Overthrow the democratically elected president, "how patriotic"

reply to post by Southern Guardian


When I was born, it was not a state and they only had ONE form.

Since you have not idea what swearing an oath of allegiance to the constitution is about, I will chalk up your incivility to allegiance to liberalism.

The point is, if I, a vet, have to show my paper to find work, then he, as a leader should show leadership and HUMBLY demonstrate his autheticity.

Don't you understand English?

Uh, exactly what are you guardian of? It can't be the constitution.

[edit on 11-9-2009 by skycopilot]

Originally posted by truth_seeker3
I feel abused.

Im terribly sorry about that.

The President should not be Impeached or hanged or any of that sorts, but you should at least be able to vent about his outrageous policies

You have every right to say what you want about his policies, and I will be standing right next to you for anybody telling you what you cant and can be critical of. However the point of my OP is clear, just because you dont like the president because of his policies, or his backround, doesnt give good cause to overthrowing the man. I know Obama is firmly placed in the president, and I know the threats of the armed chair revolutionaries over here is as effective as whining but if folks were hypothetically given the chance, they would remove this man without any further say and point is, this man was constitutionally and democratically elected, and removing him over your own fears is not in any way patriotic and not the will of the democratic process, not the will of the majority.

ou have obviously never studied The Constitution either.

Really? So I was wrong to say he was democratically elected? I was wrong to say he was confirmed in december 2008 by congress and the electoral college? How so? Did he miss out one important process? Did he have to walk over lava and bow down to the confederate flag before officially becoming president? Really? What did I miss in the constitution? Please let me know teacher.

But then again, the People consisted of White, property-owning males when they wrote it.

I dont see whites only in the constitution, and Im pritty sure nobody here will deny the rights of the constitution being applied to americans across racial, religious and ideological lines.

Lets look at past examples in history:
-Hitler
-Stalin
-Atauturk

Your comparing Obama's administration to some of the most horrific men in our history. It is indeed highly offensive, especially to the victims who suffered under those men, that a petty sour grape compares his ideological frustrations of today to the mass murders of yesterday. Very poor attempt.

This is a lie and offensive to me.

Really? Hows it offensive? That the armed chair revolutionaries on ATS do not speak for the rest of the country? Tell me does the consensus in South carolina or texas or Alabama dictate the will of the nation as a whole? Is this a democracy? Or was your intention to have this nation really as a conservative monarch with the word "democracy" and "republic" added to it?

Most of the country does not understand our Constitution

Im sure folks are smart enough to understand their rights to vote in this country and their rights to the choice of their candidate, and they did so in November of 2008.

Yes. In fact it is our duty.

Uh no its not your duty. A small portion of this nation does not make the decisions as to who can be president and who cannot be, as written in our constitution.

The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves. And they shall make a list of all the persons voted for, and of the number of votes for each; which list they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates, and the votes shall then be counted. The person having the greatest number of votes shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such majority, and have an equal number of votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately choose by ballot one of them for President;

www.law.cornell.edu...

So, again, do you make the majority consensus of americans? If you had the power to overthrow the president of the United states, and you knew the majority of americans supported him, with no reason other than his policies to do so, would you still choose to oppose the constitution? You see, this is where the constitution works its best, not for our own selfish interests.

I'm probably wrong,

Yes you probably are.


[edit on 11-9-2009 by Southern Guardian]

reply to post by skycopilot


It was not a state, it was a territory am I correct? Or was the DC area? Either way Obama did present his short form birth certificate which is sufficient enough under Hawaii law. You may not personally be satisfied with this fact, but you dont dictate the laws and the guidelines of the constitution thankfully.

By the way you demand this president show you his long form? I demand the long form birth certificate of every other president as well.



[edit on 11-9-2009 by Southern Guardian]

reply to post by Southern Guardian


I throughly enjoyed your sarcasm. But in fact you got me on one point I believe (not in front of me) but yes indeed I am comparing this adminstration to one of the most violent and oppressive in history because they follow many of the same tactics of leadership, not per say slaughtering minorities or people agaisnt them, but how they BECAME that way.

