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Topic started on 10-9-2009 @ 06:30 AM by Skyfloating
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The premise of this article is that some so-called "conspiracy-theories" are fascist and marxist propaganda.
This post will prove that not only former tyrants such as Stalin and Hitler loved "conspiracy-theories" and used them to further their agenda, but
also modern runner-up tyrants carry on the tradition of abusing conspiracy-theories.
Why do they do this? In order to deflect from their own evils.
1. Conspiracy Theorist Hugo Chavez
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said Tuesday that it’s plausible that the U.S. government was involved in the Sept. 11 attacks.
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Deflection from his own evils:
Meanwhile Chavez has removed freedom of speech in his country, closed TV and Radio Stations and jailed politicians of the opposition in order to
impose his "socialist" tyranny.
2. Conspiracy Theorist Ahmadinejad
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has described the 9/11 attacks on the Twin Towers in New York as a "suspect
event" 2
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad defended Holocaust revisionists and raised questions about who carried out the September 11 attacks in a
tense showdown at Columbia University on Monday 3
Deflection from his own evils:
Meanwhile Ahmadinejad suppresses free elections, free speech, womens rights, minority rights and all the other things that tyrants do.
3. Conspiracy Theorist Mugabe
Mugabe sees conspiracy all around
The flurry of conspiracy stories in the state-owned media continued all week. The Herald alleged that the MDC had sought British military
intervention if it lost the March poll; another in the Sunday Mail claimed that thousands of Zimbabweans were receiving secret military training in
the UK and hordes of British spies disguised as "tourists and arts promoters" were luring Zimbabweans into the British Army; and the Chronicle
blamed Britain for maize shortages because "she wants to remove the present government and impose a puppet one".
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Deflection from his own evils:
Meanwhile tyrant Mugabe continues the slaughter and mass-starvation of his entire country.
Reversal of Truth
It is common for the tyrant-"conspiracy-theorist" to reverse truth. North Koreas dictator tells his people that the United States is the enemy of
freedom and progress when in fact it is the North Koreans that are not allowed to travel, express themselves freely or even surf the Internet. This
satellite image of South Korea and North Korea speaks louder than words:
In order to justify extreme measures, Hitler had to resort to extreme conspiracy-theories, such as Jews controlling the whole world and trying to
establish the "NWO", as depicted by this Nazi-Propaganda poster:
These enemies of reason, freedom and honesty are championed by some "conspiracy-theorists" because they voice similar views. A widespread fallacy
among anti-establishment writers is "The enemy of my enemy must be my friend".
Fascists and right-wing extremists who disseminate conspiracy-theories usually do so to justify widespread violence.
Marxists and Left-wing extremists who disseminate conspiracy-theories usually do so from a victim-mentality which seeks someone to blame for something
or other.
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This is a follow up to my threads...
... The Dark Side of "Conspiracy Theory", which pointed out psychological fallacies
in CT.
... Zionist Conspiracy-Theory = Black Propaganda which proved the "Protocols of the
Wise Elders of Zion" to be a hoax and a conspiracy-theory used by both Hitler and modern Jihadists.
... The very real conspiracy against Freemasonry which proved that Freemasonry was
persecuted by Nazis, Communists and Religious Bigots who oppose masonic practices of tolerance, freedom and ethics.
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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 06:49 AM by Resinveins
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Maybe this also proves that all of us conspiracy theorists have a bit of the tyrant in us as well?
p.s. the North/South Korea pic does speak volumes... very cool
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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 06:52 AM by Skyfloating
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Chavez Anti-Semitism
The rising wave of anti-Semitism in Venezuela is part and parcel of this effort by Chávez's increasingly repressive regime. The complex housing
the Jewish community school and cultural and sports center has been inexplicably raided twice by Venezuelan police since Chávez came to power. It is
especially dangerous when law enforcement carries out these kinds of unfounded acts, since some may interpret them as justification to commit violence
against Jews. When a community is singled out and bullied in this way, the danger exists for xenophobes and anti-Semites to take license from the
government's actions to spread their hate.
Chavez Censorship
The first step was a new media content law, adopted by the Chavez-controlled legislature last December, that subjects broadcast media to heavy
fines or the loss of their licenses for disseminating information deemed "contrary to national security." Its impact was soon felt: Two of the most
prominent anti-government journalists lost their jobs as anchors on morning television shows, and Venezuelans quickly noticed the appearance of
self-censorship among those who remained.
