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reply posted on 12-9-2009 @ 02:07 PM by Jezus
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
Actually the OP is a conspiracy-theory of its own. The conspiracy-theory says that extremists are poised to destroy western civilization and the
Freedom it represents. They do so by disseminating conspiracy-theories which all essentially say "Down with America, Down with
Europe, Down with Democracy, Down with Jews".
Thats the conspiracy being exposed here. Extremists vs. Moderates.
Why is it better for America to pretend that the problems and issues don't exist?
Why is it a bad thing to point out the negative things?
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reply posted on 12-9-2009 @ 03:58 PM by Skyfloating
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Originally posted by Jezus
Why is it better for America to pretend that the problems and issues don't exist?
Problems do exist. But its not black vs. white, its on a scale or spectrum. In relation to many other places, Americas problems are not that big.
Why is it a bad thing to point out the negative things?
Pointing out the negative is fine if its balanced out with the positive.
Ive been observing some posters here who do nothing other than vilify America/Europe and its politicians.
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reply posted on 12-9-2009 @ 04:08 PM by Skyfloating
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Originally posted by twitchy
Freemasonry is an ancient good 'ole boy system for most of it's membership.
Rather than talking from written text I encourage you to start talking from personal experience. Unless youve been a Freemason you dont really know
what it is for its membership other than what you have been told in written text.
With a nod and wink, one can be favored or prefered over the profane and unenlightened masses. For most members that is all it is, and to them,
because of their supposed hightened and predisposed sense of morality, it is perfectly palatable and acceptable to do so...
Thats a view coming from mental images. These mental images come from written text, not from personal experience.
but dig a little further beneath the surface and you begin to understand that freemasonry is a support system for the zionist ideaology, rooted in the
talmudic belief that one group is granted some divine elevation from the other inhabitants.
If you`ve experienced it personally you will find that its an education system on ethics and tolerance. If you want to gain some understanding in the
mindset of Freemasons, read the Constitution, The Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights. If you want to gain an even better
understanding, go outside and actually meet some of these supposedly "elitist" people who give charity anonymously as not to have their ego
swell up.
The temple you are building is nothing more than an allegorical reference to the implementation of this ideaology, which is racism at it's finest.
You are hereby encouraged to base conclusions on experience rather than propaganda-material published by the agenda-driven.
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reply posted on 13-9-2009 @ 09:08 PM by Jezus
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
Americas problems are not that big.
America has the most power.
This means we have the most potential to fix problems and create positive change.
The combination and merger of profit driven corporate entities and political entities within the United States is the biggest problem in the world
simply because it has such a massive influence over the world.
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reply posted on 14-9-2009 @ 04:36 PM by Skyfloating
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Originally posted by Jezus
The combination and merger of profit driven corporate entities and political entities within the United States is the biggest problem in the world
simply because it has such a massive influence over the world.
Its actually the biggest benefactor of the world, creating employment for billions.
Funny how widely opposite our views are.
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reply posted on 14-9-2009 @ 05:25 PM by Jezus
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by Jezus
The combination and merger of profit driven corporate entities and political entities within the United States is the biggest problem in the world
simply because it has such a massive influence over the world.
Its actually the biggest benefactor of the world, creating employment for billions.
Funny how widely opposite our views are.
Our points are not mutually exclusive...
I agree that it gives people a solution for the problems it creates.
"Support the system or suffer by it."
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reply posted on 15-10-2009 @ 07:35 AM by Skyfloating
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In this current thread you can see how conspiracy-theorists are championing Hugo
Chavez because he seized Hilton Hotels. Rather than an act of theft it becomes an applaudable "act against the NWO".
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reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 05:56 AM by Izarith
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Hello Skyfloating,
Dude.....
I have to question your reasoning on using examples of tyrannical governments conspiring against their populous with lies and propaganda as a metaphor
for why we should not be paranoid and believe that the same is not happening to us.
Sure Hitler, Stalin, Chavez and all the rest used fear and paranoia as a tool to manipulate people. But would not a little paranoia of our own
government attempting to do the same to us be healthy?
I mean what else is there to expect from a uninformed democracy but inevitable tyranny?
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reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 06:53 AM by Izarith
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Hello Jezus,
I just don't understand why Capitalism is viewed in such a bad light.
People need to understand that things like Capitalism and Government are just abstract things that are used to facilitate life!
