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Putin warns against Iran attack

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posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 03:44 PM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Those pushy media controlling robber barons out in LA are about to capitalize on the biggest PR marketing campaign in cross media broadcast history. No expense has been spared.

Coming to your screen is the first combined news and reality TV show ever. 128 bit video games have already been designed and ready for shipping. Plastic toys will be available to McDonalds customers, Wal-Mart is seeking exclusive rights to the action figures. The biggest franchising campaign ever imagined will be launched.

Key players have been booked for speaking engagements in upscale venues across the world.

Putin and Netanyahu had to sort out conflicts on territorial rights, royalty arrangements, ancillary revenues, grandfathering clauses.

Difficulties with the Kosher and Halal food product lines. Problems with the Chinese already producing knockoff merchandising based on leaked prototype designs. Israeli designed encoding to prevent copying of flashplayer streaming.

Projected to be the first multimedia effort to get consumer spending activated and bring the world out of economic malaise.


posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 04:02 PM
reply to post by mmiichael

Big STAR there my dear friend. At last some real information! Important information too. What with Wal-Marts revenues down by 11.621%

Just don't tell the kids what the video computer games actually do to them when they loose!

So it's a date for the Oscars, we can count on you? Please Michael no Wounded Knee Brando repeats...promise? Let's just give politics the night off for a change. What the heck permanently since a one world totaltarian dictatorship will be in place at the end of the show!

I know what you are thinking, what to wear, what to wear?

That is after all, as always the real dilema!

[edit on 12/9/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 04:29 PM
reply to ProtoplasmicTraveler

Sworn to secrecy, but Chinese hackers cracked into and it's hitting the Rumour Mill already.

Israel to be turned into a giant Theme Park! Holyland! Already plans for slightly smaller scale versions in California, Florida, Europe.

Saudis are fuming. Considering rides for Mecca in retaliation. Negotiations with Bin Laden to use as trademarked character.

Abbas totally onboard and trying to get an extension in the West Bank, currently slated as for dedicated airport, parking lot, low budget motels and trailer parks.

Mossad handling security and employee screening.

Hotels being built, fast food concessions applications being considered.

Special passports and currency that can only be spent on the premises.

Christian families initial primary targeted market. Side tour in Bethlehem with puchase of 1 week pass.

This will be BIG.


[edit on 12-9-2009 by mmiichael]

posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 04:44 PM
Ok...what on earth are you guys talking about...??

A new industry....

Something that is going to bring back the economy?

posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 06:20 PM
reply to post by mmiichael

A 2,000 year old Synagouge was just unearthed and revealed to the world Friday in Northern Israel by a construction and development company that now says they will build a cultural center and hotel around it instead of a condominium building on top of it.

This of course is why they need to expand the West Bank settlements! Every where else they try to build they unearth something???

The find is considered unusual because the floor had a stone carving of an unusual 7 branched menorah, which I have to say, I am not sure what a regular menorah has but took the article's statement that it was unusual at face value.

Evidently during that time period most Jews travelled all the way to Jerusalem to the Temple there to worship 3 to 4 times a year and there were few local synagouges, this makes a total of six supposedly that have been unearthed.

Of course the fact that a construction company unearthed it could also mean same construction company built that every one is looking Rome needs to make it look like there was actually a Judean religion before it invented Christianity!

As I said Rome will spare no expense with the production!

Oh the CIA already has exclusive rights to the Bin Laden© Franchise™ though judging from the videos they seem to be having a big problem finding the right person to star in the ongoing series.

Show business is a vicious business I tell you.

posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 07:55 PM

Originally posted by maloy
Putin is warning US/Israel not attack Iran because Russia wants to halt the expansion of US interests throughtout Middle East, and the world for the matter. So Putin is speaking on behalf of Russia. But the fact is, that in the long term Putin's warning is also for the benefit of the US itself. Why? Because attacking Iran might only solve some short-term problems for Israel and US, but will create far bigger long-term problems.

