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Topic started on 10-9-2009 @ 10:40 PM by phi1618

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- While apes evolved naturally into pre-human creatures, it was the will and desire of God that turned them into humans, an article in the Vatican newspaper said.

"The formation of human beings necessitated a particular contribution by God, though it remains that their emergence was brought about by natural causes" of evolution, it said.

The article, published in the May 5-6 edition of L'Osservatore Romano, was written by Italian evolutionary biologist Fiorenzo Facchini.

The article said that, "when the biological conditions necessary for supporting a being capable of reflective thought were attained, the will of God, the creator, freely desired it, and man came to be."

The article posed the question: Does this mean that humans evolved from chimpanzees?

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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 10:41 PM by phi1618

i think this speaks for itself, not that i support this view.......

isnt this supporting evolution? pre-humans into people....

reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 10:46 PM by jd140

I like this theory a lot more then the one that states that God made us as is.

I have always said that God and Evolution can go hand in hand.

reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 10:47 PM by phi1618

actually i dont think it says that at all, imo its saying god made us...but the way i see it they are calling evolution god.

reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 10:49 PM by gandhi

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This easily connects to the wistleblowers saying that the grey changed our chromosome to make us from what we use to be, to what we are. If you also haven't heard, they also said they are the ones who brought Jesus to us. Interesting find! star and flag for helping connect the dots.

reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 10:51 PM by phi1618

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hmm thanks for the add, didnt even consider that possibility. Yes its all making sense now.

reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 10:54 PM by Republican08

While apes evolved naturally into pre-human creatures, it was the will and desire of God that turned them into humans, an article in the Vatican newspaper said.

How does he know?

What divine power does he have that to know God did this?

I'd like to see his sources for this?

Or is this a privately revealed type of thing.

I mean if a guy is going to par himself with god, by speaking on behalf of him.... I want to see what he has!

reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 10:55 PM by gandhi

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No problem. Another add, November 21 and 22 i believe, apparently a UFO is going to land in Florida, during a football game i believe when cameras are pointing at it. Following on November 27, Obama will announce an Alien presence, that is friendly. 6 if I am correct, but who knows. This was said in a Project Camelot interview with Dr. Pete Peterson.

This adds to this, because i am guessing all will see their Messiah. Jesus. this is just me guessing, but it seems plausible if it is going to happen.

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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 10:55 PM by jd140

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Right, they are saying that both go hand in hand.

If there is a God (I don't know one way or another) then he made us. Over time through changes in the enviroment we were forced to evolve.

That would mean that God and Evolution could go hand in hand.

If we took both point of views and explored our origins like that then I would bet we would get further along in finding out our true origins.

reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 10:56 PM by The Killah29

Great the vatican is trying to take credit for evoultion. now they soon will take everything else that isn't christian and have it claimed as "god did it".

I personally believe that we are an ailen experiment with life.

reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 10:58 PM by jd140

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Argue how you like, but I see this as moving in the right direction. Now if the Evolution crowd would meet them in the middle they could start working together.

reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 10:59 PM by Republican08

Originally posted by jd140
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Argue how you like, but I see this as moving in the right direction. Now if the Evolution crowd would meet them in the middle they could start working together.

Ok, what would the middle ground actually be?

Won't add sarcasm in this, as much as you know I wanted to

reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 11:00 PM by monkcaw

The Roman church is always trying to scholasticize mysterious things. From transubstantiation, to the temperature of the fires of hell and now to evolution...what's wrong with saying "These things were not given to us to know, it's a mystery?"

reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 11:02 PM by liveandlearn

And for me the question is who was God? Who was their god?

Is it an illusion to ....?

reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 11:05 PM by jd140

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They basically said that Evolution is correct, while maintaining the God element.

If the Evolutionist would say that they can work with that concept and work with the Vatican scientist to pursue this line of thinking. They would have more hands exploring our origins. There wouldn't be any lines drawn in the sands and no bickering one side is right and the other is wrong.

The Vatican, in my opinion, is throwing out a truce. Evolutionist don't have to like it, but to pass up this gesture would do nothing to further our search for our origins.

reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 11:05 PM by JBA2848

Popol Vuh

So should we go with the Mayan beliefs of creation. The vatican translated it for us some time ago after years of being hidden in there vaults.

reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 11:08 PM by jd140

Originally posted by gandhi
reply to post by phi1618

This easily connects to the wistleblowers saying that the grey changed our chromosome to make us from what we use to be, to what we are. If you also haven't heard, they also said they are the ones who brought Jesus to us. Interesting find! star and flag for helping connect the dots.

Thats an avenue that could be explored more if both sides worked together. This could potentially help us explore other facets of our origins. That is if both sides would stop bickering back and forth.

Looks as if, to me anyways, that the Vatican is throwing out a truce.

reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 11:10 PM by virraszto

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- While apes evolved naturally into pre-human creatures, it was the will and desire of God that turned them into humans, an article in the Vatican newspaper said

So, what about the whole Genesis thing? How does that fit in with this new "God turned pre-humans into Adam and Eve." Did I gloss over the part in Genesis where it says God created wo/man from the rib of an ape?

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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 11:11 PM by newworld

I thought it was old news already that the vatican DID accept evolution theory.
www.timesonline.co.uk...

This is good news in a way; it shows that religions are capable of changing their views according to current times. This is a good way to hold on to many followers who also happen to be scientists.

A few religions should learn from this; their beliefs should be changed to adjust to modern times if they still wish to believe in some deity and still remain somewhat credible.

reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 11:20 PM by cloakndagger

I think Genesis has more to do with consciousness not just the physical features of man through evolution. At some point in man's thinking things changed dramatically. From just roaming around hunting and gathering to things like art and writing. Abstract thought. It was as if something happened over night. It might have to do with eating meat. A large source of iron through meat may have been what it took to change things. Maybe the forbidden fruit was meat. Maybe we were just herbivores before things took off.

If you take the gorilla now who is basically a herbivore and start introducing an iron rich diet I'm guessing things would change for that animal as well. It seems chimps are starting to get smarter because they have gotten a taste of meat. They are starting to make weapons and other tools.

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