
I'm about ready to sign up with the PTB they got this down pat, all arguing over nothing and calling names, rallying for ignorance while they're making money and laughing all the way.
Some people are too easy.......

[edit on 14-9-2009 by patent98310]



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 03:17 AM
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well considering your "input" was started by MY ancestors i would consider that a contradiction in its self

or ask the french


you only speak ENGLISH because MY for fathers created YOUR nation, granted you rebelled and rightly so.. but as bob Marley once said

You are the forget full ones.

you for get how your nation came about be for the revolt and who in fact OWNS the USA

and it was not white Anglo Saxons my friend it was the native Indians we raped and pillaged, who you put on reservations....

we know what america is all about we created you..

if you think im kidding take a look at who owns the FED

"I care not for who runs the government, just give me the power to print its money"

money talks my friend and thinking otherwise.. well your living in dream land



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 03:22 AM
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Numbers are easy...you just have to photograph them at the peak, from above. The US Park Service developed an accurate system to do this back about 25 years ago.

Really, it is meaningless to argue "several thousands" or "millions". Nothing has changed, because TPTB were not made to feel vulnerable or even uncomfortable. Change comes when BigGov feels threatened. Lets face it, a bunch of moms and dads and tag-along kids carrying signs aren't very threatening to the facists pigs in the administration and congress who are determined to use all they have to enslave the citizens.

If you want to stir TPTB up, have several thousands or millions show up in combat gear, packing arms and ready to use them to take back their country. Ha, ha, it will never happen. The typical "cyber-revolutionary" today yaps his jaw a lot and beats his chest and plays his video war games and posta "scary-talk" YouTube videos.

A country lost requires more than this YouTube generation is willing to lay on the line. Better get used to licking boots, folks.
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[edit on 14-9-2009 by romanmel]



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 03:29 AM
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spot on



gave you a star for that, just because your aware of the "spin" that TPTB implement every day.

Dived and conquer.

They would # a brick if everyone stoped paying tax on mass... what are they going to do then?

lock us all up? shoot us? lol

WE ARE THE SYSTEM, WE MAKE IT WORK

WITHOUT US there IS NO SYSTEM

that is what they KEEP HIDDEN...

they want you to think THEY have the power when the fact is

WE DO

# THE NWO # THE TPTB

I AM THE NWO I AM THE POWER THAT BE

not them ME / YOU

wake up people



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 03:42 AM
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Thanks.

One only has to realize, TPTB fear what they know we can do. That's why they proceed in stages. If they feal a determined "push back", they retreat and regroup.

They are more than willing to "allow" us to blow off some steam, so long as they can continue their agenda unabated. I am truely saddened at our pathetic response to the continuing loss of our freedoms to these jerks. We need much more "push-back".



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 03:44 AM
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I think we are getting closer to reading from the same prayer book. I am actually the result of about 3/4 Native American with the remainder of English, Scottish, Irish seasoning. The majority of my ancestors had trading and commerce over much of North America several hundred years prior to any European colonists "discovering" it.

The money portion of this equation is what the value of this instrument is to those that use it for barter. Most of the planet. This is based on the expected value of the output of the citizens during their working life. GDP.

In my formative years i sometimes wished for a way to deport all the European invaders out of my ancestral homeland. After realizing that after 5 to 10 generations it has become a moot point as there are fewer than 10% of my particular clan that have not willfully mixed genes with the pale visitors.

Health care reform is just the focal point of a growing discontent with how far this country has strayed from the framework that afforded success.

I offer my lay assessment and recommendations.

1) Enact Tort Reform! (no more frivilous lawsuits)

2) Allow insurance companies to compete across state lines.
This would give us about a gazillion more options.

3) Require medical providers to post prices and establish a baseline price index.
An established standard would encourage competition.

4) Extend medical savings accounts so people will shop for prices and not go to emergency medical providers for minor problems.
Preventive Medicine people!

5) Set up a high risk category to cover preexisting conditions much like we do with high risks in auto insurance and with flood insurance.

6) Require health insurance companies that do sell across state lines to participate in a "public option" pool of providers.

Doing all of the above would cut malpractice insurance costs, reduce defensive medicine, promote much more competition and provide insurance for the uninsurable. The government should only be an umpire in free enterprise but should not play in the game.

I have estimates from a friend in VA of 1.2 million that he could visually acquire from a about 1/4 mile away.