I'm going to use that age-old Hitler-Obama comparison, but yes they are very similar. Extremely accomplished public speaker who got masses to follow him. In his early years, Hitler was pretty decent to his people at the time, but as soon as the time arose, he because ruthless and bent on violence and murder.

Not saying that Obama will do that, but it is something to consider.

Your last point, saying


"Uh no its not your duty. A small portion of this nation does not make the decisions as to who can be president and who cannot be, as written in our constitution. "

Yes a few point DO make that decision in fact. The Electoral College was conceived so the masses COULDN'T elect a President who wouldn't work well.

In the Constitution, you are right, but these days multi-billionaires control the media who can say whatever they damn well want to the media, and you can't ignore the fact that a few people with money in their hands swayed the vote.

You can quote the Constitution all day (Which I'm okay with GO AMERICA!) but in reality little of it is very true during elections where fraud, disfranchisement and bribery often takes place unseen and unknown to everyone.

Humans are not perfect, how can we expect a perfect election.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Last post to you - you obviously know nothing whereof you speak. The long vs short form was only provided in HI for a relatively brief time. I have no problem demanding the evidence of any prez of any party.

I am clearly a threat to you as you are glad I do not interpret the constitution. By all means, let's have justices who interpret law 'better than a white man" a la the most recent Latina justice.

"A false witness shall not be unpunished,and he that speaks lies shall not escape." Prov.19:5

reply to post by Southern Guardian


I don't think our other Presidents had a damn foreigner as a father, I don't think our other Presidents had other nation's passports, I don't think other Presidents's family members claimed they were present when the other Presidents were born in another nation, and the list goes on, and on, and on, and on.

This SOB pulled some fast ones to get elected, and he continues to pull fast ones to stay elected.

His life is one big black hole of information. Doesn't want anyone to know how he paid for his education, doesn't want his transcripts and school records released, and just appears to be a person manufactured out of nowhere, for the sole purpose of destroying the US.

So if he goes down - like I give a a damn.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Very well said,too bad I can only flag this once.

reply to post by dooper


What does any of this matter, no disrespect to you but you are ignorant as well as all of us to the family make up of our past presidents.

reply to post by Eight


Jesus Christ. I do understand that early on, many of our Presidents and their families were foreign born.
[snip]

Neither Bush had a foreigner as a parent, nor did Clinton, nor did Reagan, nor did the peanut farmer, nor Ford, nor Nixon, nor did Lyndon Johnson, nor Kennedy, nor Eisenhower, nor Truman, on and on.

PLUS, these men were well known, tested, proven, had been on the scene for decades, and didn't just pop out of nowhere like this current pretender.

This stupid SOB we have now has no history, certainly none of degree that can be documented, and no long form, AND all the other anomalous "actions" that no natural born citizen could have done.

Documented travel to certain other nations alone are disqualifying.

He may be your dream, but he's a nightmare for this country.


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Just what we need more partisan bs and antics,I don't know what's worse that in a site whose motto is "deny ignorance." that we have many posters who still buy into the two party scam almost refusing to believe that there is no difference between either Democrats and Republicans in the end they all wanna rob us blind and we have allowed them to simply because of the sports team mentality that people on both sides have.

Originally posted by jam321


Got to disagree. The media favored Obama. But can you blame them. I mean the Republicans nominated John McCain. That speaks for itself. The people elected Obama because they believed in what he said, they believed it was time for change after 8 years, and the economy was pretty much stinking.

Obama deserves more credit than you give him. He worked his butt to earn what he got. Yes the media shined on him, but they wouldn't have if he had not agreed to be so available to the press.