Excellent read

Here's another perspective though.

The Road to Tehran Does Not Run Through Moscow

Russia also benefits from the tense relationship between Tehran and the West: because of Western sanctions, Tehran cannot sell its gas to the lucrative European market. Instead, Russia and Gazprom remain Europe's dominant suppliers.

Were Iran to break out of its international isolation, either by abandoning its weapons program or undergoing regime change, European governments and energy companies would rush to complete deals that would reduce their dependence on Moscow. The consortium behind the planned Nabucco gas pipeline, which would bring 30 billion cubic meters (bcm) of gas a year to Europe while bypassing Russia, are already clamoring for permission to do a deal with Tehran. The Kremlin has little incentive to do anything that would undermine its ability to use gas supplies as leverage with their European customers.

It is unlikely the US will be able to convince Russia to take any meaningful steps against Iran (Washington has already all but conceded its strongest bargaining chip, the planned anti-ballistic missile system in eastern Europe that Moscow opposes).

At this point, continuing to seek agreement with Moscow merely drags out the process while the Iranian program moves forward. The US should stop emphasizing the need for Russian cooperation, focus on developing a common front with key allies in Europe and the Middle East, and continue offering to negotiate directly with Tehran. Though Russian help might be useful in the abstract, Washington will have to find ways to solve the Iranian nuclear problem on its own.

[edit on 12-9-2009 by SLAYER69]

posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 10:49 AM
reply to post by maloy

But if Russia was so interested in having Iran attacked, it should stand to reason that it wouldn't be so vocal about speaking against such an attack. It would just stand on the sidelines quietly and add fuel to the fire. However Russia has continuously expressed concern about the strike on Iran and warned against it. Maybe thats just words, but I think there are genuine reasons why Russia wants to avoid such conflict.

Russia needs Iran as an ally. This is why it is not acting behind backstage alone, it does all it can to show Iran who its only real ally is. With all current very good relationship between Russian and Iran, Iranians do not feel the need to do whatever Kremlin wants. South Osetia, Abkhazia are not recognized - as an example. Or issue with non-military Russian airplanes....
Iran wants to be a player,not a pawn, and if Russia would be too much in the shadows it would stay a player even if attacked by Israel. Chavez is ok as a pawn, but Ahmadinejad can be a rook on the board.
I feel that current Russian leadership wants Russia to be superpower again (which is ok) ,but they feel that to do this it is easier to destabilize the situation and then look for easy prey then to slowly rebuild empire by investing a lot of time and money in economy and science - and this is not ok.

posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 11:20 AM
reply to post by sanchoearlyjones

According to today's Observer newspaper Russia has the biggest veto on any military action taken against their Iranian neighbours...oil & gas

Europe fears winter energy crisis as Russia tightens grip on oil supplies

Russia's stranglehold over dwindling global energy resources was dramatically confirmed yesterday when new figures showed that the country has become the world's biggest exporter of oil.

With production in August hitting record levels, Russia toppled Saudi Arabia from the number one spot. It is already the world's largest exporter of gas, and supplies around a third of the European Union's consumption.

The news is likely to heighten unease in EU capitals over the Kremlin's tightening grip on energy reserves. There are fears of a repeat of January's debilitating gas war between Russia and Ukraine – which saw winter supplies to EU consumers cut off for weeks. Members of Opec agreed to cut oil production last year in response to the economic crisis. Moscow indicated last December that it would follow suit but instead ramped up production in the second quarter of 2009, as new fields in Siberia came on stream.

Russia produced almost 10 million barrels of oil a day in August, according to International Energy Agency figures – a post-Soviet record. Relations with other oil producing countries are likely to come under increasing strain, since Russia is now profiting from Opec production cuts.

