The hysteria that has erupted since his election is not due to the fact that he is not the huge change many hoped for, but more due to the fact that many people have been persuaded that he has made a huge change and that we are now heading into some kind of communist dictatorship.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by OldDragger

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SO let me ask you, why in the hell should anyone CARE what you like or don't? Too freakin bad. The shallowness of thinking like this amazes me. It's not ABOUT YOU spoiled boy!
Obam won. Game over.

Winning a Presidential election in a representative republic is not a referendum or mandate to become or be a dictator.

The democratic process is one that is comprised of debate. Debate is comprised of dissent. People for and against issues arguing the pros and cons of said issues is what comprises and constitutes said debate.

Winning office, just means winning the right to be a representative and advocate of a party, not elevation to a position of authority above all others in a dictatorial manner meant to eliminate or stifle debate or dissent.

Perhaps if you spent more time studying U.S. History, the Constitution, and the American political process instead of playing X-box, and Nintendo you wouldn’t be inclined to think that the American electoral process is a contest and game to elect a dictator?

Maybe you should actually familiarize yourself with said game, and it’s actual rules before declaring it over?

On March 28, 1861 the United States Congress adjourned sine die (without assigning a day for a further meeting or hearing, for an indefinite period to adjourn an assembly sine die). In other words Congress went home at the start of the Civil War with no intention on returning. To call the Congress back into session De jure (concerning law and principal) would have required the Speaker of the House and Majority Leader of the Senate to set the date at a later time.

This never ever happened. Let me repeat there has been no legally sat Congress or Senate per the United States Constitution since March 28, 1861.

The Congress was called back into session de facto (concerning fact and in practice) by President Abraham Lincoln who had not the Constitutional Authority or Power to do so.

Legally, technically and factually the Constitutional Government of the United States ceased to exist forever March 28, 1861. It became a de facto War Time Emergency Government a CORPORATE Government operating under Contract Law because at that point the United States Constitution became desuetude (an outdated doctrine that causes statutes and similar legislation to become unenforceable by a habit of non-enforcement or lapse of time.) Legal doctrine says that when something falls into desuetude and continued non-use that it is rendered invalid.

Not only did Lincoln not have the legal authority to call Congress into session under the Constitution, the Congress being illegally sat, lacked a quorum (In law a minimum number of members of a deliberative body necessary to conduct business of that group). A legislative body not meeting a quorum can not vote. The seceding States were only seceding over an unlawful attempt to infringe upon the Constitution and over an attempt to amend it illegally without a quorum and that is what caused the legal Congress to convene sine die. Lincoln’s illegal and dictatorial actions in decreeing Congress in session de facto while in sine die prevented the real Congress from ever reaching a Constitutionally legal agreement to call it back into session de jure by the Speaker of the House and the Majority Leader in the Senate. Thus the Constitution was violated at its core and fell into desuetude.

There has not been one Constitutionally Legal Law passed since March 28, 1861.

When Lincoln called Congress back in to session illegally by Presidential Decree the Office of the President became a Dictatorship (for all you out there wondering why a democratic congress that despised Bush would keep passing all his Bills and requests for money) and began operating under the United States Code of law, which is nothing but Corporate Contract Law, and turned the States each into a Corporation which created States Codes of Contract Law under the United States (the District of Columbia) the parent Corporation.

First friend I must tell you I am not partisan. I do not advocate for a party or party politics. I am against big government, and unconstitutional goverment, which basically means the last and only President that really earned my trust and respect was Andrew Jackson.

Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by xmotex

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The hysteria that has erupted since his election is not due to the fact that he is not the huge change many hoped for, but more due to the fact that many people have been persuaded that he has made a huge change and that we are now heading into some kind of communist dictatorship.

I think it can be divided up. You have group 1 who are against Obama because he is a Democrat. You have group 2 against Obama because in their opinion he promised change and they feel he hasn't delivered. Of course, they forget he still has 3.25 years left. And then you have group 3 against Obama because they are following one of the two groups above.

Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by Southern Guardian

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First of all, it ain't no Conservative thing. It is merely your assumption and die hard belief that it is a conservative thing. you confirm the assumption when you say

"You may not like Obama for all sorts of reasons but he was democratically elected as president on November 4th 2008."

The quote above is true. People do dislike Obama for various reasons. Some reasons are legit and others aren't. Some who dislike him are conservatives and some aren't. Yet, in your eyes they are all conservatives.

Second, I am really surprised that you take threads such as overthrow and birth certificate so seriously. You and I both know that Obama's position as President is secure and the odds of him being removed by one of the options above is basically zero.

So, why the big fuss? Is this really about Obama or just another opportunity for you to debate with conservatives? I am sure that you are well aware that most people apply the constitution based on their belief rather than equality. hypocrisy? Yes, I would say it is. But aren't we all hypocritical in our views to some extent.

Finally, this quote

In addition to this, the mere fact you all kept your mouths shut over the last 8years only the speak up now clearly shows that this has nothing to do with the constitution

You don't have to keep up bringing the last eight years just to defend Obama. Let it go. It isn't no longer about the last 8 years. It is all about now. Nothing can change what happened the last eight years. Some people saw them as bad, some as so-so, and some as good and Obama's years will be seen in the same fashion.

IMO, he still has 3.25 years left and people who are against him are underestimating him. There is still plenty of time for him to recover this economy and be well on his way to winning his second term.

The odds are in Obama's corner and it just surprises me that many are already counting him out.

I think this may be the biggest group at this point and the group your allegiance to is obvious.

Originally posted by JBA2848
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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First friend I must tell you I am not partisan. I do not advocate for a party or party politics. I am against big government, and unconstitutional goverment, which basically means the last and only President that really earned my trust and respect was Andrew Jackson.

So you have never liked this country in your whole life. Glad to know that. I say you have never liked this country your whole life because you were never born when Andrew Jackson was president. And if you have never liked this country why stay here. They have less rules for you in Juárez Mexico where the drug dealers run the place.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by JBA2848
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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Like you I was born where I was born, and like you I was born as property of the corporate state.

Unlike you, I don't enjoy being property of a corporate state, and unlike you I have the genuine concern to consider that if something is totally broken because it has been corrupted it should be fixed.

YES many would use the constitution as a device to give the corporation FREE reign
of every aspect of life. All determinations to be made by those who posses money
and therefore dictate the level of freedom that best suits the solidification of that power.

Might you reference the volumes of history in which the corporation promoted practices that in this very age would be deemed barbaric. However if left to the sheer ideals of
self determination would still occur in this day in age. So it is very easy to promote the merits of complete social darwinism - but that might be overlooking the fact that
Country is defined as - A COLLECTION OF PEOPLE...

No doubt government has been awful, but no doubt it serves as the equalizes in a money driven society.

Originally posted by xmotex
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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And where is the dictatorship?

If he were a dictator, why is he fighting to get his healthcare bill passed - a dictator wouldn't have to

The contention of the OP is that peaceful dissent is good, using force to overthrow a democratically-elected government is no.

Also, IMO, I don't think the hatred expressed for this particular president is largely coming from fed-up independents, but from ideological opponents on the right.

The hysteria that has erupted since his election is not due to the fact that he is not the huge change many hoped for, but more due to the fact that many people have been persuaded that he has made a huge change and that we are now heading into some kind of communist dictatorship.

Which appears to be happening only inside their heads.

America's political culture has had problems for a long time, and the government (at all levels not just federal) has been becoming more intrusive.

But what we are seeing on ATS is not a reaction to that, it is the demonization of a single individual.

Having said that, the Constitution (not that it matters) does not grant you the power to exile me to Mexico, where I would just be forced as a natural human being to help try to make the world a better place from there instead of here.