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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 06:54 AM by Skyfloating
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Originally posted by Resinveins
Maybe this also proves that all of us conspiracy theorists have a bit of the tyrant in us as well?
p.s. the North/South Korea pic does speak volumes... very cool
One thing some of them have in common with tyrants is that they think everyone is stupid or "sheeple", as they say and they get enraged when
someone disagrees with them.
That said, I still believe in plenty of real conspiracies myself, so Im not wanting to bash conspiracy-theorists in general
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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 07:00 AM by Skyfloating
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More from Iran...
In an article, the Iranian daily Kayhan, which is identified with Iranian Supreme Leader 'Ali Khamenei, criticized Iran's Culture and Islamic
Guidance Ministry for approving the distribution of the new book in the "Harry Potter" series. The paper said that "Harry Potter" was a Zionist
project in which billions of dollars had been invested in order to disrupt the minds of young people. Source: Kayhan, Iran, July 26, 2007
Now more than ever," the Iranian film's narrator says, "this tool serves to spread the dark and evil essence of Zionism and its goals."
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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 07:06 AM by mikerussellus
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People love conspiracies.
It's like letting them onto a secret. I think it goes to a baser instinct to human nature. When you know more than someone else, it puts you in a
position of power. Control.
When tyrants let people "in" on the secret, people feel part of the power structure. They become the ones "in the know".
Just my humble opinion. . .
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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 07:12 AM by The Songwriter
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I agree with the above post! Its all about "Knowledge" and knowing something that someone else doesn't who are focused on their everyday
routines!

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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 07:21 AM by Skyfloating
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That would be my guess too. I was originally attracted to CTs and I remember the thoughts I had as a teenager:
To know more than others
People are stupid
I am more aware
There must be a secret to having power
Mass-media is a farce
People miss the unseen
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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 07:27 AM by mikerussellus
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Exactly.
Why the draw to sites like this?
We know more. We have the "inside scoop."
As long as it's tempered with common sense, then I think, it's a healthy thing.
Speculation on the "what if" in our lives is one of the driving forces of mankind.
Religion.
Power.
Fear.
It gives us meek folks the sense of control over our own lives.
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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 07:42 AM by Benevolent Heretic
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Like anything, CTs can be abused. As long as one maintains a critical mind and is skeptical enough to look beyond the seduction of CTs, then exploring
them is fun, educational and keeps one's mind exercised and working.
Unfortunately, too many people are willing to believe every one that comes along and latch onto them as if they are more likely to be true than the
most reasonable explanation.
There has to be a great deal of evidence for me to believe or even entertain a CT. I like to keep an open mind, but I am fairly skeptical. I wasn't
attracted to CTs until fairly recently...
It's interesting that these tyrants have "used" CTs to control their people. It's an effective tool, for certain. Especially as a distraction
technique. It's clear that they are distracting, even to those of us who spend our time talking about them of our free will... Or is it free will?
Have the current CTs been planted as a means of distraction? It's something to think about.
I assume that most people who are attracted to CTs are generally suspicious of authority (which is a good thing to be) and are looking for an
explanation as to "why things are the way they are". They are suspicious and always look behind the curtain so they won't be "fooled". But
sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 07:49 AM by mikerussellus
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reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
-don't panic-
I agree. Misused, it becomes a weapon.
Used correctly, it is a tool for speculation.
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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 08:06 AM by Skyfloating
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Originally posted by mikerussellus
I think, it's a healthy thing.
Speculation on the "what if" in our lives is one of the driving forces of mankind.
Awareness is healthy (protects us from getting scammed).
Speculation is healthy (it gives us progress)
Paranoia however, takes Awareness and Speculation, mixes it with Imagination and Negativity/Fear and thats where it can become not only
unhealthy but detrimental to society as a whole. (?)
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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 08:13 AM by mikerussellus
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Too much of anything is not good. Look at it as a bell curve. As long as you don't stray to either end, you should be doing alright.
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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 08:26 AM by Skyfloating
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I assume that most people who are attracted to CTs are generally suspicious of authority (which is a good thing to be)
You wrote up a nice analysis, but allow me to filter out this part. While most of the progress we achieve, we achieved because we do things
differently than "authority" told us to, different than the status quo dictates, I think a lot of the stuff found in anti-establishment-writing goes
way beyond mere suspicion of authority - to hatred of authority.