"The fear is that Russia will get a big head," Andrew Neff, an oil analyst with Global Insight in Washington, told the Observer. "Not only is it the world's largest gas exporter but now the world's biggest oil exporter as well. The question is will Russia want to exploit its feeling of superiority and demand a seat not just at the table, but at the head of the table."

Saudi Arabia has been knocked from top postion in oil production, and the Russians now hold a far better hand and no doubt will use it to their own advantage

[edit on 13-9-2009 by Taikonaut]

posted on Sep, 13 2009 @ 12:32 PM

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
Russia needs Iran as an ally. This is why it is not acting behind backstage alone, it does all it can to show Iran who its only real ally is. With all current very good relationship between Russian and Iran, Iranians do not feel the need to do whatever Kremlin wants. South Osetia, Abkhazia are not recognized - as an example. Or issue with non-military Russian airplanes....
Iran wants to be a player,not a pawn, and if Russia would be too much in the shadows it would stay a player even if attacked by Israel. Chavez is ok as a pawn, but Ahmadinejad can be a rook on the board.
I feel that current Russian leadership wants Russia to be superpower again (which is ok) ,but they feel that to do this it is easier to destabilize the situation and then look for easy prey then to slowly rebuild empire by investing a lot of time and money in economy and science - and this is not ok.

Excellent analysis. Russian and Iran are similar in that they are heavyweights in the resources game, wat to be in the major leagues politically, but have mismanaging leadership and severe economic problems.

Bringing others down with increased problems is their common approch to climping the pole. Both resent the US superiority and make concerted efforts to create difficulties for them.

Not particularly productive or helpful for the people living in these countries.

The extra wild card is Putin quielt conced Mr A in Iran is quite mad, the Mullahs out of their legue and delusional. It's a waiting game to see them make a serious misstep. They keep trying to do so.

For very obvious reasons Israel takes the most seriously the parallels between the Rise of Iran and how Germany rose in the 30s.

Pretty much everone would like to see Israel hit Iran hard, but evertone is fearful that it will lead to a widescale nuclear conflagration among supporting countries.

We can only speculate Nentanyahu went to Russia to gauge what their response would be to the next step. That in itself might be intended as a signal to Iran to watch themselves.

Concventional war with tanks and troops keeps receding as a viable option to wars. Iran is tough to penetrate with it's unfavourable terrain. Russia certainly does not want to roll into Iran. It's ability to engage in conventional battles are long gone, despite the pretense of preparation.

Iran has played their nuclear hand watching how far Kim in North Korea goes, and gets away with it. Most world intelligences realize this, and it's a matter of waiting to see what they'll do. Iran enjoys the atteention and provoking Israel and the US at every opportunity.

They push too hard. Maybe they already have.


posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 06:57 PM
reply to post by sanchoearlyjones

I have to star you because you are one of the few people not only on this board but at several relevant boards that got this right.

People, especially in the US don't understand how important these things are. Many people put an effort to present well informed opinions yet their grasp on how things are in the other side is as relevant with the real situation as relevant are the threads about the galactic federation of light. they don't even have a clue how interconnected eastern Christianity is with Islam in terms of end of the world scenarios.
You could see entire populations shifting sides if Russia decides to play the right card and US will be left with only too many enemies from the outside and from within. Getting hold of the local governments will only go so far. You can't control the populations, if they decide to choose a side and really have believed that the end times card had been played by the US by an unthoughtful move in the middle east. The allies map will change in a blink of an eye. Intelligence knows this, the government knows this, but they always try to keep the population in the US largely uninformed. Situation in Turkey for example is that it is consistent of 1 third neutral, 1 third crypto-orthodox, one third Islamic and the tide is going to bring them if not in the defensive, it's going to render them neutral. The biggest and best ally in the region is going to be rendered neutral. Russia is very well aware of this and they just have to wait for the US to make a move they can exploit.
Would it be a wise move to make a mistake in the Middle east to gain an dubious advantage while risking to lose the whole Mediterranean (minus Israel) party of allies and upsetting the situation against their favor and established status quo? Next thing you will see is Russia marching all the way to Istanbul, next thing you'l know is game over. Middle eastern countries will going to be parting the alliance because they will be loosing their safety buffer, which is Turkey if a situation occurs and they will not like going against Russia. Rest of med countries would have to play the neutral card as Italy and Spain surely would. This leaves northern Europe unprotected, Germany nailed down in fear of nuclear retaliation and only Britain left to bang its own drums, but for how long?

