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A question to extraterrestrials... Why?

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posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 05:04 AM
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under what circumstances would intelligent life et, or future us, have to intervene ...

but paradox's may exist ....

how can the substance that is making you up simultaneously be any other place at the same time ???? impossible ???




posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 05:05 AM
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Originally posted by soul of integrity
how can the substance that is making you up simultaneously be any other place at the same time ???? impossible ???


We call it 'Quantum Entanglement'



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 06:41 AM
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Originally posted by spidy
They have made themselves known to us already...the evidence is there, sightnings!!!!!!!


Hardly evidence, unless you quantify anecdotal as valid.

There are an entire number of explanations for what people may see. Many many.

It is not evidence.

My belief is there is something we are not aware of, but just what that is, I have no idea, nor is there any evidence to sway me.



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 06:45 AM
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Originally posted by Sliadon
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Zorgon,

Your odd and bizarre sense of humor never ceases to give me a good laugh or put smiles on the faces of ATS members!



-Sliadon


He keeps the masses on their toes at least!

One minute Im scratching my head, the next I cannot flag his posts enough.

It's a pleasure!



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 08:00 AM
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Hi Arrowmancer – your first two lines say it all for me.

Perhaps earth is a holiday destination. They look out of their space craft windows to view this amazing planet. If they pay a little extra they are allowed to get closer and mingle amongst us. Some arrive here on safari and they do some hunting.

Arrowmancer I say that tongue in cheek I don’t believe it but you can see how 2 + 2 = tall stories. For me it’s all the stories that are obvious fake just for 15mins of fame on ATS that make me a doubter – notice I didn’t say non believer.

MJ2



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by Arrowmancer
IS there a pact?


Originally posted by Arrowmancer
Why? It's driving me NUTS.

I would say, the things that don't make sense to you, you should ignore, until further proof is available that might make you re-evaluate.

I don't buy into the "pact" stuff myself. For one, as I said before, they'd have nothing to gain from it. For another, all the evidence of these things being chased off by the military tells a different story. Then of course there's the stuff from "Victor", which as far as I know hasn't been suitably debunked yet, and if true, shows there definitely isn't a "pact".

I would say that the various governments know these things are real, know what they are, and probably have captured a few, but beyond that, I just don't buy it.

I don't think that "disclosure" is going to happen, either. If some event, such as a huge UFO hovering over a city in broad daylight, were to happen, I expect the various governments to act just as surprised as the rest of us, and claim it's the first they've heard of it.


[edit on 11-9-2009 by Clickfoot]



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 08:42 AM
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In answer to the OP's original question: Why?

There is a far higher purpose in all things that go on here.

First and foremost is the "human" experience. Some things simply cannot be divulged without ruining that experience. In short, rhetorically, if you knew why you were here, why would you be here? "Alien" encounters do sometimes fall into that category.

Second, at some point what we term "evil" came to be. [NOTE: There is no such thing as "evil," but that is a discussion for a different board/topic] I'm certain that happened long before Earth was even a thought. Once that happened, a fork entered the stream of existence. Fast forward to our planet.

Third, Earth began as a jewel. "Evil" stepped in and corrupted everything. Ages/millennia/civilizations later, here we are today.

Fourth, our Earth, being a living being, has had enough and cried out for help. She is receiving it.

Fifth, as part of that help, as we are part of the Earth, we are given the same opportunity to "tag along." The vast majority of the human race accepted the invitation - so now we are also to receive help, but not without doing some work ourselves.

Sixth, now this is where it gets interesting. The control mechanisms that "evil" put in place to eventually, continually, enslave the populations (which is just about where we are) here have been given their last chance to turn around or face the consequences. This includes those "alien" races that co-conspire with the current governments here. You asked what would those races have to gain. Those races in fact have nothing to gain and everything to eventually lose. However, at the time they made their pact with the government, they didn't see that eventuality; their point of view was completely different - counting on the enslavement. IF the enslavement had been allowed to happen, then, yes, they would have had something to gain. That gain would have been the knowledge of how to manipulate we humans into something they could use for their nefarious purposes. That is my opinion. Why else study the human body so? Just like we reverse engineer machines others make so as to understand them and then recreate them to our liking, so did they. I'm sure the technology they traded were simply lollipops for the children and nothing of any real substance.

Seventh, regarding disclosure. That is coming. It is a necessary step in letting us move forward. While, yes, we do have the ability to "fix" ourselves, the control mechanisms that "keep us down" have become tight enough that some outside assistance is required to allow as many people as possible (all those that desire to do so) to move upward. Bear in mind that up until this point, "full disclosure" wasn't actually an option due to the "non-interference" option. Yes, that actually has a point. Do we not send children to school to at least learn the basics before we "let them loose" to learn the real stuff? Same with us, only this time we're going to be given a better opportunity than any previous times.

