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Congressman Yells 'You Lie' During Obama Speech

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posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 05:28 AM
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Originally posted by mikerussellus
reply to post by xmaddness
 


It just goes to the character of the president. When has he told the truth?



He said he was bringing Change




posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 05:45 AM
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You go boy.

— Doc Velocity



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 05:49 AM
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Yup. Change from a republic, change from a capitalistic economy, change from a freedom loving nation.

Now THAT'S change I can believe in.




posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 06:14 AM
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I couldn't watch the speech last night but just caught the highlights. Three cheers to the Congressman who dares to challenge our puppet in chief. It was kind of like Parliament. Maybe we should throw a little more sport into the process.

I seem to recall many GW Bush state of the union speeches that were accompanied by boisterous responses from the left.

Rep. Wilson had obviously heard enough from Obama and let it slip. He can just use the Obama/Biden canned defense of "I misspoke" and all should be well.

Rep. Wilson I think you should take your mulligan. Obama has used plenty already.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 06:19 AM
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I find the behavior of that congressman just another indication of the way that civility and decorum have been discarded. This was a presidential address to the entire house and this is the behavior that we can expect??? I don't care if it was Bush up there, that sort of behavior is absolutely NOT ACCEPTABLE! There are plenty of forums for the opposition to voice their concerns and anger, but not in the midst of a presidential address! Is this what the political process has become.

I guess we can tell just how the shouters at the town hall meetings feel this is acceptable. Hmm, are they still flying the confederate flag down there in SC???? Just another example of bad behavior, what happened to the so called southern charm and dignity? In the toilet right where there confederate flag belongs.

If he is that concerned you would think he would use the media to appropriately voice his concerns. How sad.

I thought this thread was about this man's behavior but alas, it is just another thread about Health Care reform. We can't even comment on the behavior of our leaders and keep it at that.

edit to add:The bill, HR 3200, would set up a health insurance "exchange," in which consumers could compare policies and choose a plan. It would create a government-run health plan to compete with private insurers in that exchange, and extend subsidies for coverage to people who aren't already covered by employers or federal programs like Medicare and Medicaid.

It specifically bars illegal immigrants from receiving those subsidies. Section 246, which is included in the part of the bill that sets up the exchange, forbids payments "on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

[edit on 9/10/2009 by redhead57]



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 06:24 AM
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It's funny to me all this hooplah over this outburst. Just remember it wasn't that long ago that these guys were tar and feathering one-another but of course in this over politically correct time were in that just won't do.

Anyway how dare he speak up like that, and how dare we speak up at our servant government. this type of behavior just will not do.

These people should just be allowed to run rampant and not be held to any account - even among themselves.

Hey, the guy thinks he's a liar. The mainstream is never gonna say it, but one thing for sure, the word liar and Obama are going to come up alot today. Apology or no apology.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 06:28 AM
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I'm glad someone had the BALLS to challenge the President on his remarks. He has been LYING and frequently about a lot of things. Just because someone speaks their mind does not make them wrong.

I applaude the Congressman for standing up and saying what he thought because the rest of America is also feeling the same way. There is a huge concensus out here in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave that our President is not who or what he pretends to be. That he constantly lies.

He is a marxist socialist by his policies and actions. Our days I feel are numbered when we don't believe as he does and won't follow his policies as he desires. We may know soon what he is all about and who he really is.

There is a YouTube video that does point out who Obama is and according to the Hebrew texts and to what Christ said, Christ identified the Anti-Christ in the last days ..... Baraq Bamah (Barack Obama).

Here is the link:


[edit on 9/10/2009 by Evisscerator]



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 06:29 AM
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Originally posted by stevegmu

In N. Virginia, many of the illegals live 15-20 to a house, send most of their money home, spend the rest on beer. Do you actually think they would spend money getting health insurance, if anyone would insure illegals? They already have free health care clinics, and get emergency treatment from hospitals, courtesy of the taxpayers.


Tell me about it. I happen to live in a town in N. Virginia that got taken over by them. There are at least 10 in the TH next to me and they gave me roaches. Obama lies about this issue just like the rest of them. I was cheering lastnight when I was watching the speech. Not 2 seconds before Wilson yelled, "you lie", I sat there with my girlfriend when Obama said no care was going to illegals and I said, "LIES!". I guess you can't really refuse care to someone that's injured but part of the bill needs to be that anyone that shows up for emergency care that can't produce a VALID identification and prove they are a citizen of this country gets immediately handed off to ICE to determine if deportation is warranted. I'm sick of this corrupt ass congress letting these illegals slide, letting banks steal trillions from us, and forcing all their controls down our throats. EVERY single one of them needs to be fired at the least and many of them jailed if possible. I can literally count on one hand the amount of congress critters that should keep their job. The rest need to go with all possible haste.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 06:43 AM
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I think that the Congressman should have maintained his composure and kept his mouth shut, after all obama is President. The fact is that the President of the United States is FLAT OUT lying to the American people!!!!!!!!! That just is not right, so for some keeping their mouth shut is hard. This man should not be able to lie to everybody to pass his own agenda! The things that he is saying about this bill are complete fabrications! What type of president is that? Certainly not one I want in office......