People just don't understand how interconnected things are in the Balkans in relation with Caucasus and Middle east. There is no option of surgical procedures, it is like a domino and now with the dollar hitting bottom you can just feel there are many who just want an excuse of parting the alliance.Israel is just a whole different matter and many would be surprised in how fast they would seem able to change alliances if things go bad and also put the blame on the US.
Allies are good up to the point they really will be there for you. Guns are good only if they can be effectively used. If none of the above is true in my statements, then Iran would be long gone.

People are just plain ignorant. A little history reading about European history (especially eastern European) between 1000 to 1700 AD wouldn't hurt, i suppose US wasn't even on the map back then and here lays all the real reason for all of our future woes.

The only hope the US has is not attacking Iran (which will not, despite the Israeli rhetoric which might be just a concerted show) but to create a political situation in Iran similar to Turkey, which btw is extremely unstable for years and unfortunately it is possible it will continue on like this in the future. Recent events in Iranian elections has been confirming this IMO is the way US is planning to go concerning Iran.

[edit on 15-9-2009 by spacebot]

posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 08:17 PM
Vladimir can warn all he wants to but in the end, there isnt anything he can do about it. Im not speaking of the US, i dont think the US is going to attack, but i sincerely believe that israel will...especially if talks and talks about sanctions just keeps dragging along. If Israel wants to attack Iran, there is nothing Russia can do but sit back and watch and then make life miserable for Israel aftewards. But stop it? No. Not at all.

posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 09:30 PM
There's a good analysis at Stratfor Global Intelligence:

Russia, one of the main members of the P-5+1, already has made clear it opposes sanctions under any circumstances. The Russians have no intention of helping solve the American problem with Iran while the United States maintains its stance on NATO expansion and bilateral relations with Ukraine and Georgia. Russia regards the latter two countries as falling within the Russian sphere of influence, a place where the United States has no business meddling.

To this end, Russia is pleased to do anything that keeps the United States bogged down in the Middle East, since this prevents Washington from deploying forces in Poland, the Czech Republic, the Baltics, Georgia or Ukraine. A conflict with Iran not only would bog down the United States even further, it would divide Europe and drive the former Soviet Union and Central Europe into viewing Russia as a source of aid and stability. The Russians thus see Iran as a major thorn in Washington’s side. Obtaining Moscow’s cooperation on removing the thorn would require major U.S. concessions — beyond merely bringing a plastic “reset” button to Moscow. At this point, the Russians have no intention of helping remove the thorn. They like it right where it is.

In discussing crippling sanctions, the sole obvious move would be blocking gasoline exports to Iran. Iran must import 40 percent of its gasoline needs. The United States and others have discussed a plan for preventing major energy companies, shippers and insurers from supplying that gasoline. The subject, of course, becomes moot if Russia (and China) refuses to participate or blocks sanctions. Moscow and Beijing can deliver all the gasoline Tehran wants. The Russians could even deliver gasoline by rail in the event that Iranian ports are blocked. Therefore, if the Russians aren’t participating, the impact of gasoline sanctions is severely diminished, something the Iranians know well.

Tehran and Moscow therefore are of the opinion that this round of threats will end where other rounds ended. The United States, the United Kingdom and France will be on one side; Russia and China will be on the other; and Germany will vacillate, not wanting to be caught on the wrong side of the Russians. In either case, whatever sanctions are announced would lose their punch, and life would go on as before.

