Originally posted by Nutter

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Yes, I did. What long "wing section"? Nothing I saw resembled anything I could easily identify with an aircraft. It looked like warped, twisted, destroyed metal.

Well, then show me the "warped, twisted metal at Shanksville."? Have you seen any photos? I haven't.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Not to mention that there is also the soil at the strip mine to account for much wreckage being buried.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Not to mention that there is also the soil at the strip mine to account for much wreckage being buried.

Skadi, please prove what you are trying to claim here?

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

What evidence do YOU have that the soil at Shanksville was not soft? Or how this applies to your larger theory?

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Did you miss the part about the crash site being a RECLAIMED STRIP MINE? In other words, a bunch of soft soil dumped to fill up an abandoned mine? A bunch of loose dirt? Have you forgotten that part?

Decommissioning a Strip Mine…
There are a number of people who claim that the soil around the site was ‘loosely packed’ because it was an old, filled-in strip mine.
How realistic is it, then, that when the strip mine at Shanksville (called Diamond T) was decommissioned, the mine operators simply poured in truckloads of soft sand, and everyone shook hands and walked away. In short, not realistic at all, because in decommissioning the mine, the same government environmental branch would have to be satisfied that VERY STRICT decommissioning requirements had been met.

I looked it up. It's covered by the Surface Mining Control and Reclamation Act 1977 (SMCRA), and administered by the Office of Surface Mining. This is just one of the 60 Federal laws and regulations which must be adhered to which apply specifically to coal mining.

One of the requirements of the Act is the preparation (BEFORE mining even starts) of a reclamation plan, which needs to be assessed and approved. To quote: "The broad objectives of the rehabilitation program were to eliminate soil and water pollution on and around the site, and to produce a STABLE LANDFORM with a self-sustaining vegetative cover…"

The reclaiming of the decommissioned strip mine was under strict Federal laws surrounding strip mining activities. For the 'Official Story' to continue to claim that the ground was 'loosely packed' or 'soft' because of an old strip mine that used to operate is completely ignoring the masses of Federal laws and regulations which would have ensured that the area was returned to its PRE-MINING STATE (which is a term used throughout the legislation).

These legislative requirements for decommissioning a strip mine IN
PENNSYLVANIA can be found in the Code of Federal Regulations, Title 30,
Volume 3, Part 398 Pennsylvania.

"Section 938.1 SCOPE - This part contains all rules applicable only
within Pennsylvania that have been adopted under the Surface Mining
Control and Reclamation Act of 1977".

Therefore, one of the nearly 60 Federal laws surrounding strip mines required the land to be returned to its PRE-MINING STATE when the mine was closed. This is in direct contradiction to the 'official story', who claim that the presence of the old strip mine left the soil ‘loosely packed’.

There is plenty of information around on the strict requirements about the reclamation plans required for the decommissioning of a strip mine:
“Reclamation
Reclamation is the process of restoring disturbed land as closely as possible to its original condition when mining is finished. All mine sites must be reclaimed according to applicable governmental regulations. This typically involves a number of activities including: reshaping the land, restoring topsoil, and planting native grasses, trees or ground cover. Reclamation is done according to the approved closure and reclamation plan, which must be continuously updated by the mining company and approved by the responsible government agency”.

And:
“What is a Mine Closure and Reclamation Plan?
Planning for mine closure starts during mine planning... Under existing
legislation, mine owners must submit a mine closure and reclamation plan to the [state] and/or federal government. The government must approve the initial closure and reclamation plans before any mine development work can begin. However, the development of final plans may take years of study and detailed engineering before being completed. The company must also put up money (e.g., a deposit or bond) to make sure that it can complete the reclamation, including shut-down, closure and post-closure. The financial assurance may be a few million dollars for a small mine or over $100 million for a large mine. The deposit makes sure that the government will not be left with the responsibility of paying for a mine closure as has happened in the past because abandoned mines become property of the governments.

A mine closure and reclamation plan for any mine is site-specific. It details
how the mining company will close the mine site and return the surrounding land, as closely as possible, to its pre-mining state”.

Therefore, there is no way that the surrounding soil from the alleged Flight 93 crash would have been the 'loosely packed' remains of the old strip mine. The mine would have had Federal regulations applied during decommissioning to return it to its premining state.