The human race, as a whole, is indeed ready for full disclosure, if done properly. The powers-that-be here have twisted things so well and controlled things so well it isn't an easy thing to simply accomplish as some of us are ready for. It has to be done delicately. Hence the working with the governments - "If you don't tell them, and tell them soon, we WILL do it for you and you won't like the consequences. Oh, and BTW, there isn't anything you could do to stop us, and you know it." If people are actually, factually, educated as to EXACTLY what has been going on, told who they really are, and given adequate opportunity to absorb that, there would be no issues. Understanding is the key.

This is what the "Dark Cabal" has feared and also why it will come to pass.

This is the answer to "Why" that you asked.

Hope this helps.



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 10:48 AM
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Between stupid Orson Welles broadcast of 1938 that scared the crap out of everyone and proved we couldn't handle the knowledge of extra-terrestrial life, and the Brookings Report that Nasa came out with in or about 1961, the PTB said the public couldn't handle it.

www.transparencynow.com...



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by BluePillOrRedPill in or about 1961, the PTB said the public couldn't handle it.


Yeah but since then Hollywood has been working its butt off getting us used to the idea from cute aliens like Ewoks and E.T... to making kids into Jedi Knights... to showing how Hu-mans can kick butt on these suoer races from the Old Star Trek to Independance Day...

Them bad dude Aliens better get that message..

Don't mess with the Monkeys on that Little Blue Planet in the middle of nowhere



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 07:27 PM
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Folks, don't stop now.... I've started research into Alternative 3, looked up references on UFO's, aliens, government, documentation, anything I can find to help fill in the blanks that I have.

I've discovered that there is zero credibility associated with anything to with Alternative Three. I've viewed several different versions of it, and zip. Great entertainment, though!

There was one wholehearted effort to completely explain the situation that made a lot of sense, but had nothing to back it up. If anyone can provide me with any info on where to start looking, a fresh perspective, as to the motives of aliens, anything about their effect on individuals or culture beyond the conspiracy theorism, I would be very grateful. Any credible testimony to a meeting with aliens? A conversation?



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 07:38 PM
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To do that would require one to BE an "alien" as those are the only folk who can really, literally, answer your question directly.

From your POV, anything else is pure conjecture.

Know this, full disclosure is coming, and soon, very soon. Obviously, such disclosure doesn't come with a "date," as that would simply ruin things (too much to go into on that note).



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 07:40 PM
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I personally don't believe there would be a pact of any sorts. More than likely the government(US) would be more likely to send their fighter jets after them and rely on reverse engineering than actually cutting a deal.

Also, as for the motives being the aliens in a pact...only one word comes to mind. Power. It's like those super big hotshots who think they are intellectually superior and thus need maids to do their bothersome toils. If the aliens can control the governments, and the governments can control the masses...well...you see where this is headed.

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posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 07:41 PM
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A question to people who make topics like this: WHY? How can any of us here on ATS possibly know the intentions and motives of an alien species? Afterall, we all come here in the first place to try to find out the answers, not the other around.



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 07:49 PM
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From other posts I've read on this site, there just may be those who can answer his question in the manner he wants...



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 08:02 PM
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Dear Arrowmancer

Thanks for at least reading my post about “Alternative Three”.

I am surprised however that you could get nothing from it.

Have a think about it like this it you have already not done so.

The aliens crash at Roswell a few survive long enough to tell the US authorities that earth is heading into a disaster and they know that for sure because of their capability of time travel faster than light speed and so on. In other words they can prove it with out doubt.

So from the human point of view the lid goes on, if the world as we know it will end in 70 or so years then the population would collapse that day if there where no lid.

The very kind aliens offer to help in the way of technology to take selected members of the human race off the planet in order to prolong the species. This in return for human DNA and a like. This indeed would be away to keep the secret from the human point of view. In other words all that work in this field of which if true there must be thousands if not tens of thousands.

Now the alien point of view is this they want the DNA samples and they want the human race to survive for the same reason so that is there motivation.

As I said I am not saying it is true but to me the secret has to be for more than just pissing a few of us off by destroying our belief systems. Anyway what ever the reason for the secret it is big perhaps even bigger than we can imagine.



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by spidy
HOw do we know for sure if the ET's are working with the government? Just because they might possibly hold information about them doesn't mean anything. What if all they are holding are dead bodies of some sort? I mean, for all we know the government may have captured and slaughter all of the ET's they've captured. I mean, thats what happens in wars on Earth half the time. The other half are just slaves, and i dont think we have any ET slaves running around, at least not that i know of. We need to LEARN from history, everything repeats itself sooner or later but in different form.


