reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
And that is that they can't provide proper leadership
and are uninspiring - BECAUSE they're black.
No, that's not what I said. I acknowlegde that a black man might be capable of providing effective leadership, but even if he were, my discomfort
with him would still remain.
Let's work with an anology: what if a charismatic, intelligent, dedicated white man with strong and thoroughly compatible beliefs were to try for the
presidency of the NAACP
? Would it be reasonable for blacks to be uncomfortable with that? After all, many millions of them
were used as slaves by whites, whipped, beaten and raped over hundreds of years. Is it possible there might be some unpleasant leftover emotions from
that? Well, by an amusing coincidence, it happens that the current NAACP president, Todd Jealous, is half black / half white. And yes, there were
based solely on his mixed
Were these objections racist? Yes. Were they nevertheless understandable and reasonable? I say yes.
He made a comparison between a white and black person using
the analogy of comparing an eagle to a rat, platypus and dodo bird.
Wait a second...are you implying that rats, playtpi and dodo birds are somehow "inferior" to eagles? Are you suggesting that eagles are somehow
"superior" to the others? If people are "all the same" then aren't shouldn't animals be "all the same" too? What happened to this "equality"
that I see people espousing? Are you a specicist?
Well, maybe, but whatever you choose to call it doesn't change the associations these animals have in the western psyche. If you're in china it
might make perfect sense to have a rat as a mascot because people are likely to assocatiate it with being clever, protective and likable. Here in the
US, "dirty, filthy vermin" is more likely to come to mind.
Personally, I think rats are adorable, cuddly and cute, but I recognize that my own personal feelings about rats are irrelevant so far as the general
public is concerned. It would be absolutely foolish
for me to emblazon the walls of my children's daycare business with hordes of rats because
the mental associations that most others in this country have of rats is not a favorable one.
The office of president is very much like a mascot, or a family crest. The president is a symbol and a figurehead for our country. Yes? Ok, now let's
be honest with ourselves. When people in this country think of the black race, what associations come immediately to mind? Don't stop to ask if
they're justified. What associations come to mind? If they're unjustified maybe we can be honest enough with ourselves to review and change our
perspective. But we'll never be able to do that if we're not even honest enough with ourselves to admit what we think in the first place.
I think LordBucket's racial prejudices are clear.
It's just so unusual and refreshing to hear someone actually take
ownership of their prejudice, that it almost seems downright respectable.
Thank you. I think part of the original posters point was that some arbitrarily large portion of people in this country feel the same way I do, but
are either in denial or simply won't admit it. And, probably a lot of them don't really understand why
they feel the way they do. I think
that I do. My first two encounters with black people as a child were both, shall we say...emotionally traumatic. Growing up I had no black friends,
and throughout my life there has never been anything in black culture that I relate to. Then there's this curious notion presented to me that I
somehow "owe them" because of something that was done to them by somebody else over a hundred years ago. And some of them appear to feel very
strongly that they need to "get back at whitey" because of it. And now one of these people is the figurehead of our country?
Yes, that's uncomfortable for me.
The human brain works by association. When the thought "black man" fires in some peoples brains, it's possible that the their synapses might
connect to thoughts like "good dancer" and "large genetalia." For me personally, the associations lean more towards "big and wants to hurt me,"
"uneducated criminal," "wants revenge and likes to rape white girls to get it," and "manipulated white people being self destructive over
unjustified feelings of guilt."
If you want to suggest that these associations aren't justified, that's one thing. But it would be a discussion for a different thread. The fact is
I do have these associations and I don't think I'm alone in that regard.
So yes, even if Obama is charismatic, which he appears to be...even if he's smarter than Bush, which he very obviously is...even if he's a competant
and effective leader, which it's possible he might be...even so, yes I feel discomfort at him being president, solely for the reason that he is
[edit on 10-9-2009 by LordBucket]