9-12 DC Tea Party - A View From the Street

reply to post by schrodingers dog


I still don't see any problems here. The current administration is against oil research, nuclear power, drilling off the coasts, pretty much anything that isn't 'green' power. The admin. wants to tax us into 'green' power. Obama even said he would tax the coal companies out of existence.

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
I was wondering if some of you had a take on this.

Personally, my take is that the majority of this 'tea party' movement is a corporate sponsored gimmick, and part of the intentional polarization and division of this country by the two party scam/system and their corporate pimps. That's why there is MSM coverage now that it's been hi-jacked by the hypocritical super-partisans, but not back when Ron Paul was running it. Like somebody said, most of those folks are Wal-Mart shoppers, running around detesting foreigners, while draped in chinese made american flag shirts.

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I understand steve, and quite frankly I don't see a problem with it either to tell you the truth ... more as an overt example of the presence of mega-corps in pretty much everything that goes on in this town.

My question was more to the folks that feel somewhat betrayed by the seeming focus shift of the Tea Party movement.

I guess what I'm asking is ... does anyone know if RP was leading this movement if that bus would have been allowed to be there.

www.ontheissues.org...

Again, the reason I am asking is because I honestly don't know the answer.

reply to post by schrodingers dog

And the other was the American Energy Express from the American Energy Alliance

I personally found such a visible presence of an interest/loby group somewhat anathematic to the core Tea Party principle, that is not however to say that that is in fact the case, for I am not the most familiar with the Tea Party movement, thus I am honestly not the right person to make that call.

I was wondering if some of you had a take on this.

I had noticed the CNN bus; must've missed the other.

As far as a lobbyist bus being there, there are several ways to look at this.

From looking at your link, it is apparently that the AEA is against Cap and Trade.

That is certainly an issue that would fit in with the protests. A worthy issue to protest.

Or maybe they just donated the use of the bus for the TPE?

The fact that the AEA may be a lobbyist should not be held against them, imo. In this case, they are a lobby on the right/correct side of the issue.

I guess what I'm asking is ... does anyone know if RP was leading this movement if that bus would have been allowed to be there.

Only RP can answer that question. For all we know, he might have accepted donations from them.

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reply to post by takaris7

 

I say end socialism....end food stamps, end welfare, end Social Security, end Medicare and COBRA, end government funded housing and college education programs, end free hospitals and public schools.

Thanks, it's good to know that you would gleefuly pull any medical insurance that I have out from under my feet.

I became partially paralyzed 2 years ago with spinal cancer and am unable to work. I also have brain cancers that they want to remove soon but risk losing my hearing when they operate.

Social security hasn't even bothered to give me a hearing yet for disablilty, I suppose 16 months is just too short a notice for them.

My wife got laid off 3 months ago and without cobra we couldnt even afford my precription drugs. Without cobra I suppose I'd have to go
out and rob people like you just to be able to survive.

By the way, I have been paying into social security for 36 years
AND I HAVE NEVER ASKED FOR ASSISTANCE FROM ANYONE.
Be careful what you would choose for others, some of us may
not be as fortunate as you.

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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
I guess what I'm asking is ... does anyone know if RP was leading this movement if that bus would have been allowed to be there.

Ron Paul's TeaParty was his campaign's fundraising and action ideas. I think the current TeaParty has its origins with the Rick Santelli shout out at the Chicago Board of Trade for a Chicago Tea Party, the Chicago Young Republicans organizing for the Chicago Tea Party, the attendant news coverage, all propelling the "Tea Party" idea into the corner of the likes of GOP individuals and groups such as Freedomworks.

Corporate interests would best be served by little govt (oversight/regulation), which happens to be one of the cries of the TeaPartyers, also no taxes, another cry, cries of free ("unregulated" to the corp) markets, another cry.

The corporate influence could care less if there's any racism. Corporations also like their Constitutional protection, while at the same time never having to consider the Constitution at the level of employees, as the Constitution is the protection citizens enjoy against their govt, not their employer. So let the crowds shout for love of Constitution. All the better for the individual ...corporation.

If the TeaPartyers have their way, the corporations would save even more money by not having to employ lobbyists to help write bills that favor them. So, the current protests are an example of good corporate citizens exercising their rights to protest on behalf of the corporatocracy. Its such a warm, fuzzy, feel good, corporate event.

Afterall, I can remember attending corporate family picnics decades ago. Now these corporations have no need for such events. Besides, on a global scale, it's pretty impractical.

Originally posted by Anonymous Avatar
reply to post by takaris7

 

Indeed you are right. Obama is working much harder to take away our civil and financial liberties than Bush did. That is saying a lot because Bush screwed us pretty bad.

Health Care? Come on now..What civil liberties? Please tell me. I sure will tell you what Bush did...which were cemented in our political system...and will take heavy construction to get out....

Do you remember these things or just choose to forget them?

Warrentless NSA wiretapping? Telecom immunity for participation?

FISA Amendments Act?

Section 7 of the Military Commissions act?