In other words:
If someone studied to be a dentist and has run a good dentist practice for the last 10 years, Im not going to be "generally suspicious" of his
authority in the field, but generally trusting.
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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 09:24 AM by Skyfloating
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The NWO-Conspiracy-Theory The Protocols of the Wise Elders of Zion as the
root of America/Europe-Hatred.
In March 1970, the Protocols were reported to be the top 'nonfiction' bestseller in Lebanon
The Charter of Hamas explicitly refers to the Protocols, accepting them as factual and makes several references to Freemasons as one of the
"secret societies" controlled by "Zionists". The Article 32 of the Hamas Charter states: The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the
Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further
expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are
saying
Hitler refers to the Protocols in Mein Kampf:
... To what extent the whole existence of this people is based on a continuous lie is shown incomparably by the Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion, so
infinitely hated by the Jews. They are based on a forgery, the Frankfurter Zeitung moans and screams once every week: the best proof that they are
authentic. [...] the important thing is that with positively terrifying certainty they reveal the nature and activity of the Jewish people and expose
their inner contexts as well as their ultimate final aims.[53]
many Arab governments funded new printings of the Protocols, and taught them in their schools as historical fact. They have been accepted as such
by many Islamist organizations, such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Reportedly, Arabic editions issued in the Middle East were found on sale as far away
as London.[55] There are at least nine different Arabic translations of the Protocols and more editions than in any other language including
German.[48] The Protocols also figure prominently in the antisemitic propaganda distributed internationally by the Arab countries and have spread to
other Muslim countries, such as Pakistan, Malaysia, and Indonesia.[48]
The Protocols is a best-seller in Syria
Saudi Arabian schoolbooks contain explicit summaries of the Protocols as factual:
Iranian writer and researcher Ali Baqeri, who researched the Protocols, finds their plan for world domination to be merely part of an even more
grandiose scheme, saying in Sobh in 1999: "The ultimate goal of the Jews... after conquering the globe... is to extract from the hands of the Lord
many stars and galaxies".
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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 09:34 AM by Skyfloating
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More Mugabe Paranoia
instead of speaking of the immense benefits that information communications technologies (ICTs) have brought by enhancing connectivity between world
communities and improving access to and the dissemination of information across the globe, Mugabe paraded his paranoid view of the information age by
pursuing his attacks on the West, particularly Britain and the US.
He accused the two countries of using their ICT superiority to "challenge our sovereignty through hostile and malicious broadcasts calculated to
foment instability and destroy the State through divisions".
And he used this imaginary threat to justify his government’s intention to subject all electronic communications in the country to surveillance and
control.
Mugabe also claimed that the "genesis" of ICTs "lies in the quest for global hegemony and dominance on the part of rich and powerful nations of the
North", The Herald (11/12 & 12/12).
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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 09:40 AM by Chilled Zen
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Just like the book 1984, the Tyrants use propaganda about other countries supposed evils in order to hide their own.
I guess that any good thing can be misused and turned for evil purposes.
Like so many things in life CT's are a balance, between being ignorant on one end and paranoid on the other.
BH is right about people jumping onto theories without to much thought of their own, especially in politics.
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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 10:06 AM by Skyfloating
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I actually think the situation is a bit more serious than just a few oddballs spouting fringe-theories. Last time false CTs gained widespread
momentum, the result was 77 Million dead (WWII).
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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 10:32 AM by Chilled Zen
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Looking at it from that angle I can see your point. Usually Dictators are most worried about losing their power due to unpopularity so will do/say
near anything to retain it.
I can see the Arabs + Israelis going to war over things like this, propaganda by both sides leading to yet a another conflict.
I don't think most ordinary people of different countries hate each other, it's the governments which cause much of the problems.
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reply posted on 10-9-2009 @ 10:48 AM by harpsounds
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Loving the thread. I'm onboard with this theory in general.
I heard recently a Chomsky talk on 9/11, where he was wondering if it's all just misdirection. He said that pentagon documents had come out that
showed they had a policy of dripping out stuff about the JFK assassination, in order to keep people busy on something worthless. Keeping them stuck
in the past, and away from current, probably more important issues.
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