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 06:47 AM
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I'm gonna jump the shark and spare someone the argument to my post.

But he's the President, you can't say that about the President (suggesting he holds a place of power) Such a lack of respect. Tsk tsk,

He said he was going to get our boys out of Iraq, what happened there?

Well he found out there were things out of his control (so much for Power ) and were supposed to respect this position which apparently doesn't have the power to keep any of his Campaign promisses.

Well he just said that to get elected!

Well then he LIED!



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 06:55 AM
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I mulled over what I really felt over what Rep. Wilson did.

On one hand, yes, I agree, the outburst lacked civility. This is our Congress after all, and agree or not, Obama is our President. For that alone he has earned a level of respect.

The thing is, IMO, respect is lost when you lie and obviously Rep. Wilson feels that Obama has done just that.


With all that said, I also understand why Wilson did this. Obama has utilized the national media to push the Dem. health care reform even when it is perfectly clear that a majority the American people don't want it. Many of the Rep.'s are probably feeling like their voices, the voices of the people they represent, are not being heard & that Obama's use of these national forums to tell the American people lies without giving any "rebuttal time" probably frustrates the heck of some.

And that is what IMO lead to the outburst by Rep. Wilson. He is frustrated that Obama is telling the American public what some believe are outright lies and they have no way to stop it.

For speaking out, for being the voice of dissent, I commend Wilson.
Could he have voiced his opinion in a better way, sure, but frustration seemed to have ruled at that moment.

Also to those who question whether illegals will be covered under the public option, consider this. NY state Medicaid system has gone out of it's way to make sure illegals are insured. They even went so far as to fight back against federal rulings that limited Medicaid in covering people who lacked proper documentation. So to anyone who thinks that the public option won't possibly cover illegals, think again, Democratic NY State sure fought to make sure their illegals were covered on the taxpayers dime.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 06:59 AM
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I for one am glad any politician is standing up for what the people want. I wish this individual could have done it in a more classy way but at this point I am appreciative of any efforts made.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 07:00 AM
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I am amazed at the outburst from South Carolina Republican Rep. Joe Wilson. In a time when we need bi-partisan support from both sides, it is clear that some republicans are simply going to dig in and continue to be part of the "party of n


I'm amazed at how suddenly any thing said against Obama is treated as blasphemy. When Bush was president, outburst were the norm and anyone who disagreed was browbeat by the media and ATS posters.

Now suddenly anything said or outburst against Obama is treated like some kind of sin. Can anyone explain the inconsistency?

Over 8 years the Democrats set the standard for how the president is to be treated. You guys made your bed, now sleep in it.



[edit on 10-9-2009 by Wimbly]



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 07:04 AM
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Gee, if Obama was truly the charismatic person that he is made out to be instead of the angry scowl he could have dropped back with a smile baring containing a laugh and said, "If I am to be heckled like a stand up comic perhaps I should ask you do for a living."

It would have broke the tension and everyone would have laughed at Wilson, therefore defusing the outburst and making him look the fool.

But that is just me.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 07:06 AM
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Originally posted by xmaddness
Edit for better discussions:
Do you think what Rep. Joe Wilson did was justified? Why do you think this?
Does this outburst set a new precedent for more "colorful" debates in the house and congress? If so, is this a good thing or a bad thing?


Source: South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson shouts, 'You lie' at Obama
After the speech, South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson issued a statement apologizing for his outburst. "This evening, I let my emotions get the best of me when listening to the president's remarks regarding the coverage of illegal immigrants in the health care bill," the statement said. "While I disagree with the president's statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the president for this lack of civility."




Source: Congressman Yells 'You Lie' During Obama Speech
"Anybody who would cat-call the president of the United States addressing this body is very, very inappropriate, and he will hear from a lot of us about that," Rep. Jerry Lewis, R-Calif., told FOX News Radio.



House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who spoke to FOX News before learning who delivered the yell, said she didn't intend to move to sanction anyone for it.


Original video link provided by member Iago18 here



I am amazed at the outburst from South Carolina Republican Rep. Joe Wilson. In a time when we need bi-partisan support from both sides, it is clear that some republicans are simply going to dig in and continue to be part of the "party of no".