The authority to detain legal residents and even U.S. citizens in a military prison as "enemy combatants"

Sidestepping the FOIA...threatening journalists.

The judge and department of justice issue anyone?

Extraordinary rendition?

horrible uses of immunity for his Bush's administration to hide criminal activity?

FBI's TALON database shows the government has been spying on nonterrorist groups, including Quakers, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, and Veterans for Peace.

The last seven years, Democrats have repeatedly cited GOP political dominance to excuse their wholesale failures to limit, let alone reverse, the devastating war waged by the Bush administration on America's core liberties and form of government.


All this is well documented here on AST but for some reason some people just choose to sweep in under the rug in favor of some notion that we are "JUST" turning into a socialist nation. Get real please.

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It's an example. I don't want your social security or medicare or any of the other socialist programs given to you by our government and paid for by our taxes.

I was saying that Universal Health Care is no different then the large number of other "Social" government programs that are used to take care of people.

I have health care, I pay taxes and I want health care for everyone. I want the sick to get better and I want the poor to be able to go to the hospital. Many of the signs I saw in the 912 protest were about "Slacker get a job" or "Get your own health Care" or "I don't want to pay for your problems."

I was out of a job for 4 months. My health care ran out after one month. I felt a strange feeling when I went to the hospital to get my medication and they said..."You no longer have coverage...You have to go elsewhere." They wouldn't even let me pay for the drugs...(not that I would want too because they were $200.00) Thank god I did not really need them that bad.

I know there are people out there worse off then I was for that short period of time. I know people, hard working people, that have been out of a job for 6 months. (no fault of theirs) Without coverage...that can carry a heavy toll.

Get it right, make sure the bill is right, find the right plan and stop being a 3rd world country america.

Originally posted by Asktheanimals

reply to post by takaris7

 

I say end socialism....end food stamps, end welfare, end Social Security, end Medicare and COBRA, end government funded housing and college education programs, end free hospitals and public schools.

Thanks, it's good to know that you would gleefuly pull any medical insurance that I have out from under my feet.

I became partially paralyzed 2 years ago with spinal cancer and am unable to work. I also have brain cancers that they want to remove soon but risk losing my hearing when they operate.

Social security hasn't even bothered to give me a hearing yet for disablilty, I suppose 16 months is just too short a notice for them.

My wife got laid off 3 months ago and without cobra we couldnt even afford my precription drugs. Without cobra I suppose I'd have to go
out and rob people like you just to be able to survive.

By the way, I have been paying into social security for 36 years
AND I HAVE NEVER ASKED FOR ASSISTANCE FROM ANYONE.
Be careful what you would choose for others, some of us may
not be as fortunate as you.

[edit on 13-9-2009 by Asktheanimals]

The far right is just as unAmerican and Unpatriotic as the far left. Both do damage to our nation and want to usurp power from the government.

Frankly I'm tired of the shrill voices from both sides. I'd instead like to see something get done for a change.

Are you in space? You must be..or are you talking in some other language...please verify....

Here are three...

The NSA warrantless surveillance controversy concerns surveillance of persons within the United States incident to the collection of foreign intelligence by the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) as part of the war on terror. Under this program, referred to by the Bush administration as the "terrorist surveillance program",[1] part of the broader President's Surveillance Program.

The USA PATRIOT Act, commonly known as the "Patriot Act", is a statute enacted by the United States Government that President George W. Bush signed into law on October 26, 2001. The contrived acronym stands for Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001 (Public Law Pub.L. 107-56).

The United States Military Commissions Act of 2006[1], also known as HR-6166, was an Act of Congress[2] signed by President George W. Bush on October 17, 2006. Drafted in the wake of the Supreme Court's decision on Hamdan v. Rumsfeld,[3] the Act's stated purpose was "To authorize trial by military commission for violations of the law of war, and for other purposes."[4]Following the filing of Al Odah v. United States, section 7 of the MCA was found to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court on June 12, 2008.

Originally posted by stevegmu

Originally posted by takaris7

Originally posted by Anonymous Avatar
reply to post by takaris7

 

Indeed you are right. Obama is working much harder to take away our civil and financial liberties than Bush did. That is saying a lot because Bush screwed us pretty bad.

Health Care? Come on now..What civil liberties? Please tell me. I sure will tell you what Bush did...which were cemented in our political system...and will take heavy construction to get out....

Do you remember these things or just choose to forget them?

Warrentless NSA wiretapping? Telecom immunity for participation?

FISA Amendments Act?

Section 7 of the Military Commissions act?

The authority to detain legal residents and even U.S. citizens in a military prison as "enemy combatants"

Sidestepping the FOIA...threatening journalists.

The judge and department of justice issue anyone?

Extraordinary rendition?

horrible uses of immunity for his Bush's administration to hide criminal activity?

FBI's TALON database shows the government has been spying on nonterrorist groups, including Quakers, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, and Veterans for Peace.

The last seven years, Democrats have repeatedly cited GOP political dominance to excuse their wholesale failures to limit, let alone reverse, the devastating war waged by the Bush administration on America's core liberties and form of government.


