Originally posted by TheWalkingFox


No, it's not enough evidence. That's lazy logic. I might as well say that the world exists because my dog willed it so, and since the world exists, then clearly my dog is responsible.

Show me the aliens. Then we'll get somewhere.

You show me gravity then we'll get somewhere. Logic tells us that gravity exists due to its effect, not because we have seen it. It is lazy logic that states gravity exists, why it exists is much harder to prove, which takes much more time and effort. So for you to regard my ideas as lazy logic is beyond me.

Very interesting topic, the ideas thrown out there are worth taking into considration. I'm a fan of the holographic universe theory. I still have no idea if something else creates it or if we as a collective conciousness with nothing better to do has created it just to play to pass away the boredom and emptiness of the place we are in naturally. Sort of like being addicted to a game, the best thing about a collective conciousness creating it, is it doesn't need to have any physical reality to exist or a physical body to exist just the basic"I think therefore I am".

Originally posted by oozyism

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox


No, it's not enough evidence. That's lazy logic. I might as well say that the world exists because my dog willed it so, and since the world exists, then clearly my dog is responsible.

Show me the aliens. Then we'll get somewhere.

You show me gravity then we'll get somewhere. Logic tells us that gravity exists due to its effect, not because we have seen it. It is lazy logic that states gravity exists, why it exists is much harder to prove, which takes much more time and effort. So for you to regard my ideas as lazy logic is beyond me.

Gravity is actually what we call the effect. We're not exactly sure how the effect really works, but it's a measurable effect, constant throughout every corner of the universe we've been able to observe. Nowhere does gravity behave in a way we would not expect it to. Same with other invisible forces such as inertia.

It's not lazy logic. Pick up something on your desk. Let go. That's gravity. Any object you choose will fall according to the exact same mathematical formula, every single time. You are witnessing gravity. You obviously don't understand gravity, but even so, you can still see it in action. It's observable.

Now. Show me the alien overlords you're advocating here, man. I can show you gravity. i can show you inertia. The least you could do is show me the alien masterminds who think having us argue at each other about them is a fantastic thing to set into motion.

Not sure if anyone threw this in the mix yet but.
Lets say this is all a hologram would you be willing to accept a vivid thought created in the Mind of a Creator? Held together by say a force we call gravity which could just be the thoughts holding it all together. I guess we won't know for a while but my two cents =)

Originally posted by bluemooone2
Very interesting. But what Im wondering now is this : dont holograms require a projector ?

Wanted to answer this before I finish a read on the thread...

If you consider light from a source, like the sun, that beams down and bounces off a wall on Earth, and it is reflected into the eyes of a human/creature, then it could be considered a hologram.

You see the reflection and not the object itself.

I knew you going're into something else, the moment you post that image from your other thread.

But your idea is not new. MMORPG and Virtual Reality based movies such as Matrix have been around for some time. We have better medium of virtual reality today such as 3D TV Medium.

Runescape is already outdated.

Your idea of hologram universe conflict with many studies which have been theorized, improvised, accepted and practiced over long time. Hologram universe render many matter principles useless because they're not actual matter in the sense of your virtual reality. Still your concept of consciousness is evidently flaw. Your theory imply that C5 must within C4, C4 must within C3, etc... However, if C5 is virtual reality to C4 then what is dream? We know dream is projected from sleep which must be within C4 boundary. But dream is not C5 because C5 ( Runescape ) is simulated from another entity which is computer. Therefore within C4, human consciousness must be more than one realm/dimension of consciousness.

Reborn is speculation at best. Testimony from 0.0000001% of world children population is hardly plausible to account evidence as past life. Yes I'm fully aware of such phenomenon. Strange, indeed. However, 99.99999% children do not have 'past' life experience. Every single newborn to children has to start from basic instinct of survival to walking to communicating. That's include the one allegedly having 'past' life experience. It still leave me a lot of questions and amazement as how this special children don't have any memory of simple everyday 'past' life experience such as talking or even vocalizing 'da da' or 'ma ma' sound right after they are born.

Anyway, I applaud you for your bravery to come forth with something different. Perhaps, we might get some inspiration from your thread content to formulate new or better theories.

Thanks.

EDIT : Grammar


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Originally posted by EasternShadow
I knew you going're into something else, the moment you post that image from your other thread.

Well got to advance rather than freeze myself

But your idea is not new. MMORPG and Virtual Reality based movies such as Matrix have been around for some time. We have better medium of virtual reality today such as 3D TV Medium.

I never understood matrix lol, I just like their cool powers and the action.. Who wouldn't want the ability to jump from building to building, and die then come back to life..

Runescape is already outdated.

Yeah true, but it was meant to be for those who have never played online games before, since RuneScape is free, they can play it, even for half an hour and get glimpse of what the future holds, when we completely merge, when we can't tell the difference between reality and virtual reality.

