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A million march to US Capitol to protest against 'Obama the socialist'

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posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 04:31 PM
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A million march to US Capitol to protest against 'Obama the socialist'


www.da ilymail.co.uk

Up to two million people marched to the U.S. Capitol today, carrying signs with slogans such as "Obamacare makes me sick" as they protested the president's health care plan and what they say is out-of-control spending.

The line of protesters spread across Pennsylvania Avenue for blocks, all the way to the capitol, according to the Washington Homeland Security and Emergency Management Agency. ...
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 9/13/2009 by SonicInfinity]

Mod Edit - Headline: Please use the original story headline from your source. This is the current headline.

[edit on 18 Sep 09 by Gools]




posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 04:31 PM
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I didn't see a thread on ATS specifically talking about the number of protesters at the protest, so if there's one, please close this thread and direct me to it.

Two million people is no small number, especially considering the very little media attention it received. What bothers me especially is that reporters on CNN, FOX, and MSNBC saying that the protesters were in the "thousands," while I've seen tons of articles online saying it was in the millions. After I saw a lot of pictures and video of the protest, I have to agree with the latter. Why is the MSM downplaying and ignoring it, and will the protest have any long-term effects other than a one-time showing?

www.da ilymail.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 04:33 PM
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That is the propaganda number put out by those in support but the actual number we closer to 60 thousand. Photos prove it!



posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by Pappie54
That is the propaganda number put out by those in support but the actual number we closer to 60 thousand. Photos prove it!


It was around 60,000? Then please post or link to those pictures. Even so, I heard "thousands" on the MSM, but if it was around 60,000, they should have said "tens of thousands."



posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 04:39 PM
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Evry one of them should have had a foam shotgun..Kinda like those big foam fingers...

I was there,million easy..

In my best Yay!,I got mail voice..


''I got pictures.. yay!!''



posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 04:59 PM
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I was there. I have no doubt the attendance was well over a million. 60-70 thousand is a ridiculously low estimate. One picture can't show the whole crowd.



posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 04:59 PM
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There are several sites claiming up to two million people attended.

www.examiner.com...




No official count was taken of the number of people attending the inaugural ceremony, although multiple sources concluded that the ceremony had the largest audience of an event ever held in Washington, D.C. Government agencies and federal officials, who coordinated security and traffic management, determined the attendance count to be 1.8 million people based on information collected by several cameras and individuals on the ground. The Washington Post reported the estimated crowd size for the inaugural ceremony, and the National Park Service said it did "not contest" the estimate.[


en.wikipedia.org...

Now even if two million protesters is exaggerated, for the 9?12 protests to have comparable numbers to Obama's inauguration is impressive.



posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 05:08 PM
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Hate to be a wet blanket, but here's some real info on past groups that associated in DC, and just how many the city can really accomodate.

(I live here, BTW. Kinda sorta know the terrain...)


The Million Man March was a mass gathering held in the United States,
in Washington, D.C., on October 16, 1995.
*skip*
Finally, within the first twenty-four hours following the March a conflict between March organizers and Park Service officials erupted over crowd size estimates. Initially, the National Park Service issued an estimate of about 400,000 attendees; a number significantly lower than March organizers had hoped for. After a heated exchange between leaders of the march and Park Services, researchers at Boston University estimated the crowd size to be 850,000 still fell short of the organizers’ estimate of over one million.

The 'Million Man March', 1995



Above is a reprentative image of the crowd, as they FILLED the Mall, and spilled over everywhere too.


The National Park Service is very good at estimating crowd sizes. Aerial views, and they use a grid system to count and multiply.

Did we see this many at the "Tea Party'? I believe it started in Freedom Plaza.

Here's the link from every right-winger's fave, Fox "News": www.foxnews.com...


Here's a map of the route:
www.teapartyplanning.com...

It assembled in Freedom Plaza, then marched down Pennsylvania Avenue to the US Capitol Building.

Hardly accomodations for almost 2 million, sorry.....



posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 05:10 PM
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Two million?


Anyway, look at the caption under the picture in your source:



Tens of thousands of people converged on Capitol Hill on Saturday to protest against government spending


Even FOX is reporting "tens of thousands".

I hadn't heard of this protest before seeing this thread... But I don't listen to Glenn Beck, so maybe that's why.



posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 05:13 PM
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This will come down to who you believe most foreign publications said in the millions but the US media said thousands AND US media said it was protesters and Obama supporters.

Considering the US media is in the pocket of the gov't then i would tend to say they are lying and the number is probably closer to the millions figure.

I saw the pictures and there were way more than 60k but hey i guess there will always be somebody to disagree.

That being said a whole heap of people are angry and this is a good thing.

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Even FOX is reporting "tens of thousands". I hadn't heard of this protest before seeing this thread... But I don't listen to Glenn Beck, so maybe that's why.


