Sonic Weapons Used in Iraq Positioned At Congressional Townhall Meetings in San Diego County

I am reading this right now
www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov...

And will respond as soon as I finish my chores and found anything interesting.

Thanks

Everyone else is welcome to do the same

Pretty scary if this is ever used as a mass deterent or worse...a weapon. Clearly this is on hand in case of something massive coming into play...like say mass protests and or riots.

Can't imagine any good can come from a machine like this. Someone is bound to be injured or killed.

ATS started talking about this a few years ago and now it's here.

I'm glad we're on top of the issues but dang this sucks.

A search on Active Denial System which, I think, is what the domestic version is called or LRAD will bring up many in-depth ATS discussions on the topic.

It's a sad state of affairs that any police agency would consider using this against citizens who are calling to account their elected representatives, especially at an authorized, sanctioned venue for that specific purpose.

It's ironic that they don't trust us, when clearly they are the ones not to be trusted.

Wasn't the LRAD on an episode of Future Weapons?
Didn't look too bad, I could understand it's use in riot's but not at political meetings

It is interesting that some folks contend that this thing just 'produces sound', as if that were all it did. It's also interesting that they assume that they know all there is to know about this construct based on... internet research? As if .gov would ever tell the general public exactly what their toys are capable of. Sound based weapons have been in sci fi for decades, it was only a matter of time before Unky Sam tinkered with it. This thing might not be a klingon disruptor, by a long shot, but assuming you know exactly what it is capable of is just silly. Sound-based 'weapons' should never be trusted. After all, if it didn't work, why would they use it?

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Originally posted by kosmicjack
A search on Active Denial System which, I think, is what the domestic version is called or LRAD will bring up many in-depth ATS discussions on the topic.

No, you are completely wrong. The ADS is NOT even close to being an LRAD.

The ADS is microwave technology that sends microwaves in a beam. The LRAD is JUST SOUND.

As for everyone else PELASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, educate yourself, and research before you post! You are all destroying the quality of ATS. This topic, when read by people who actually know what the LRAD is, is a complete comedy! It's a joke, a complete laughingstock. It makes ATS look really bad in my opinion.

The LRAD is just a directional sound speaker, only capable of 150db max. There are professional commercial speakers that are capable of more than 150db. There are other devices capable of doing more than 150db. The LRAD is only a non-lethal weapon because it hurts your ears, but is generaly just a PA system.

If you read the article, they only used the LRAD to issue voice commands, because that is what it was designed for. Instead of using a helicopter with a PA system, they used the LRAD.

Did you know there is an LRAD on the Queen Marry 2 cruise ship?



Are you going to make some type of conspiracy out of that too?? Why would the Queen Mary need an LRAD systems capable of damaging your ears??..... Think about it.... BECAUSE ITS JUST A LOUDSPEAKER!

I think you guys are really paranoid.

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Thanks for the correction. There's a lot of info in those threads and I confused the two.

Originally posted by Nines
As for everyone else PELASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, educate yourself, and research before you post! You are all destroying the quality of ATS. This topic, when read by people who actually know what the LRAD is, is a complete comedy! It's a joke, a complete laughingstock. It makes ATS look really bad in my opinion.

Being condescending won't help you prove your point
THIS is what brings the quality of ATS down, not healthy debates.

Originally posted by Nines
Why would the Queen Mary need an LRAD systems capable of damaging your ears??..... Think about it.... BECAUSE ITS JUST A LOUDSPEAKER!

When you say capable of damaging your ears, do you mean the passengers of the queen mary?

If so, then I guess you, who says research before posting didn't think much before posting this.

It's a Directional speaker, you can direct sound.
To say that if it really causes damage to the passengers then why keep it on the ship is like saying if don't shoot a gun while aiming at a target in front of you because everyone behind might also get shot

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The loudhailer-style device is often used by UK and US troops and is capable of causing permanent damage to hearing from a distance of more than 300 metres (984ft).

Mr Groves said shock-waves from the LRAD has damaged his hearing and claims he now suffers from tinnitus.

news.bbc.co.uk...

It is clearly a weapon

Now think of this

On full power, the device can emit a concentrated, 150 decibel [dB] high energy acoustic wave

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And the fact that the brain has a tendency of mostly hearing the loudest sounds within sound.



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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Being condescending won't help you prove your point
THIS is what brings the quality of ATS down, not healthy debates.

I am not trying to prove anything, nor am I debating, because everything I have said on this topic is 100% truth, and has already been proven before I even got to this topic.

I am just trying to wake some of you fearful people up, and telling you the truth, but most of you would rather keep your eyes shut and fear everything you don't understand. Sometimes being condescending is the only way to reach people, and it is NOT what brings the quality of ATS down... actually, blind posting ignorance does.

