For the Majesty of King Khufu, justified, spent much time in searching for himself these secret chambers of the sanctuary of Thoth in order to make their likeness for his horizon [or tomb].

westcar papyrus

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great find, i love reading and finding out new information about hermes, as he is my favorite greek god. if he was the first atlantean and atlantis is in greece or somewhere around the mediterranean, i think they need to do some more in depth research on the land and sea.
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Originally posted by Parta
For the Majesty of King Khufu, justified, spent much time in searching for himself these secret chambers of the sanctuary of Thoth in order to make their likeness for his horizon [or tomb].

westcar papyrus

Exactly, though as the papyrus said, he never finds them and his purpose was to build an exact one for the "cult temple" (as they're called) outside his pyramid. I had forgotten that Westcar also associates Khufu with the pyramid.

(for those of you not familiar with the language, "justified" means that someone is writing about someone who is dead. Westcar was written some 1,000 years after Khufu died.

I read this argument once and wrote it down. I would be interested in an expert answering some of the points made as i thought they made a reasonable explanation as to why it might not have been khufu who built the pyramid

1.11) The 'Inventory Stella' - Found at Giza by Auguste Mariette in the 1850's, in the ruins of the Temple of Isis. It states reasonably clearly that Khufu restored the Sphinx (10). It reads as follows:

'Long live the King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Khufu, given life

He found the house of Isis, Mistress of the Pyramid, by the side of the hollow of Hwran (The Sphinx)

and he built his pyramid beside the temple of this goddess and he built a pyramid for the King's daughter Henutsen beside this temple.

The place of Hwran Horemakhet is on the South side of the House of Isis, Mistress of the pyramid

He restored the statue, all covered in painting of the guardian of the atmosphere, who guides the winds with his gaze.

He replaced the back part of the Nemes head-dress, which was missing with gilded stone

The figure of this god, cut in stone, is solid and will last to eternity, keeping its face looking always to the East'

This text strongly implies that the Sphinx (and a temple to Isis), were extant before Khufu...


The French Egyptologist and Director General of Excavations and Antiquities for the Egyptian government, Gaston Maspero, who surveyed the Sphinx in the 1920s asserted that:

'The Sphinx stela shows, in line thirteen, the cartouche of Khephren. I believe that to indicate an excavation carried out by that prince, following which, the almost certain proof that the Sphinx was already buried in sand by the time of Khafre and his predecessors'. (8)

'The stela bears all the signs of authenticity. Many scholars have trouble excepting this, however, due to the fact that it upsets the structure of pyramidology. So they have claimed the stela to be a forgery, based on the word of an unscrupulous Englisman named Richard Howard Vyse, who was running out of money and desperate to make a name for himself.'

In 1937 Vyse entered the first of the chambers he discovered. After blasting into the first chamber, he and his companion, a Mr. Hill, took measurements of the empty room and recorded the information in a journal. Yet somehow they missed the so called mason's quarry marks which were painted in red on all the walls except the wall which had been blasted through. It wasn't until they returned later with two other witnesses, that the marks were discovered.Other chambers were blasted through over the next few months, these too possessed the red mason markings..again they were conveniently located on all the walls except those of the east side that had been blasted through. It was as if the builders of the pyramids had known that someone would one day break through these walls and didn't bother to mark them. Not very likely. Another point of interest...only the chamber's discovered by Vyse contained markings. The first room discovered in the prior century was without marks. In fact the entire pyramid is without markings and decorations - very unusual for the Egyptians.When the hieroglyphs in the pyramid were shown to experts, such as the hieroglyphicsexpert at the British Museum, Samuel Birch, suspicions were risen.Birch confirmed that some of the inscriptions were actually cartouches...which could only mean royalty. He also confirmed that the name in the chamber was Khufu. It had seemed that Vyse had discovered the builder of the Great Pyramid.With all the excitement, little attention was paid to the many if's and but's expressed by the museum and Mr. Birch. Right from the beginning, Birch was uneasy with the orthography and script of the many markings. The thing that puzzled him most was the fact that all the markings were made in a script that started to appear only centuries after the time of Khufu. One of the markings was not in use until 2000 years after khufu. He also found it odd that the scripts were done in a cursive manner and all the markings seemed to be done by the same hand.A year later, the leading Egyptologist of the time, Carl Richard Lepsius, was likewise puzzled by the cursive manner of the writings. He then declared that some of the hieroglyphs following the cartouches were totally unknown and he could not understand them.Later on, Birch would discover a second name of a pharaoh contained within the Great Pyramid - Shoufou.The problem here was the lower chambers, which were obviously built first, because you can only build a pyramid from the ground up, contained the name of the pharaoh how lived and reigned after Khufu. To this day, this proves to be a source of embarrassment to Egyptologists.I now bring you to Vyse's biggest blunder made by Vyse - the misspelling of Khufu's name by incorporating it with the god Ra, so the name was spelled Raufu. This would have been nothing less than blasphemy in ancient Egypt.why was such an error made when committing this forgery? At that time, deciphering hieroglyphics was still in its infancy. And it is a well known fact that Vyse used the leading hieroglyphic book of its day, Wilkinson's Materia Hieroglphica. It was later discovered that this book contained spelling errors and it just so happened that the spelling mistakes found within the Great Pyramid were exactly the same as the book.'

star n flag because i believe this thread is an important piece of our existences as we know it. Quite simply.

When my mother went below the Sphinx in her NDE she saw many books that had a pictures that looks like the symbols we see as an image of Thoth. She said it was on many books, like a signature in a way. She was told that just because she doesn't see anyone there keeping the writings, that the records are still being kept in our present. She also saw a book that was full of star charts and images. One page showed what seemed to be beings coming to Earth in a craft (craft's) and she felt that this was the story of how certain beings came here (possibly the story of Atlantis....which was also wrote down in Egypt, which is in those books she saw.

Originally posted by Melyanna Tengwesta
Like you write: there is proof of the Emerald Tablet of Hermes (Tabula Smaragdina) and there is NO proof the Emerald Tablets of Thoth have ever truly existed.

It can very well be that Doreal, who was very much into the Occult & Hermetic readings, has heard / read about the Hermes Tablet and thus by going in trance wrote his vision on it giving it a slighty different name. But ... this is speculation only.

I like the texts of the Toth Tablets even when they are written by someome like Doreal. There simply is something about this text even knowing it's not an ancient text.

Thanks for clearing that up, it actually makes a lot more sense now. So i suppose any investigation into the Tablets of Thoth are pointless as even their existence cannot be proven.

Originally posted by LeoVirgo
When my mother went below the Sphinx in her NDE she saw many books that had a pictures that looks like the symbols we see as an image of Thoth.

Your mother went below the Sphinx?

Proof?

Check out Drunvalo Melchizedek's books "The Ancient Secret Of The Flower of Life" I&II. He says Thoth appeared to him and taught him many of the mysteries of Egypt. It's fascinating. I've read Doreal's The Emerald Tablets. Interesting but not easy to understand and use. He basically teases the reader to solve his mysteries. Thoth, Hermes and Enoch are supposed to be the same soul. I don't know if they are different incarnations or not. Melchizedek says Thoth designed all the pyramids around the world and gave the Mayans their calender. He also said the largest pyramid in the world is in western Tibet and looks like it was made yesterday. It is covered in snow all year long except for 3 weeks out of the year. He said an American team went in it and found no hieroglyphs except 1 symbol, the flower of life.
Sheldan Nidle says the Arcturians gave the calender to Thoth who then gave it to the Mayans.


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