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"Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18."
Originally posted by Nichiren
Unfortunately no amount of data will sway them any other way.
Originally posted by whatukno
I wonder if people are here actually searching for the truth to this matter or trying to contrive any evidence they possibly can to oust a president they have political and ideological differences with.
People were ominously silent when I brought up Bush's forms for comparison, I wonder why?
I just want to remind you that there's a 3rd form posted here (from S. Carolina) that has an additional signature requirement from the two listed in the OP.
Either there's something "not right" about it or we don't have enough information to make that judgment. I tend toward the latter for now. Hopefully, we can get some more info from other members asking for their state's forms.
Originally posted by Wormwood Squirm
I did not read this whole thread so someone else may have already pointed this out:
IMO the reason the two documents are different is because one is a federally filed document and the other is for all the States.
The criteria for each state may be different and most likely does not require the reference to the constitution as all states have their own laws.
I'm sure they filed these exactly as they were supposed to. Give me a break. The people filing papers for the President are going to make a mistake? I don't think so.
Originally posted by Matrix Rising
reply to post by Nichiren
Did you even read what you posted?
Obama is not a natural born citizen. He may be a native born citizen but he's not a natural born citizen.
It's a fact that Obama had Kenyan citizenship at birth and he was a citizen of Britain.
British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.
Kenya was a British colony at the time of Obama's birth.
Natural born citizen means a person born with two parents who were united states citizens.
The Founders would have just said citizens if it meant just anybody. They also had to grandfather themselves in because they were not natural born citizens.
It's clear Obama was born a citizen of Kenya and a subject of Britain at birth. He also took on citizenship in Indonesia as Barry Soetoro and that's why he switched his name to Barack Obama and his Passport and Indonesia adoption records are sealed.
Barry Soetoro would have to become a naturalized citizen.
Originally posted by liveandlearn
Okay, I missed that and am unable to locate it. Would you please point me in the right direction? Thanks
Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Now wait a minute, BH and whatuknow- what about those of us who were just as unhappy with Bush for other reasons as we are with Obama- and in some cases- worse?
Originally posted by whatukno
If the statement you are hinging this entire conspiracy on is present on one state form for Bush but omitted from the same state form filed for Obama you might have something.