By telling you people how wrong and uneducated you are would probably force you to educate yourself. Someone has to tell you.

Even if this was a debate... can you even imagine debating someone who doesn't even have the slightest clue what they are talking about? How do you continue a debate with someone who is clueless? At one point or another you have to tell them they are clueless, and to go research first.

So really, go research first.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
When you say capable of damaging your ears, do you mean the passengers of the queen mary?

I mean ANYBODY. If you would have looked at the pictures though, you would see the LRAD is pointed out to sea, so it obviously isn't for passengers.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
If so, then I guess you, who says research before posting didn't think much before posting this.

Actually, so far, it looks like I'm the only one who does research and think before posting on this topic. You just didn't understand what I was saying... you didn't think about it long enough before posting.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
It's a Directional speaker, you can direct sound.

Umm that's what I have been saying on this topic already.... thanks for the echo.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
To say that if it really causes damage to the passengers then why keep it on the ship is like saying if don't shoot a gun while aiming at a target in front of you because everyone behind might also get shot

Um, what? I didn't say anything about passengers. You failed.

I obviously was being sarcastic when I asked about the LRAD being on the Queen Mary 2. The LRAD on the Queen Mary 2 is to warn boats that approach too close to the ship. It is not for the passengers.

The sarcastic point I was trying to make is, the Queen Mary 2 has an LRAD on it, and it's a non-lethal weapon. If the LRAD is such a bad scary thing like all of you people are claiming, then why is it on a cruise ship?

Never mind.. you obviously didn't get it. Not surprised.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
It is clearly a weapon

Ok then, my guitar amplifier and speaker stack is a weapon too then.

Because, it is capable of 150db, and it can also give you tinnitus if you are too close to it. Wow, my guitar is a weapon! Sweeet.

My drum set is a weapon too! If you hit the cymbals hard enough and long enough, you can also damage your ears, and get tinnitus.

Oh man, my home surround sound system is a weapon too!!

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
And the fact that the brain has a tendency of mostly hearing the loudest sounds within sound.

Your brain has a tendency of hearing sounds!??!?!

You mean your ears right?

Seriously, the LRAD is just a speaker that makes loud sounds. It's nothing to fear. It's actually a crappy non-lethal weapon, but has a few good uses.

This topic is just fear mongering.

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Pretty incredible using these at the town hall meeting but not surprising that they would do this. Either the site has been brought down by nefarious means or simply high traffic either way when the site is back up i would love to see the pic again that they had of the devices. Creepy

Bunch of fear mongering, passive aggressive, paranoid, psychotics in this thread. Jesus.

Anyway I lived in that part of San Diego for a decade or so. While I didn't attend this event, I don't see the problem with the mere inclusion of these devices. However, to call them mere loud speakers is a gross understatement and borderline ignorant.

The bottom line is, these devices were brought along in case the people got out of hand. Second of all, local law enforcement is not going to be part of some shadow government plot to quell uprisings and oppress free speech. It would have been up to the men and women of the Sheriff's department to use that device, if they felt their lives or safety were in danger. It's nothing more than simple preventative action, on a local scale people.

No reason to break out the tin foil hats, now.

We want to know WHY our Sheriff Dept has this weapon,”

CONPLAN is why.

please read these documents that were released just days ago, at least browse through them.

Newly Unclassified Documents 09, 09 ; Operation Garden Plot

Originally posted by overide

We want to know WHY our Sheriff Dept has this weapon,”

CONPLAN is why.

please read these documents that were released just days ago, at least browse through them.

Newly Unclassified Documents 09, 09 ; Operation Garden Plot

Amazing that this thread gets a ton of attention, yet the one with the information that really matters was barely replied to!!!

They are gearing up for 10/1/09. That is the effective date for the Serve America Act. HR1388 or better known as Obama's civilian security force.

www.opencongress.org... Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act. Check it out.

These LRAD send the sound out in a beam, no? If the sound is concentrated, it would be like putting your ear directly up against a 150db speaker.

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Can't really look at them as heroes anymore, at least specific ones. But even the good apples still work under the same umbrella that supports these crowd control initiatives.

MA your right, way too many people are beginning to feel this way about there heroes, i dont think law enforcement or the military are ready to acknowledge it yet.

It's also important to be objective here too, look, this is a san diego sheriff with a piece of technology from a san diego company. this could have been just a "good opportunity" for free publicity to show your product off.

*We don't know if the LRAD system(s) have been purchased by the sheriff dept or if it was just loaned to them for the day or what the specifics actually are.

*We know the system wasn't used on anybody that day.