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 03:51 AM
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Totally agree with your points, I mean sure we are not the USA but it can work for you guys the same way it works for us in a different manner all be it but i can work with simple and logical points you provide.

so yes we are in agreement here on this and im going to give you a star for making very valid points in relation to tax and the system you have and how it can work for the every day American person, or at least "how it should"

I just hope you guys can sort it out without making it "republican" or a "democrat" issue

we all know governments are full of crap regardless of affiliation


we have the same bull crap here in the uk "Conservative" and "labor"

both full of crap if you ask me



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 03:52 AM
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I'm not a crown counting expert. But by going on what Weedwacker had to say, about the crowd never gridlocking as it did with BHO's inag. speech. Is quite teliing.

Although, when you go to a speech you get to you spot, then you stop and stay and listen, hence this can cause jam ups, and people gridlock.

I don't know what the protocal of the Tea Party Crowd was, once they reached there destination. Did they stop? and sit/stand around for three hours, OR, did they leave a tea-bad and move on?

AshleyD's video as WW said is telling, and seems to show more than 60,ooo people. But some of the screen shots I saw, there were no people funnelling in from those side streets, it was just the one main route(as far as I can tell).

Overhead/Arial photos could have proven alot.

But takeing into account Weedwhackers knowledge of the terrain(and his point of no complete stoppage due to a gridlock), as well as ashleyD's Time lapse video.....

The number is definitely higher than 60,000, but I don't think it was close to even 1 million let alone 2 million.

I'd say 200-250k would be a fair number from concerts I've been to at Giants Stadium. Stones Reuinion, McCartney ect. The bleachers, stadium seat, and entire football field being shoulder to shoulder was quite a spectical. Too bad this was a long time ago, and I don't have exact numbers, But I think 100,000 + would be conservative.

Comparing that to a "3 HOUR" time lapse of a sea of people moveing 25 wide, and maybe 2 feet in front and behind each person. I'd have to say that videoalone shows 200,000k.

Again, I'm not expert on counting crowds or D.C topography, although I visited there about 20 years ago when I was 13.

But the thing is there is a TREMENDOUS difference between 60k, and 2 million. Obvioulsy certain stations, and papers want to spin it thier way, so Your guesses are as good as mine, takeing into account the numbers we have been given.



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 03:55 AM
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PS - Quite a few of managed to avoid the relocation to reservations. Including the only fully sovereign nation in North America: www.miccosukeeseminolenation.com...

Difficult to get an accurate head count on those colonists eh.



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 04:03 AM
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Now that wasn't so difficult. You are hereby formally invited to my sweat lodge and peace pipe kegger.

BYO keg please.

And again, though health care reform was probably the trigger for this weekend sortie; there were quite a few other issues being addressed. Now if we could only find a way to eliminate greed, selfishness, and pursuit of power over others from the gene pool we might have a shot at preserving the race.



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 04:42 AM
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Originally posted by Pappie54
That is the propaganda number put out by those in support but the actual number we closer to 60 thousand. Photos prove it!


Yeah - Pappie54 is right. There was no more than 100,000 max. I've seen multimillion crowds and there was certainly no where near that amount present. One a few conservative blogs have tried to claim a million+.



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 04:51 AM
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"Tens of thousands of people marched through Washington Saturday to protest President Obama's proposed health care plans."
NPR Article

Here's a whole article just about the different size claims:D.C. Tea Party Size Turns Into Misquote City




At that point, the floodgates of enthusiasm washed through the blogosphere. Predictable cheerleader Michelle Malkin wrote that she heard the turnout was estimated at 2 million. (She wasn't at the event but that didn't stop her from hitting the "publish" button.) By Saturday night, however, ABC printed a story denying it had ever reported the 1 to 1.5 million number. (Malkin later published an acknowledgment that FreedomWorks was in error.)


So, apparently Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks, made the initial gross exaggeration of 1.5 million and a few other sources jumped on the bandwagon.

This article's estimate was 70,000.



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posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 05:28 AM
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we are not alone!
I think this surprised the crap out of all the media outlets.



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posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 05:50 AM
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FYI


Conservative activists, who organized a march on the U.S. Capitol today in protest of the Obama administration's health care agenda and government spending, erroneously attributed reports on the size of the crowds to ABC News.

Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks, the group that organized the event, said on stage at the rally Saturday that ABC News was reporting that 1 million to 1.5 million people were in attendance.

At no time did ABC News, or its affiliates, report a number anywhere near as large. ABCNews.com reported an approximate figure of 60,000 to 70,000 protesters, attributed to the Washington, D.C., fire department. In its reports, ABC News Radio described the crowd as "tens of thousands


Nothing like a bad lie to help bolster credibility


It's never enough with these people ! 60k to 70k is no where NEAR 1-2 million as they've stated.

Remember things like this people. They will lie to your face about everything to further, not WE THE PEOPLE, but their OWN agenda. They use people like those in the protest crowd so they can get what THEY want, not what the people need.

Vote all liars out of office.
Never forgive, never forget.



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