There is, however, a dimension that indicates that this crisis might take a different course.

After the last round of meetings between Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and U.S. President Barack Obama, the Israelis announced that the United States had agreed that in the event of a failure in negotiations, the United States would demand — and get — crippling sanctions against Iran, code for a gasoline cutoff. In return, the Israelis indicated that any plans for a unilateral Israeli strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities would be put off. The Israelis specifically said that the Americans had agreed on the September U.N. talks as the hard deadline for a decision on — and implementation of — sanctions.

Our view always has been that the Iranians are far from acquiring nuclear weapons. This is, we believe, the Israeli point of view. But the Israeli point of view also is that, however distant, the Iranian acquisition of nuclear weapons represents a mortal danger to Israel — and that, therefore, Israel would have to use military force if diplomacy and sanctions don’t work.

For Israel, the Obama guarantee on sanctions represented the best chance at a nonmilitary settlement. If it fails, it is not clear what could possibly work. Given that Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has gotten his regime back in line, that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad apparently has emerged from the recent Iranian election crisis with expanded clout over Iran’s foreign policy, and that the Iranian nuclear program appears to be popular among Iranian nationalists (of whom there are many), there seems no internal impediment to the program. And given the current state of U.S.-Russian relations and that Washington is unlikely to yield Moscow hegemony in the former Soviet Union in return for help on Iran, a crippling sanctions regime is unlikely.

Obama’s assurances notwithstanding, there accordingly is no evidence of any force or process that would cause the Iranians to change their minds about their nuclear program. With that, the advantage to Israel of delaying a military strike evaporates.
And the question of the quality of intelligence must always be taken into account: The Iranians may be closer to a weapon than is believed. The value of risking delays disappears if nothing is likely to happen in the intervening period that would make a strike unnecessary.

Moreover, the Israelis have Obama in a box. Obama promised them that if Israel did not take a military route, he would deliver them crippling sanctions against Iran. Why Obama made this promise — and he has never denied the Israeli claim that he did — is not fully clear. It did buy him some time, and perhaps he felt he could manage the Russians better than he has. Whatever Obama’s motivations, having failed to deliver, the Israelis can say that they have cooperated with the United States fully, so now they are free by the terms of their understanding with Washington to carry out strikes — something that would necessarily involve the United States.

The calm assumptions in major capitals that this is merely another round in interminable talks with Iran on its weapons revolves around the belief that the Israelis are locked into place by the Americans. From where we sit, the Israelis have more room to maneuver now than they had in the past, or than they might have in the future. If that’s true, then the current crisis is more dangerous than it appears.

Netanyahu appears to have made a secret trip to Moscow (though it didn’t stay secret very long) to meet with the Russian leadership. Based on our own intelligence and this analysis, it is reasonable to assume that Netanyahu was trying to drive home to the Russians the seriousness of the situation and Israel’s intent. Russian-Israeli relations have deteriorated on a number of issues, particularly over Israeli military and intelligence aid to Ukraine and Georgia. Undoubtedly, the Russians demanded that Israel abandon this aid.
As mentioned, the chances of the Russians imposing effective sanctions on Iran are nil. This would get them nothing. And if not cooperating on sanctions triggers an Israeli airstrike, so much the better. This would degrade and potentially even effectively eliminate Iran’s nuclear capability, which in the final analysis is not in Russia’s interest. It would further enrage the Islamic world at Israel. It would put the United States in the even more difficult position of having to support Israel in the face of this hostility. And from the Russian point of view, it would all come for free. (That said, in such a scenario the Russians would lose much of the leverage the Iran card offers Moscow in negotiations with the United States.)

