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All MUST have Healthcare?!

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posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 03:20 PM
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I have been looking around trying to find if anyone is as concerned about this as i am. Apparently Obamas healthcare plan will make it mandatory to have insurance, he even related it to a car. My problem with this is that

1) none of the plans are for free health care (i'm not for free healthcare but if you cant afford it then how can it be mandatory)

2) he never went over the repercussions for not having healthcare, hell he barely even spoke about it being manditory.

Where i live its pretty hard to find work so if this plan goes thru what the hell happens to ppl like me? Its one thing to have mandatory insurance on a car, you cant afford it then you cant drive... but what does a person do that cant find work and therefor cant afford even the gov't option? not live? Not exactly as similar as obama would like to think...




posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 03:33 PM
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We've been listening to everybody whine and moan about how we "Must Have Free Health Care!" so we have to support "reform".

Nobody listens when we tell them that it costs money and the poor and lower middle class will get to bear the brunt of the burden.

Now people are finally catching on to the fact that that health care is not a universal human right but a potential legislated requirement that will be forced and TAXED to allow the heavy hand of government another stick with which to beat the citizens.

Yep.

Those of us that struggle to pay those premiums already know about the ins and outs of promises versus reality.

Now many who were on the edge of affording it and expecting free healthcare will get to find out that they will be forced to pay for insurance they don't want or can't afford and will be taxed on it in the bargain.

The word FREE is a universal term for bend over.





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posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 03:43 PM
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I agree with that, most defiantly. I assure you though i was never one of those who wanted free anything. However unfortunate the cliche "nothing in life is free" its true and people need to learn that. Im not so concerned with all of the cost factor though there are always solutions to those problems. What bothers me is what happens like i said, to those who cant afford the insurance this is being forced upon them, and what control the government may have over what care you receive through that care.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 05:22 PM
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Found a post by someone stating that there will be a $1000 fine for those who don't have the insurance but how could that help if they cant afford it in the first place? I would like to know if this is true.


edit: for horrible spelling lol

[edit on 10-9-2009 by asafum08]



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 05:54 PM
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Current figures that I've seen on ATS say anywhere from $1000-$3800. Depends on whether you're single or have a family. I'll see if I can find that thread for you.


[edit on 9/10/2009 by soldiermom]



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 05:59 PM
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Here you go. I don't think anything is written in stone yet.

It's probably just a matter of agreeing on the amount before it's penned in.


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posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 06:05 PM
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Is there a specific section in the Healthcare Proposal that states, "All US citizens must have healthcare" ? Just curious. I think I will definitely be leaving this country if that is, in fact the case. If it is true, then I honestly believe that they are really pushing for the RFID chips to be implanted in every citizen.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 06:17 PM
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I don't know what kind of sick health care agenda is being planned in the US, but in Canada we don't think twice about those taxes anymore than we think about the taxes that pay for the roads or pay for schools.

Frankly, you may as well be complaining that your heavy tax burden lets dead beats with no jobs drive on your roads and across your bridges.

Its a pretty selfish self-centered form of thought. And frankly is probably brainwashing brought about by the lobby groups.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 06:28 PM
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This has been nothing new with this bill. C-span reruns the "Amendment Debates" on this bill time and again. Its rediculous. You have a dem fighting to amend the penalty amount to $700~ while you have a repub gregg sit back and fight against lowering the penalty.

Its degradeing to see a piece of law that is against everything be debated as a "must" have.

Love how they bring up car insurance ... if you do not have a car, guess what .. you do not get insurance. Hell last i Remember Rhode Island didn't make it a mandatory law to have insurance.

To Pick at it a bit more. For the underage. Its a requirement that the parents pay for health care plan for them. Other wise it will be easy to see penalties of mothers with children biteing both amounts.

And food for thought, How are they suppossed to monitor who does not have health insurance ? Doesn't sound like they are going to sit and wait for an uninsured person to wobble into the hospital then blast them. Sounds more as if they what a database tracking system..