.Yeah yeah, old Barack "Hollywood" Hussein Obama. Gee I can't tell whether he is a wannabe movie star or just too damn lazy to get back to his job but I know a 50 million dollar party to celebrate his election doesn't hurt. I used to defend Obama too like Souther Guardian only without giving the impression he was my father or a public relations damage control dude paid by the Grand Obama himself.

I don't think he worked his butt off in fact it would be hard to prove he did since their is nothing you can find to substantiate his meteoric rise to fame and fortune other than the crime syndicate boss's the terrorist fund raisers and the many communist and muslim groups that were throwing millions at him. As for McCain, it wouldn't have mattered who it was, voter anger at the republicans was at an all time high so I doubt anyone running on that ticket would have won no matter who it was.

That wasn't what got me from defending Obama to wishing he was dead. It is the fact that I remember when his camp was making all that fuss about McCain being born in panama and they wouldn't let it go. They pressed and pressed when finally the subject came up about HIS birth certificate where he stalled 6 months we waited then a fake came up and they got busted and snopes and factchek quiclkly changed their story and denied they did.

That was the end of my trusting both of those sites.

Then another one came up but by that time nothing but his vaulted BC would have been sufficient havcing been caught once already.

Then the full investigation urged by the Obama camp to see McCains vaulted BC. It was a tatterd old thing but he did what the American people wanted of him because he wanted us to believe he worked for all americans. Then it was Obama's turn and I never bought the lame excuses as to why what the American people wanted was not good enough for this man to provide and I have heard em all but every day that went by as the millions started joining, the more he gave conciliatory "booby prize" BC's and third party testimony as Barack will never say in public where he was born when asked, he always has someone answer for him. Doesnt want to get caught in a direct lie.

Even when he was asked during a private party where he was speaking, rather than answer the question, he made a joke about being born on mars. Funny? Not really. answers the question ?

Nope.

I see people like Southern Guardian and all the other zealots kissing obama's ass, as those who just haven't quite got it yet.

That all of them need to be fired and the next election what we need do is VOTE none of the above firing every single solitary incumbent out of office and I mean ALL of them.

If they are still there the next day, then we got a problem

and so do they








[edit on 12-9-2009 by Stylez]

This pretty much sums him up for me and I know for a fact he was part of the Democrats for socialism when he was a senator for illinois.

He had illinois so messed up with his spread the wealth garbage that the cops salary was lowered to $6.00 an hour in some areas.

Naturally that caused a huge problem.



I don't like Glen Beck very much but this man is telling it like it is and Ive been around long enough to see kennedy buy it in that convertible.

Where is someone like LHO when you need him.

reply to post by OldDragger

You know what? Overthrowing The President ( any President) by violence is a very dangerous game. If you try, be aware that the rest of reserve our right to put you in the Federal Pen, or into the ground. Just so the rules are clear.

I believe all people that would begin a revolution understand the risks. But thanks for the information, George Washington was a revolutionist. Our Country was founded by revolutionists.

I would like to quote some of our forefathers but instead I will quote myself. It is my signature.

To forget is human, to forgive is divine, to enslave is government at its most basic.

Our government and most governments of the world have become unsustainable by the mere fact that they try to control the population by giving or promising to give everything that is needed. They also play groups of people against each other. I tell you what, I will agree to taxation of the banks, highest paid individuals and corporations at a rate of 95% if that money is given directly to the lower 99%. Otherwise I will not agree to any taxation.

Originally posted by skycopilot
Last post to you

I've heard that one before.

you obviously know nothing whereof you speak.

Really? Do we no vote for our presidents? Is it not the role of congress and the electoral college to confirm eligibility? You folks are telling me Im getting the constitution completely wrong, and yet you fail to state where or how. Telling me im just "wrong" or argument sake doesnt do anything.

The long vs short form

The short form birth certificate is the legal certification of birth and under the state of Hawaii is sufficient evidence of birth right. You may not feel its good enough, but thats not my problem.

I am clearly a threat to you

Your a threat to me yet your the one making the "last post". But anyway, nice having you join us here for the time.