It's the human aspect that makes these abstract tool evil or deadly not the tool itself.
IT"S US!!! Me and you, we are the true villains in this comic book we call life. Our lunacy and lack of will to see any reasoning behind why the
world is this way is the culprit.
I think this is what the OP is trying to say, that the second we let our obligations as an informed populace go down the drain we choose to demonise
the tools that were meant to be used by adults, not spoiled child minded, slack jawed troglodytes once the fit hits the shan.
And as further proof of our stupidity we would rather abandon Capitalism then even tempt to do "all that hard work" of assuming once again our
responsibilities of insuring we have a country with some work and business ethics.
I think having a conspiracy theory is good as long as it's well researched and dose not target an abstract thought.
A conspiracy theory targeting Capitalism is about as healthy as a conspiracy theory targeting the tooth fairy. Your the only one who looses a dollar
under your pillow.
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reply posted on 7-11-2009 @ 07:34 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
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Skepticism of government claims is healthy, yes. Paranoia is not. And it does not help that a great deal of the conspiracies bandied about are just
slightly altered CTs that were created by like say, Hitler. What you really have to see is that is how a tyrant comes to power, through mistrust of
the current government in power and manipulating that paranoia you spoke of in their favor. To put it short and sweet. Ask yourself one question, why
is mud slinging campaigns so popular in politics?
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reply posted on 7-11-2009 @ 08:54 PM by GoldenFleece
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When Chavez or Ahmadinejad murder 3,000 of their own citizens in order to perpetrate illegal and immoral trillion-dollar wars that have killed
millions of innocent civilians, then they'll be in the same league as the U.S.
Until then, they're rank amateurs.
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reply posted on 7-11-2009 @ 10:07 PM by Izarith
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I ask myself a lot of questions.
For example I ask myself "What is paranoia?", "What is tyranny?", "What is a tyrant?.
To me a Tyrant is someone who is blamed for all the tyranny caused by people who were as ordinary as you an I. A CT is a CT paranoia or not. It is a
theory of a lie between a few people or many to withhold information from others.
I was not speaking in favor of anyone in my other post. I was just trying to point out that the only real conspiracy is that we are and always have
been the keepers of power. We alone have caused all the tyranny, bloodshed ans horrors of the world. Ordinary people like you and me, and yet we are
told that we are not the tyrants by our governments and our leaders. The ones "WE" put in power.
TA!!
Izzy.
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reply posted on 7-11-2009 @ 10:09 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
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reply posted on 7-11-2009 @ 10:24 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
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And you are correct and thank you for further clarifying your stance. But paranoia like any human emotion can be used to manipulate. And it is by
those that wish to use it. There is a part of blame to be had by the manipulatee, but the manipulator holds more of the blame as they
are the catalyst for the whatever madness they cause. And unfortunately the more emotion involved the easier it is to manipulate.
[edit on 7-11-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]
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reply posted on 8-11-2009 @ 01:08 PM by Jezus
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Originally posted by Izarith
reply to post by Jezus
Hello Jezus,
I just don't understand why Capitalism is viewed in such a bad light.
People need to understand that things like Capitalism and Government are just abstract things that are used to facilitate life!
It's the human aspect that makes these abstract tool evil or deadly not the tool itself.
IT"S US!!! Me and you, we are the true villains in this comic book we call life. Our lunacy and lack of will to see any reasoning behind why the
world is this way is the culprit.
I think this is what the OP is trying to say, that the second we let our obligations as an informed populace go down the drain we choose to demonise
the tools that were meant to be used by adults, not spoiled child minded, slack jawed troglodytes once the fit hits the shan.
And as further proof of our stupidity we would rather abandon Capitalism then even tempt to do "all that hard work" of assuming once again our
responsibilities of insuring we have a country with some work and business ethics.
I think having a conspiracy theory is good as long as it's well researched and dose not target an abstract thought.
A conspiracy theory targeting Capitalism is about as healthy as a conspiracy theory targeting the tooth fairy. Your the only one who looses a dollar
under your pillow.
- IT"S US!!! Me and you, we are the true villains in this comic book we call life. Our lunacy and lack of will to see any reasoning behind why the
world is this way is the culprit. -
I agree, if all individuals made moral decisions both communism and capitalism would work.
The inherent problem with capitalism is that it makes money our God. The rich become richer, and people who are willing to be evil are able to acquire
more money. The person with the most money is the leader.
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