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Tyrants who love "conspiracy theories"

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posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by seb2882
so I guess it depends on the eye of the beholder, and who "wins" in the end...


Of course, whats "good or bad" depends on what you want, what your values are.

If and when you have access to the RATS Forum, check out this post by a guy who travelled to North Korea, who was friendly toward their Ideology and returned shocked and changed.




posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 02:45 PM
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What a load of crap.

Could not disagree more.


As if 9/11 wasnt a "suspect" event.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
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1. I´ll defend your right to say anything about jews you want to say

2. Being succesful is not a conspiracy, as you correctly state. Many would do the same type of "networking" if they had the opportunity.

3. I dont think they want to destroy your life.


1. I know you would, but I really don't have much more to say about that. It's just that I don't like when succes has bad connotations attached to it, as you eloquently demonstrated on your post.
It could have been that way, that there is indeed a group of evil jews, zionists or whatever trying to wipe out everyone but no one should asume that as a fact until proven, because it's the most serious accusation you could make, ever. That's why I would never believe that unless I could prove it on a personal level.
I'm sorry if I took that part of your post in a particular way, that I have seen in other topics which go like these: "Jews ruling the world is a hoax. It was all made up for nazi propaganda and nothing more. There are no jews in a position to make important decisions which could affect the whole world." Because I know from my personal experience that this is not a fact, and yes there are many jewish people on places where decisions they make are very influential, and that makes me smell the unwanted odor of "disinfo" and makes me wonder if... you get what I mean? And I don't like to go on that train of thought.

2. Of course. In my field, which is the arts/entertaintment industry, this is crucial.

3. Neither do I. And sure hope not! But can you put your hands on fire on that assumption?

4. Would love to acces RATS, but I still don't have the flags/stars/points required to enter it. Guess I should start more topics and get more points, which I would love if I had more time right now, because I have a few stuff to share too!


[edit on 10-9-2009 by seb2882]



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 02:53 PM
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As a gentile I condemn anti-antisemitism.
Curiously, though, I've never heard a Jew
condemn the hatred of gentiles.

Some might say, "That's ridiculous!. Since when did gentiles
have to worry about being the victims of hatred from Jews?"

The answer goes back as far back as the Talmud.

Talmud On Gentiles

www.youtube.com...

These are the rabbis words themselves.
This is what has been taught as the law and customs
of the Jewish people for years. There should be a
greater acknowledgment of this publicly. When we
can all be honest with each other, then we have a
better chance of getting along and living together.


Shalom

Salam

Peace



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by seb2882
But can you put your hands on fire on that assumption?


No, I guess not. But I can predict likelihoods based on study. Its not like I havent read dozens of CT-books (including those termed anti-semitic).

________________________________

BTW: No need to apologize for your thoughtful posts.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by nickspm
I've never heard a Jew
condemn the hatred of gentiles.


I have.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by Jezus
This entire topic is more an issue of information manipulation by influential and powerful people than anything to do with conspiracy theories.


You mean to say that this is disinformation?




posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 03:20 PM
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I dont know what wing is Jihadism (from Hell most likey- the same as the Zionism)

But how could You change real meaning of something that, in the most cases is gone-they are DEAD and they always considered themselves as the mebers of.NSDAP: Nazional Sozialistische Deutschland Arbeits Partei...
You know...the beginning of Hitlers career was mostly about creating the workplaces, rebuilding the country etc...
I can even agree that this left/right clasification created about the time of the French Revolution is a bit obsolete, and maybe never was really usefull...



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 03:24 PM
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Well, whatever the Definitions may be, most people know tyranny when they see it...whether its called socialism or nazism or whatever else...

(...except for some of the people here who say its "in the eyes of the beholder"...
)

[edit on 10-9-2009 by Skyfloating]



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 03:25 PM
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The points raised in this thread, whether I totally agree with them or not, are partly why I prefer to try to be a PCD or PCLR (Potential Conspiracy Discuss-er, or Potential Conspiracy Lay-Researcher,) rather than a CT believer (Conspiracy Theory believer.)

I'm open to all the possibilities, but I can't know or embrace any particular truth without absolute proof. I have my beliefs and suspicions, but I delineate between those and actual "knowledge."

I guess that makes me a skeptic, but I don't adhere to the pseudoskeptical connotations currently attributed to that word, and I don't let my skepticism get in the way of holding personal beliefs and suspicions. I just, as I said, don't presume to know them to be true.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 03:43 PM
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Freaking S&F!

Oh well, don’t you know conspiracy theories are only truth-seekers monopoly.