*The sheriff dept(s) have good reason to be concerned about town halls if anything just for media frenzy coverage aspect of it. Of course they are going to want to show their readiness for any situation with all the hype around town halls.

*Its important too try to be friends with the sheriff and not foes. This should be obvious but it still needs to be stated.

and on the other side of the coin you have CONPLAN, OPERATION POWER GEYSER, GRANITE SHADOW whatever it's called. Yes, sheriff is involved too.

here's what i could find with "loudspeaker"

Aircraft with riot control agent disperser and loudspeaker capability.

(d) Provides psychological operations personnel and equipment to augment information office in the objective area as required by the task force commander. Insures readiness of Loudspeaker teams, audio-visual teams, light mobile printing teams, and other PSYOPs specialist personnel and equipment required in support of the task force information officer.

I think the important thing too remember here too is that the documents we do have, are just a text sketch imo of what the actual op technology is. we get a vague description of what is going on. I think this what you can deduct from the above information

Audio will be used in Psyops in some form of technology.

Even a Plane or Helicopter at low levels over someones house could be a tactic employed.

Newly Unclassified Documents 09, 09 ; Operation Garden Plot






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Seriously, the LRAD is just a speaker that makes loud sounds. It's nothing to fear. It's actually a crappy non-lethal weapon, but has a few good uses. This topic is just fear mongering.

audio weaponry is no joke.

A Short History of Sound Weapons Pt2: Infrasound January 14, 2008

Infrasound is low frequency audio beneath the human range of hearing. Infrasound constantly surrounds us, generated naturally; wind, waves, earthquakes and by man; building activity, traffic, air conditioners and so-on. Low frequency sound is used by marine mammals to communicate over vast distances and by birds to determine migration patterns.

At higher volumes infrasound of around 7-20hz can directly affect the human central nervous system causing disorientation, anxiety, panic, bowel spasms, nausea, vomiting and eventually unconsciousness (supposedly 7-8hz is the most effective being the same frequency as the average brain alpha wave). The effect is unintentionally (or not?) generated by the extreme low frequencies in church pipe organ music, instilling religous feelings and causing sensations of “extreme sense sorrow, coldness, anxiety, and even shivers down the spine.”(1) in the unsuspecting congregation. Low frequency sound generated naturally or by building work and traffic is said to be the cause of reported apparitions and hauntings (2) – blamed on the ghostly 19hz frequency which matches the resonating frequency of the human eyeball:

Frequency & effects:

7 Hz: Supposedly the most dangerous frequency corresponding with the median alpha-rhythm frequencies of the brain. It has also been alleged that this is the resonant frequency of the body’s organs therefore organ rupture and even death can occur at prolonged exposure.

1-10hz: “Intellectual activity is first inhibited, blocked, and then destroyed. As the amplitude is increased, several disconcerting responses have been noted. These responses begin a complete neurological interference. The action of the medulla is physiologically blocked, its autonomic functions cease.” (Gavreau )

43-73hz: ” lack of visual acuity, IQ scores fall to 77% of normal, distortion of spatial orientation, poor muscular coordination, loss of equilibrium, slurred speech, and blackout”.(Gavreau )

50-100hz: “intolerable sensations in the chest and thoracic region can be produced – even with the ears protected. Other physiological changes that can occur include chest all vibration and some respiratory rhythm changes in human subjects, together with hypopharyngeal fullness (gagging). The frequency range between 50 and 100 Hz also produces mild nausea and giddiness at levels of 150 – 155 dB, at which point subjective tolerance is reached. At 150 to 155 dB (0.63 to 1.1 kPA), respiration-related effects include substernal discomfort, coughing, severe substernal pressure, choking respiration, and hypopharyngeal discomfort.” (Davies) 100hz – At this level, a person experiences irritation, “mild nausea, giddiness, skin flushing, and body tingling.” Following this, a person undergoes “vertigo, anxiety, extreme fatigue, throat pressure, and respiratory dysfunction.”(Gavreau )

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What does a sonic blaster ("less-lethal" audio weapon) feel like?

I Was a Sonic Blaster Guinea Pig

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SCARRRRRRRYYYYY. The device sounds deadly and inhumane to the extreme but it's the people who downplay how destructive sound can be that's scarier. Remember they used sound to get Noriega to surrender in Panama? They said all they did was played heavy metal music but if they used a device such as the one of topic here of course he surrendered. As to a possible reason why San Diego Police have it at a town meeting could be recently politicians were faced with angry vocal crowds and a few physical confrontations within those crowds at town meetings. Seems to me whomever is at a meeting where the police decides to use this device will all suffer the same fate including the politicians.