An Israeli airstrike would involve the United States in two ways. First, it would have to pass through Iraqi airspace controlled by the United States, at which point no one would believe that the Americans weren’t complicit. Second, the likely Iranian response to an Israeli airstrike would be to mine the Strait of Hormuz and other key points in the Persian Gulf — something the Iranians have said they would do, and something they have the ability to do.
Some have pointed out that the Iranians would be hurting themselves as much as the West, as this would cripple their energy exports. And it must be remembered that 40 percent of globally traded oil exports pass through Hormuz. The effect of mining the Persian Gulf would be devastating to oil prices and to the global economy at a time when the global economy doesn’t need more grief. But the economic pain Iran would experience from such a move could prove tolerable relative to the pain that would be experienced by the world’s major energy importers. Meanwhile, the Russians would be free to export oil at extraordinarily high prices.
Given the foregoing, the United States would immediately get involved in such a conflict by engaging the Iranian navy, which in this case would consist of small boats with outboard motors dumping mines overboard. Such a conflict would be asymmetric warfare, naval style. Indeed, given that the Iranians would rapidly respond — and that the best way to stop them would be to destroy their vessels no matter how small before they have deployed — the only rational military process would be to strike Iranian boats and ships prior to an Israeli airstrike. Since Israel doesn’t have the ability to do that, the United States would be involved in any such conflict from the beginning. Given that, the United States might as well do the attacking. This would increase the probability of success dramatically, and paradoxically would dampen the regional reaction compared to a unilateral Israeli strike.

posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 10:06 PM
reply to post by mmiichael

Thats a pretty grim picture there Michael and that doesn't even take in to effect scuttled ships or other underwater obstructions that the Iranians could quickly think.

Clean up could take at least a month to make shipping lanes passable again and only once hostilities had concluded.

The impact on the economy from oil prices would be the straw that broke the camel's back.

Last summer (one year ago) the speculators jumping out of real estate into oil futures driving up the price past the 100.00 level was in many ways the catalyst that set up the huge wave of foreclosures as the working poor and middle class had to decide whether to get gas to get to work and groceries for the table that had shot up almost 40% because of fuel costs or pay their house notes, car notes and credit card bills.

Go figure most of them opted for groceries and gas!

It's a heck of a price to pay just to stick the Shah's son back on the throne.

Rome and it's contracts.

On a brighter note the local Shul invited me to come celebrate High Holidays with them Michael.

I tell you the real time Jews versus the virtual ones really love me!

They offered me a nice shiny apple and everything...and I unearthed perhaps the most startling conspiracy ever during the interaction.

You should be sitting down for this one buddy...

The tell me Hebrew National Hot Dogs are not Kosher!

Woe, Nelly, knock me over with a feather. What's really suspicious is all the vendors who sell cooked Hebrew National Hot Dogs, vend Pepsi and not Coke!

Scary stuff there compared to the Iranian thing huh?

What a world.

posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 10:48 PM
I dont know. I think Israel may attack completely on their own. The US doesnt have to "assist" them in crossing Iraqi airspace....rather they just do nothing. Is that the same thing? Might be hard to prove if you know what i mean. If Iran does "close the straight", expect it to be closed for no longer than a couple of days. At that point, the vital interests of a LOT of countries will come into play and no matter who they agree with (Israel or Iran), the one thing they will agree is to open the straights at whatever costs (sucks for Iran).

posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 11:00 PM
Protius Maximus,

I've regularly check the Stratfor analysis. Not always right and with biases, but more often on the money than any single source else. Countries use them on policy matters.

They take a geopolitical perspective which few do. It’s more than a giant chessboard.
Immediate concerns, budgets, short term alliances, budget constraints – all have to be factored in with every new crisis.

What people in the West never see in these constantly shifting complex equations are the activities of the silent but salient players. Right now hummers are all over. Saudi A and Jordan are having a showdown on terrorist support. Iran in the background and up to no good in Yemen. Mr A with the military is enacting a coup d’etat of the Mullahs as we speak.

Something very ugly may or may not happen as early as this weekend in Germany, US cities, elsewhere. A muzzle on the intel, but heavy duty. Al Qaida franchises haven’t been picking up second hand nuclear stuff as a hobby.