But hey! You never know with people, what are their motives for believing what they believe or choose to believe in.
The goal of conspiracies theories should be to find the truth, not a tool for tyranny. When they becomes means for witch-hunting, that's where we should see the red flag. We should always be alarmed when a conspiracist just thrive on operating on fear and confusion rather than leading to the contrary. It should always be all about clearing things out and exposing the truth.

I’m glad my theories consist not of tyranny, but far above.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 03:44 PM
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Can someone explain why this obvious COINTELPRO article has so many stars?



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 03:45 PM
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Thank You- it seems to be the nearest to the Thruth.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
...sometimes actually travelling to the places in question and experiencing them, makes on embrace places such as the U.S., and relativity is replaced by a firm stance.

[edit on 10-9-2009 by Skyfloating]


From an academic standpoint I could not agree more. I studied the Middle East for my degree. By the end of year one you felt sorry for the Palestinians; by end year 2 you sided with Israel.

By the end of year three you wanted to get them together in a room and smack them both upside the head with a cricket-bat.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by LordCarpainter
Can someone explain why this obvious COINTELPRO article has so many stars?


Please educate us about this thread being a COINTELPRO operation. I look forward to learn more.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 04:03 PM
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con·spir·a·cy (kn-spîr-s)
n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.


Because the US government does not disclose it's actions (national security) and because it carries out actions/plans that are illegal. Torture, cross boarder boming, etc.

Then, by definition the US is controlled by conspirators. And a country like Israel that has been in violation of countless UN policies, too is also guilty.

And because creating a secret plan will wield power and not telling your enemies what you are doing will help your cause, there will always be conspiracies in government.

And when groups of nations get together to decide who is getting sanctioned and who is getting supported without the members of those nations present are they not committing an act of conspiracy?

If anything the world has been damaged by propagandists trying to make the notion of conspiracy a fringe belief when in actuality it rules everyone's daily life and the policies set by their government.

Without secrets, there would be no power.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by LordCarpainter
Can someone explain why this obvious COINTELPRO article has so many stars?


Please educate us about this thread being a COINTELPRO operation. I look forward to learn more.


It's trying to associate "conspiracy theories" with fascism using a few examples. All of those guys were men, too, but you don't see females making lists of "men involved in fascism" in order to prove that the male population is behind all of the world's evils.

This just seems like discredit-the-message stuff.

[edit on 10-9-2009 by LordCarpainter]



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by LordCarpainter

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by LordCarpainter
Can someone explain why this obvious COINTELPRO article has so many stars?


Please educate us about this thread being a COINTELPRO operation. I look forward to learn more.


It's trying to associate "conspiracy theories" with fascism using a few examples. All of those guys were men, too, but you don't see females making lists of "men involved in fascism" in order to prove that the male population is behind all of the world's evils.

This just seems like discredit-the-message stuff.


Exactly, the common denominator here is powerful individuals with the ability to manipulate information outlets...

...it doesn't really have anything to do with traditional ideas of conspiracies theories but really seems to be saying more about modern mass media.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by LordCarpainter
It's trying to associate "conspiracy theories" with fascism using a few examples.


The "few" examples given have shaped recent History and caused millions of deaths. No need to downplay them.

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I knew I would get the "you are COINTELPRO" or "you are a disinfo-agent" when writing this thread. I also welcome people saying that, because it speaks volumes about the reasonability of some conspiracy-theorists.

[edit on 10-9-2009 by Skyfloating]



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by LordCarpainter
It's trying to associate "conspiracy theories" with fascism using a few examples.


People like Stalin, Hitler and Jihadists have shaped History. No need to downplay them.

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I knew I would get the "you are COINTELPRO" or "you are a disinfo-agent" when writing this thread. I also welcome people saying that, because it speaks volumes about the reasonability of some conspiracy-theorists.


So because Hitler, Stalin, and Jihadists have been interested in conspiracy theories, it means conspiracy theories don't have merit? I don't think so. There are weirdos in any good field -- it doesn't discredit the field. And Hitler, Stalin, and Jihadists (All controlled by the Jesuit Order) are pawns in the game.

I'll let the people decide. What's more important to discuss?

A. The evidence
B. Some evil people who were interested in CERTAIN conspiracy theories?

Does this seem like an obvious one to you? Ask yourself why it was asked in the first place, then.

And the idea that COINTELPRO operations are being launched on the Internet is not unreasonable. It is documented, hardcore fact.

[edit on 10-9-2009 by LordCarpainter]



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