All this is well documented here on AST but for some reason some people just choose to sweep in under the rug in favor of some notion that we are "JUST" turning into a socialist nation. Get real please.

Virtually none of those programs were started under the Bush admin.

Guess we should also disband the army, the navy and the air force since these are also government funded and structured to serve the public at large. Put the post office, police force and the fire department in there as well. I'm sure there are a ton of private companies that are just waiting to jump on that mail delivery for $0.44 thing...

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I have reason to be concerned. Racism wasn't something that went away when Martin Luther King spoke in Washington D.C.. It didn't go away when a Black man was elected to the highest office in the nation. It was only 40 years ago when my parents were turned away from a "white only" hotel in Alabama. There is no card to play now...it was well played and still in circulation.

I see it permeating through my work place where we had to file two racial decrimination lawsuits. I see it flowing through the halls of congress itself where the black congressional members are treated differently then the "elite" white congressional members.

I see it when I look out on your 9/12 protest and see racist signs with monkeys on them or confederate flags or Nazi stuff. I have to be concerned. Organized by Glenn Beck? (which means fox news) I have to be concerned.

I see it well hidden in the Stormwatch forums. Reading about well to do White people with a hidden agenda. Thousands of them and some of them right in my back yard. I have to be concerned.

I am concerned because a black person is president. I am concerned that for 8 years during the worst times in American history, Presided over by a bumbling president. A president who fumbled Katrina, who ignored terrorists warnings and who wrestled our economy to the ground...

none of these faces I saw that day were protesting then. NONE. NONE at ALL.

Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by takaris7

 

Yes, I will say most of the protesters were Caucasian middle to upper age people who had no idea what the actual issues were.

How can you possibly make such a statement?

'Actual issues'??

This is America, and *my* issue is as valid as *your* issue.

You're making out like there was some kind of approved checklist of issues.

He has been in office for less then a year but it's painfully obvious the "Majority" is rallying against him not because of his relevant and important issues but his racial makeup.

Here we go again with the race card. Instead of discussing the issues, people whip out this tired old excuse.

Well, people are getting less and less afraid of being called racist, because they know that it is being used to make them feel unearned guilt.

It's not working anymore.

reply to post by takaris7


Can you post some pictures of these 'racist' signs you claim to have seen?

BUSH signed into law did he not? Bush violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance act by spying on US soil. President George W. Bush issued an executive order that authorized the National Security Agency (NSA) to conduct surveillance of certain telephone calls without obtaining a warrant from the FISC as stipulated by FISA. Sounds to me like Bush did that? Anyone agree with me? If it was SO ok then there would have not been any controversy right? Nothing to talk about on ATS.

The patriot act was also instituted (who cares if it was sitting on his desk for years) by President Bush during an amazingly opportunistic time. 9/11 or shortly after. He signed it...he and his administration pushed it through congress.=

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reply to post by takaris7


Yes Bush did all those things... and guess what the Obama administration is doing as well....

How does it always come down to this... partisan debate...

The majority of Republicans aside from the same sort supporting Obama and screaming what Bush did now... didn't like Bush as a president, he wasn't a true conservative, the only reason he won a 2nd term was corruption up to and including a fellow Skull and Bones member running a terrible campaign against him I assume he was not supposed to win.

These people regardless of who put bills into place are sick and tired after now 9 years of the same ol nonsense.. Obama hasn't kept one promise, he hasn't stripped one bit of what Bush did rather he is using now for other agendas.

Money uis till flying corporate the war is still going on, a whole new set of Constitutional rights like gun control and freedom of speech are legitimately under fire, no privacy has been returned it's getting worse and Obama is entering our daily lives more and more in many ways with his personal beliefs.

These people were peaceful, respectful and numerous and considering I am happy about this and didn't even know it was happening today it spells out to me that allot of Americans are getting mad.

I can't speak for everyone obviously....

But I could care less who put what into place, who is Black or white, what president is in charge I do NOT like at all what has been or is going on, lobbyists and corporations ruling my govt, a constitution discarded, a moronic ongoing war on drugs invasion or privacy, social policy a govt run on fear, zero transparency, heavy costs, inflation our money pouring overseas and not agendas and corporations and war...

Obama promised to do something about it and is just rolling the ball along.

I don't care who is in office, the system needs to be tore up and fixed... we have been robbed, betrayed, lied to and this isn't just about Obama it's about all of them, we need a major turn over in govt...

I say we oust everyone

If I had a movement it would be to oust EVERYONE Republican and Democrat over the next 3 years calmly and rationally via the vote...

If not for the videos on youtube and Alex Jones website, I would have missed this. I live in Cali and all the MSM have little to zero coverage of this huge demonstration. This is really making me angry. We are so close to NAZI state now, where MSM is owned by the NAZI party, except, in this case, the MSM WILLINGLY kissing up to Obama and the WH they worship.

What happend to the land of the free? This is all so manipulative and deceptive...