The media gets what it can from it’s usual sources. For sure a lot of jockeying for position these days is inevitably about oil. But those key providers are fighting among each other like never before. The oil will always flow, and it will get more expensive no matter who has their hand on the faucet. Right now corporate mergers and wars are brewing to reconfigure the landscape.

If life were simple it would be about Israel and Iran in conflict, but they’re really just the most vocal players on the stage. There’s a log jam that’s about to break. Obama wants to see Israel do the heavy lifting, so he can benignly waltz in to clean up the mess. Putin has his own strategies – but among them is not defending Iran in a clinch. When everyone loses, he wins.

The US non-involvement everyone clamoured for is here. And we’re seeing the problems don’t just dry up and fly away. They get worse. Obama’s unwillingness or inability to assert himself is making everyone realize they have to resolve their issues directly.

Some big surprise coming. Everyone will say “Why weren’t we told this was happening.”

Well you were, but you weren’t listening.


posted on Sep, 15 2009 @ 11:30 PM
reply to post by mmiichael

I get what you are saying Michael where you and I see things a bit differently is that I believe there is still another layer, possibly two layers down.

In other words yes the pieces on the board create a reality on the ground with the pieces on the board.

Yet it never factors in to it who is really controlling the players on the board, and it never really factors in to it either who set up the board.

In other words the Black Jack Table in the middle of the Casino Floor isn't really where the game is going down, but rather in the count room by the guys who are taking off the skim, yet the real game is going down in Chicago and Kansas City where the skim gets sent too tax free and off the books...

Follow the reasoning. I know how to play text book Black Jack and count cards too up to two decks. If I want to cheat, I can always go ahead and align my Ying and Yang and just play utilizing my inherent power to manifest the actual outcome, or I could just sit there and smile pretty and make eyes at the cute female dealer and ponder how much she spent on her manicure.

The game itself is not really what the game appears to be, I can understand why people like to play Black Jack, though I must confess I am a Bacarat kind of guy, the cocktail waitresses are pretty, occassionally some interesting people sit at the tables and play with you, and of course it's a great place to dress to impress.

This game? I don't know if I approve.

Some of the players appear to have been at this game to long and a little too wound up in it if you know what I mean. 24/7 Games always are about the house trying to wear down the players. To get them emotionally involved, off kilter, off focus, off center. Personally I recomend never playing more than an hour at a time, and taking extended breaks to see the local sights, explore the cuisine and check out a show, and staying self disciplined and analytically detached.

To many of the pieces, and that's who these people are all is pieces, are too wound up in this game, and I suspect some of the actual unmentioned players might be too.

Michael my friend, there is something between the G and the D, that hyphen, that dash, that blank represents something.

What ever it is that intercedes between the G and D, might have to intercede in this if some people don't relax and take a chill pill.

No messing up the house, we will tolerate no guerillas in the swimming pools or the casinos!

Be forewarned!

posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 09:38 AM
reply to post by mmiichael