You're idea of universe conflict with many studies which have been theorized, improvised, accepted and practiced over long time. Hologram universe render many matter principles useless because they're not actual matter in the sense of your virtual reality. Still your concept of consciousness is evidently flaw. Your theory is based C5 must within C4, C4 must with C3, etc...

The diagram is over simplified, I thought about that also, but as you can see, the diagram was meant to make it easier to explain not harder. I could have taken each game as a separate Universe within this Universe, therefore C5 would contain in it, RuneScape, World of Warcraft, Maple Stories etc..

However, if C5 is virtual reality to C4 then what is dream? We know dream projected from sleep which must be within C4 boundary. But dream is not C5 because C5 ( Runescape ) is simulated from another entity which is computer. Therefore within C4, human consciousness must be more than one realm/dimension of consciousness.

Yes, it is true, it is more than one realm, just like there is Multiple realms within C5, hence RuneScape and World Of Warcraft.

Reborn is speculation at best. Testimony from 0.0000001% of world children population is hardly plausible to account evidence as past life. Yes I'm fully aware of such phenomenon. Strange, indeed. However, 99.99999% children do not have 'past' life experience. Every single newborn to children has to start from basic instinct of survival to walking to communicating. That's include the one allegedly having 'past' life experience.

Yes they have to learn walking etc etc, not because they lack the ability, but because of their Character. For example, you create a Character in RuneScape, you get to level 50, you have experienced much, with that experience you can do a lot, you can get to certain places, you can run faster than low experienced characters, you can kill faster, you have all these skills etc. Now you want to create a new Character, although you have already experience RuneScape life up to level 50, you will not be able to do all the things the level 50 Character allowed you to do.

I hope the above large paragraph makes sense

It still leave me a lot of questions and amazement as how this special children don't have any memory of simple everyday 'past' life experience such as talking or even vocalizing 'da da' or 'ma ma' sound right after they are born.

Well you can compare that also to a game character, or you can try being in a 2 year old child and see if you can talk your experiences of past life.

Anyway, I applaud you for your bravery to come forth with something different. Perhaps, we might get some inspiration from your thread content to formulate new or better theories.

Thanks.

EDIT : Grammar

[edit on 3-9-2010 by EasternShadow]

I'm one of those people who just have to be entertained, or I will end up entertaining myself


Thanks

If people still read books, you'd know that these ideas, all of them, are between 300 and 2500 years old, and that's merely within the European tradition.

What the OP is talking about the the philosophical argument for
Idealism This is the broad group of theories which argue that reality is not primarily a physical space filled with material objects. The concept has an ancient pedigree, and there are a number of streams withing this world-view.

Immanuel Kant labeled the various types of idealism, and most of his labels have stuck for the past 200 years.

What the OP is talking about has been called Subjective Idealism It's early major proponent in European Enlightenment Culture was a dude named George Berkely, who, even though he was a christian (and a bishop at that!) was considered fairly smart.

In his spare time he improved on the calculus that had recently been invented by a dude named Newton. Berkeley thought people should invest in that America that was being founded, and people were so impressed that they named a town in California for him, and a university too.

Berkeley wrote a book once, which goes unread today; even though it rocked the universities at the time. It was called Treatise Concerning Principles of Human Knowledge, and caused a huge furor.

Books were useful things, way back when. They kept people from thinking they were innovators, when in fact they were simply ignorant of the history of ideas.

Originally posted by oozyism
Yes they have to learn walking etc etc, not because they lack the ability, but because of their Character. For example, you create a Character in RuneScape, you get to level 50, you have experienced much, with that experience you can do a lot, you can get to certain places, you can run faster than low experienced characters, you can kill faster, you have all these skills etc. Now you want to create a new Character, although you have already experience RuneScape life up to level 50, you will not be able to do all the things the level 50 Character allowed you to do.

I hope the above large paragraph makes sense

Precisely. We begin level 1 character with 0 experience. Our experience is only valid with current character. Your previous lvl 50 character experience does not and can not be programmed or lawfully transferred to your new lvl 1 character because it will affect the character development. Else you could be cheating either through hacking or bug exploiting.

Of course you can use your experience as your human consciousness( C4 ) who play previous ( deceased ) Runescape character ( C5 ) with other runescape characters ( C5 ) but to do this your new Runescape character must aware that you exist in both C5 and C4 so the knowledges could be passed along between 2 different dimension or universe. The problem is who is our being at C3 or higher consciousness that could store our current experience and act as intermediary?
How do we aware of our self in higher universe?


[edit on 3-9-2010 by EasternShadow]

Hmmm i thought the hologram meant that right at the edge of the universe there is a 2d plane of sorts, the universe and everything in it is just a projection of this 2d plane.... Meh not science minded, sounds interesting though.