It could be many scenarios. One which you hinted at could be that the US obtained a crashed UFO and have partially back engineered its technology, but haven't had anymore contact with aliens (though they have been trying). Another scenario could be as one poster put it is that they see what type of culture we have and how we treat others and they don't want any part of us. A third option is that it could be like the movie The Forgotten, where they are here but we are powerless to do anything to stop them or deter them. A fourth option is that they have no reason to care about working with us just as we don't care as much to work with Amazonian tribes in world matter and such.

I believe it's a combination of 1 and 4. We got hold of one or possibly more crashed alien spacecrafts and have successfully and unsuccessfully back engineered enough to either get information moving us into directions we never thought of and/or actual products like circuitry and optics etc. etc.. And the other why would or should an alien species want to deal with us or help us. I mean what's in it for them, really. If the aliens as is always protrayed are little grey men that are 4 to 5 feet tall and slender, why would they think or want to attempt to help brutish beast like myself and others that are bigger and show a propensity for intolerance and hatred and preying on the "perceived weak". In their mind we would be barbarians. Some would say that they may have the capability to destroy us, but maybe the easier way for them is to avoid us and use their technology to assist them in any dangerous situation that might come up.



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 09:08 PM
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Putting myself in alien shoes, here.

If aliens had no interest in us, they wouldn't just hang around.
If aliens wanted our DNA, they wouldn't have to ask our permission to get it.


If I were an alien, I would look and see what the race is capable of. We can reverse engineer THEIR technology. We can learn to understand it on a fundamental level and allow it to shape our future.

Everyone get's onboard the 'they see what we do to each other' wagon. What about the flipside of the coin?

Humans are capable of the greatest atrocities. But we're capable of the greatest acts of compassion and kindness, as well.

In the end: IF I were an alien, I find a place where there are a concentrated group of people that would not only be open to my arrival, but warmly welcoming. I would find a group of people that would love me and still remain skeptical and objective.

Those people are right. Frickin. HERE.

But they do not.

Why? Perhaps they aren't as intelligent as we give them credit for. Perhaps they are calculating beasts waiting for our species to advance to a level where we can be used. Perhaps... they're playing a practical joke.

Always Why?

I'm not trolling for posts. I just hope that someone HERE might be able to give me insight, if not into motivation, then into thought processes... something that would help me figure it out on my own. Something in a news story that I didn't quite get. A nuance of a youtube video.

Or, Joy of Joy... an alien using ATS. Think of it... superior technology, what better group of people to study then the ones that see EVERYTHING headed their way? (And alot of things that aren't.)

Skeptics... we are. Suspicious... we are. Hopeful... we are.



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 09:30 PM
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Dear Arrowmancer

It would seam that in the USA an incredible amount of people are claiming to have been abducted. That have been subject to medical procedures without consent.

This too an extent that the events are know world wide even documentaries are being made to debunk the possibilities of such an occurrence. What is a government going to do, go public and say that they agreed to them taking a few hundred over a ten year period but they have broken the contract?

Anyway it is difficult enough for us to really understand each other so trying to understand an alien mind is subject to complete speculation and as we are human most likely totally impossible.



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 09:44 PM
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I think it has been pretty well explained by various posters thus far. Pretty much it seems like we are but one small planet and species in a VERY vast Universe and reality FULL of sentient life. WHY??? Well probably because we are here, life tends to be very social, I see not reason that would not be true for ET life. We are very likely in the early to mid stages of contact, IMO first contact happened long ago, and it is not some "mass landing" or radio signal like everyone thinks. It happens in a remote location and is seen by a select few representatives of the upcoming species (us in this case
), likely heads of state and/or the top scientists. From there I would imagine the disclosure process continues for sometime until the majority populace is ready.

However, in the case of us I feel we were prematurely contacted by the Greys, maybe other races who interfered and prematurely helped us advanced. So now there are MANY races involved and it has likely came down to the point where disclosure MUST happen soon IMO. Now by soon I mean anytime between now and 2030. I would be VERY surprised if we still are in the dark about this in 2031. I will say that when it does happen, it is not going to be like all the bs threads and websites claiming to predict it, it will just happen out of the blue in my humble opinion. But I do feel the time is approaching..You should check out this link about rumored ET motivations, information is by military officials reportedly.

ET Motivations



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by calcoastseeker
Some times their supplies run low and they know they can stop here and get what they need.


Yeah suck up some water, abduct a few cows, take out your favorite delicaies and toss the rest overboard




Maybe a little rest and relaxation.


Oh yeah.... 'seed' a few locals, get those anal probes out... fun times




And they fear us,just like you would if you stopped at a 7/11 in a bad neighborhood at night.


No we just smell bad...


[edit on 11-9-2009 by zorgon]


Maybe for entertainment too.I remember one of those Area 51 whistle blowers talked about seeing some tall whites in a casino in Las Vegas one time.



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