Good post there miichael, but Stratfor is Stratfor. They have to please allies and friends like everyone has one unfortunately. Problem is that Russia even if Iran's nuclear capabilities are diminished by Israel in an offensive manner, that doesn't hinder Russian foreign politics a bit in the region. I am sure they have developed other plans as well and prepared to use other avenues too for advancing their own goals. We might even see after a while Russia playing somehow a neutral card in order of a possible Israeli offensive in case Putin's margin in the poles goes down. He could use the public consensus against Israel for the favor of advancement of other plans, both in his own country and abroad. What Israel believes, I am not sure about. But certainly they know they are between a rock and a hard place. While creating an offensive against Iran they will risk losing other key allies in the region, or at least risking turning the public consensus of these allies against them. They would introduce a political instability in many areas including in their own state that initially they could well do without. If we have taken some notice, political events especially considering major political and military decisions have shifted after 9/11. Now the main fashion of doing things is through some unexpected occurrence in the public field, in order for enough public consensus to be gained.
Yes, the PTB succeeded in turning the population docile and numb but this is also their biggest obstacle in advancing their indented goals. In this light, false flags is the way to go for the PTB, they have no other choice. So, they can either decide to have a chain of false flag events in order for their goals to be advanced and risk global instability and chaos or... nothing. They don't have much choices as I see it. I expect, completely unexpected moves (no pun) or alliances under the table from regional controllers of the global scene, like Israel. In this philosophy of things I am not too sure how global powers that are in the forefront like the US would handle such a new reality. Somehow I can only see betrayal and treachery. Once the cow has been milked dry it can be used as a cannon fodder. I really feel uneasy about the US and it might not be just them. Maybe the whole current system needs to undergo a radical change in order for the TPB to advance their plans on us. That is why talks about offensives and hard headed politicians scare me. Something is going on behind our backs and I am sure that is not something we could welcome with open arms if we knew about it.
I feel that the PTB hasn't much choices left. Either stagnation (for them) or everything unexpectedly is to turn upside down in a blink of an eye someday.
I think they just want to restart the whole system and are carefully placing their elements in order for them to realign themselves in a more prominent position, with more convenient allies and circumstances, and of course even more power at their disposal.

[edit on 16-9-2009 by spacebot]

posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 02:17 PM

Originally posted by spacebot
I expect, completely unexpected moves (no pun) or alliances under the table from regional controllers of the global scene, like Israel. In this philosophy of things I am not too sure how global powers that are in the forefront like the US would handle such a new reality. Somehow I can only see betrayal and treachery. Once the cow has been milked dry it can be used as a cannon fodder. I really feel uneasy about the US and it might not be just them. Maybe the whole current system needs to undergo a radical change in order for the TPB to advance their plans on us. That is why talks about offensives and hard headed politicians scare me. Something is going on behind our backs and I am sure that is not something we could welcome with open arms if we knew about it.

I feel that the PTB hasn't much choices left. Either stagnation (for them) or everything unexpectedly is to turn upside down in a blink of an eye someday.

Agree with your analysis. Glad to see someone else looks at Stratfor.

Still the best publicly available intelligence gathering. Texas based their prime clientele is Fortune 500 companies and international intelligence agencies. But always informative. You just have filter out their pro-American stance in their analysis.

No simple answers on Iran-Russia-Israel-US. A stalemate all around. All realize any misstep could be as calamitous.

Right now grave economic concerns for the US, Russia, China, Europe, Israel putting them into struggle for survival mode. The last thing they’re looking for is launching an outright war. It’s not so profitable any more.

Still, all eyes are on the Middle East particularly Iran – the histrionic irrational wild card. Major changes are in the wind for the region. Decades of stagnation the result of massive corruption and gross mismanagement have take their toll. It’s not easy to hide any more. The oil wealth has not materialized as economics salvation. Unrest in the population is something that will have to be dealt with soon. Radical Islam is providing the most appealing offer. The Western confrontation is being pursued at an increasing pace

As you suggest, something is going on. Undercurrent battles are being fought. Invisible economic strangleholds and buying out regional political influence is the name of the game. The press is not being alerted, and they’re incapable of figuring it out for themselves. They’re best at covering explosions and deaths, not backroom meetings and back stabbings. Even the most astute Western journalists are missing the big picture.

So without fanfare, the US is quietly moving into Pakistan in preparation for confrontation. The terrorist networks are co-ordinating another blood thrill photo op series of events. New maps are being drawn along lines resource and drug biz lines in Central Asia, Africa, Latin America.

Keeping the public informed is not the concern it was. Everything spins out of control, so what bother telling the truth. So it’s really calm before the storm right now. Every body is waiting for someone else to make the first step. And then they’ll respond accordingly.

We can guess who is most likely to crack under the strain.


[edit on 16-9-2009 by mmiichael]

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