You need to understand Fox is a controlled paradigm also. Sure they criticize Obama but they still defend the Fed and defended Bush as he destroyed the constitution. They just try to put a right wing spin on things but they are teh same as cnn, msnbc, they don't tell the truth.

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posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 05:17 PM
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I don't know much about counting crowds but there was way more than 60,000 people there. Maybe not 1-2 million (I really don't know) but 60,000 is absurd.

Here is a 39 second video that shows a time lapse of three hours of the masses in constant motion (not standing still):



Especially look at the crowds once they extend down the entire street. It starts to happen about half way in the video. No way 60,000 is remotely accurate. This was not standing room- the people were in marching flux which raises the numbers even more. There were also live feeds yesterday with various angles.

And, yes, there was a thread yesterday that discussed the differences in reporting the crowd numbers but I don't recall it being in the news forum so you should be OK.

Edit to add:

And here is a still shot:



I outlined the visible crowd perimeters in red then placed arrows to show where the crowds were off screen. Then constant motion for three hours. Again, no way that is 60,000 people.

1-2 Million? I don't know but it's not impossible. But I can say with confidence that is more than 60K.

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posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 05:20 PM
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As I've tried to point out, and what anyone who has actually been here and knows how they do the estimating will know, the only way for there to be that many is IF they FILLED the Mall, ann the surrounding side streets and sidewalks, and crowded about two to four blocks deep as well off the "March Route".

As linked referencing the Inauguration, the entire area around the Capitol was filled. People were LINED UP many deep along Pennsylvania Avenue...NOT MOVING!! Standing for hours.

Others crowded into the Mall area, to watch on the Jumbotrons. This was a mass of people, and when you get up to what Wiki reported there, estimating over a millin for the Inaugural, NOBODY is marching!!! No one is moving. It's a nightmare of gridlock.....



posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 05:29 PM
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Well, AshleyD's video certanly does show more than 60,000. Still, not as many as claimed in the OP.

Consider this from last year, prior to the Inauguration of Obama:


There are 29,000 hotel rooms in Washington and about 95,000 across the region, according to Destination DC. Many hotels are requiring a minimum three- to four-night stay. Other properties report setting aside their remaining rooms for VIPs and repeat customers.

www.msnbc.msn.com...

I saw a gaggle here in Alexandria (suburb of DC) coming from the Westin Hotel, Old Town. Perhaps four dozen?

Here, where I'm at (Embassy Suites) also Old Town, there were about a dozen at the Happy Hour last night, signs still in their hands....

Anyway, this is grass-roots, eh? Doubt many were spending a lot on hotel rooms, but they HAD to stay somewhere, right???
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posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 05:39 PM
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no offense but its the daily mail

rag tag tabloid rubbish like the sun...

www.c-span.org...

ironic
watch it.. Republican "esk" stunt



Listen to it Real Close.. War? please Propagandize the message Its Only TV

makes me happy i do not own one
what a load of crap

Health care? this made me laugh "stop spending our money"

do you print it?

No offense but why are Americans so STUPID? listen to the guys voice and the idiotic "robot" womans voice

it sounds like WWE ...

[edit on 13-9-2009 by symmetricAvenger]



posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 05:42 PM
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Do you want me to include some more sources? I can find more that say more than a million; just give me a little time, and I'll try to put up more.

EDIT: After a lot of searching, some are reporting thousands, some say tens of thousands, and some say up to a million, two millions, and even three million. We need to get some pictures of previous marches that show a much larger area to estimate it properly.

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posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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We need to get some pictures of previous marches that show a much larger area to estimate it properly.


I've provided links, as have others.

I've 'marched' in DC.

I've participated in 'Walks' for various causes, too.

I've been to rallys. One million people out on the streets, concentrated dwon Pennsylvania Avenue?? No one would be able to move.



posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 06:06 PM
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There's simply no way it was just 60,000. 60,000 people is a jay-z concert...This was a literally a sea of people. There was certainly more people there than that. 60,000 to 2 million is a massive jump..so clearly someone here is skimming the total.

Take a look for yourself.



We won't get an official count that will coincide with other reports so just by pure judgment any idiot with a brain can see that there was more than "tens of thousands" of people at this event. If people want to believe the media go ahead but the photos don't lie. Clearly more than 60,000....that's just ignorance at its best.



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posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 06:14 PM
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posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 06:20 PM
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Check this site when it is updated, and compare with the numbers from the coronation. That will give a good estimate-

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posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 06:22 PM
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AT least people are out there protesting, I wish it was that much people when the first bail out bill last year was shoved up the tax payer butts to save the banking cartel.

Sometimes things are done a littler too late, because if I remember clearly the waste of tax payer money started with the two unnecessary wars that the last administration brought us.

With all the money wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan we should have lowered the deficit a long time ago.



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