"A false witness shall not be unpunished,and he that speaks lies shall not escape." Prov.19:5

Thats good reference, i should use that one.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by OldDragger

 

SO let me ask you, why in the hell should anyone CARE what you like or don't? Too freakin bad. The shallowness of thinking like this amazes me. It's not ABOUT YOU spoiled boy!
Obam won. Game over.

Winning a Presidential election in a representative republic is not a referendum or mandate to become or be a dictator.

The democratic process is one that is comprised of debate. Debate is comprised of dissent. People for and against issues arguing the pros and cons of said issues is what comprises and constitutes said debate.

Winning office, just means winning the right to be a representative and advocate of a party, not elevation to a position of authority above all others in a dictatorial manner meant to eliminate or stifle debate or dissent.

Perhaps if you spent more time studying U.S. History, the Constitution, and the American political process instead of playing X-box, and Nintendo you wouldn’t be inclined to think that the American electoral process is a contest and game to elect a dictator?

Maybe you should actually familiarize yourself with said game, and it’s actual rules before declaring it over?

No one has eliminated or stifled debate except those who have decided to go to Townhall meetings with the intention to disrupt them, by yelling over their representative rather than remaining civil.

Please explain how Obama has acted like a dictator. The election gives him the authority to lead the executive branch and the enforcement of the laws he signs. If your party loses an election, that doesn't mean you are being taxed without representation. The original American colonies had no representatives in the British Parliament, but you have representation in the House and Senate, regardless of that Rep's political affiliation.

What if over 50% of the people want him out, can we do it then?

Where does it say in the Constitution that we cannot just go in there and toss people out? I believe the founding fathers knew that at any moment the people could toss out their elected officials and elect a new one.

I see nothing unconstitutional, or even unamerican about the people throwing congress and the president out on their behinds. What would be unconstitutional would be if a new leader appointed himself, rather than being elected. Am I saying I want Obama out or for people to actually do this? No, but it would be nice if we got a new congress lol

Originally posted by AnonymousMoose
What if over 50% of the people want him out, can we do it then?

Where does it say in the Constitution that we cannot just go in there and toss people out? I believe the founding fathers knew that at any moment the people could toss out their elected officials and elect a new one.

I see nothing unconstitutional, or even unamerican about the people throwing congress and the president out on their behinds. What would be unconstitutional would be if a new leader appointed himself, rather than being elected. Am I saying I want Obama out or for people to actually do this? No, but it would be nice if we got a new congress lol

So what is going to stop the process of throwing people out?

So do people who do not like the next president get to throw her out?
Can we preemptively throw her out?

What is the point of any of it then?

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Forgive me if this has been brought up but wasn't this country founded on a rather violent and bloody rebellion against the British? And didn't the founding fathers advocate having militias in case the government grew too powerful and needed to be stopped? Wasn't that what the 2nd Amendment was all about, stopping tyranny were it to crop up again...

That being said I have to partially agree that there is something just plain off about all the so-called Conservative Patriots who are angry with Obama. You see for 8 years I hated Bush and wanted a Revolution (a peaceful kind, but a revolution nonetheless) and yet the PTB managed to stop it somehow. And now we have Obama and it seems this time the PTB, the forgers of the dangerous illusion that is Left-Right politics, seem to be playing up the anger. This is why Tea Parties, originally started by supporters of Ron Paul, have been hi-jacked by those still trapped in that Republicrat illusion. It seems the PTB have used the irrational hatred of Obama to turn American against American all the while further diverting our attention from the "man behind the curtain" who is the real enemy...

That being said I see nothing inherently wrong with overthrowing someone, its part of what America was built on, but we must be careful, if we are going to overthrow anyone let it be Gepetto and not Pinocchio, destroy the puppet master and the puppets will fall...

reply to post by truth_seeker3


Excuse me but do you mean atatürk? as in mustafa kemal atatürk? What makes you think he is a good addition to that list?