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 03:29 AM
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Originally posted by asafum08
I have been looking around trying to find if anyone is as concerned about this as i am. Apparently Obamas healthcare plan will make it mandatory to have insurance, he even related it to a car. My problem with this is that

1) none of the plans are for free health care (i'm not for free healthcare but if you cant afford it then how can it be mandatory)

2) he never went over the repercussions for not having healthcare, hell he barely even spoke about it being manditory.

Where i live its pretty hard to find work so if this plan goes thru what the hell happens to ppl like me? Its one thing to have mandatory insurance on a car, you cant afford it then you cant drive... but what does a person do that cant find work and therefor cant afford even the gov't option? not live? Not exactly as similar as obama would like to think...


Figures American Politicians can Completely $%^# up a perfectly good system that works (albeit not perfectly) in just about EVERY leading country on the planet, perfect example is just next door in Canada, and yet they can still screw it up, come on guys get a grip the morons need to GO!!!!!

I Can't believe the people in the states (I lived there 30 years) WAKE THE HELL UP GUYS......



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 04:51 AM
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by what I read, it will the IRS who will be checking to make sure you are insured and come after your tail if you aren't. you will be supplied a form at tax time to fill out and submit with your income tax.

ya know, in most areas of our economy, if the price of something is too high, well, the people don't buy it, and the product is either offered at a lower price or eventually is taken off the market...
we'd have runaway inflation if this wasn't the case.
well, I don't see how our economy could operate the was it's supposed to when the gov't keeps butting their nose in and making the unaffordable, affordable or forcing the people who are finding it unaffordable to buy it anyways.
it is our right to boycott overpriced and inferior products that are offered by buisnesses that are not dealing fairly with us. it's what keeps the business halfway honest and inclined to keep their prices within our means.



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by dawnstar
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by what I read, it will the IRS who will be checking to make sure you are insured and come after your tail if you aren't. you will be supplied a form at tax time to fill out and submit with your income tax.

ya know, in most areas of our economy, if the price of something is too high, well, the people don't buy it, and the product is either offered at a lower price or eventually is taken off the market...
we'd have runaway inflation if this wasn't the case.
well, I don't see how our economy could operate the was it's supposed to when the gov't keeps butting their nose in and making the unaffordable, affordable or forcing the people who are finding it unaffordable to buy it anyways.
it is our right to boycott overpriced and inferior products that are offered by buisnesses that are not dealing fairly with us. it's what keeps the business halfway honest and inclined to keep their prices within our means.



Yes of course, I bet your just dripping in diamonds and furs and corvettes. Yes indeed, very affordable for all.



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by JustG


Its a pretty selfish self-centered form of thought. And frankly is probably brainwashing brought about by the lobby groups.





The self centered thought comes from the 60% of the population that does NOT PAY FOR ANYTHING!

FREE! FREE! FREE! FREE! We all deserve everything for free! That has become the worldwide and especially US handout cultures rally cry.

This is why healthcare costs so much, everybody wants to get rich on the backs of the ones who actually pay their bills.

The US healthcare industry costs many more times what it should and instead of taking steps to reduce costs they take steps to force people to pay for overpriced insurance and then they add taxes on top of that.

As a Canadian you should be aware that Canada uses general funds and does not penalize the lowest paid workers by taxing their insurance directly.

These low income taxpayers will pay a higher percentage of tax on their insurance premiums in order that the non contributing members of society can have that sky high insurance for that over priced 'health' care.

This whole healthcare reform fiasco is a huge joke but the only ones who seem to care are the ones getting really screwed. Then you have the nerve to call them selfish because they don't want to just give up and become parasites.

The US government can't manage to do anything effectively even though they are 12 trillion in the hole and have obligated themselves to another 12 or 13 trillion already but all of you crocoldile tear shedding bleeding hearts are calling low end taxpayers selfish for wanting to be able to keep a little of their hard earned wages so they can pay their own bills instead of being a bunch of bums waiting for handouts.

Arrogance. Pure arrogance.




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