What furthers my anger of such outbursts is the fact that there is no final bill drawn that would even be able to prove that this is in fact a lie. Where does he get off calling this a lie without anything to back it up? Incidents like this are exactly what is causing the propagation of propagandist mis-information in this country on this issue.

Amazing.



www.foxnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

edits to add more discussion, updates and video

[edit on 9-9-2009 by xmaddness]



Its the truth, maybe out of order but truth nonetheless. here are some examples of some lies from obama. how can you trust a man who lies this much?


No. 24: End income tax for seniors making less than $50,000

"Will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. This will eliminate taxes for 7 million seniors -- saving them an average of $1,400 a year-- and will also mean that 27 million seniors will not need to file an income tax return at all."

>>More
Promise Broken
No. 234: Allow five days of public comment before signing bills

To reduce bills rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them, Obama "will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days."

>>More
Promise Broken
No. 240: Tougher rules against revolving door for lobbyists and former officials

"No political appointees in an Obama-Biden administration will be permitted to work on regulations or contracts directly and substantially related to their prior employer for two years. And no political appointee will be able to lobby the executive branch after leaving government service during the remainder of the administration."

>>More
Promise Broken
No. 505: Create a $3,000 tax credit for companies that add jobs

"During 2009 and 2010, existing businesses will receive a $3,000 refundable tax credit for each additional full-time employee hired."

>>More
Promise Broken
No. 508: Allow penalty-free hardship withdrawals from retirement accounts in 2008 and 2009

"Obama and Biden are calling for legislation that would allow withdrawals of 15% up to $10,000 from retirement accounts without penalty (although subject to the normal taxes). This would apply to withdrawals in 2008 (including retroactively) and 2009."

>>More
Promise Broken
No. 511: Recognize the Armenian genocide

"Two years ago, I criticized the Secretary of State for the firing of U.S. Ambassador to Armenia, John Evans, after he properly used the term 'genocide' to describe Turkey's slaughter of thousands of Armenians starting in 1915. … as President I will recognize the Armenian Genocide."

>>More
Promise Broken
No. 517: Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN

To achieve health care reform, "I'm going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We'll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators. Insurance companies, drug companies -- they'll get a seat at the table, they just won't be able to buy every chair. But what we will do is, we'll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies. And so, that approach, I think is what is going to allow people to stay involved in this process."

>>More

[edit on 10-9-2009 by Keeper of Kheb]



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 07:14 AM
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You see, here is my beef with this 'government' sponsored health care plan. A) We already have something in place for those in need. B) We have something in place for the elderly.

The problem is that legislation has PREVENTED the thousands of health insurance companies from competing in all of the states. For example, let's look at the most populated state in our nation. California has something like 6, yes SIX, insurance companies that people can choose from. Now how the heck is this creating a competitive environment? What is happening is that these 6 can now prop up their rates and deny whoever they want on baseless grounds because there are only SIX of them! It's a virtual monopoly.

If you want to create an affordable system you MUST keep it in the private sector. Open up the doors for at least 500 companies to compete in each state. Or more for that matter.

By doing this we will fix this pathetic expensive problem that we have right now. And it will be a MUCH BETTER system than could ever be devised by an agency that has failed miserably in so many other things due to the constant bickering. Our government.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 07:14 AM
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I just love all these comments about showing Barry respect


Just like the respect the Congress, the Senate and the Obama Administration have shown the American people and our constitution


One day we will look back at these people (Bush, Obama, Pelosi, etc.) for the treasonous thugs they really are - destroying our country from within -


If there is any justice history will have no respect for them.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by Wimbly
Now suddenly anything said or outburst against Obama is treated like some kind of sin. Can anyone explain the inconsistency?

Over 8 years the Democrats set the standard for how the president is to be treated. You guys made your bed, now sleep in it.



I think the argument can be made that two wrongs don't make a right. That said, I do not disagree with you. The occasional spontaneous outburst can have surprising effects, and as we're seeing with this incident, it can often be a net positive. Wilson's outburst has everyone talking about how Obama 'lies'. A lot of people are going to be checking the proposals to see if he really was lying or not and regardless of which side of the debate you fall on, that's a good thing.

Obama's biggest mistake was glaring at Wilson instead of making a joke about it and marginalizing him or just ignoring it altogether. The last thing you want to do is to acknowledge and legitimize a heckler and that's what Obama did by giving him that 'go-to-hell' look.



[edit on 10-9-2009 by vor78]



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 07:16 AM
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Oh wow, on page seven and still with the B.S.!!!!!!

It rook me two minutes to find this:

DOH!?!

And dis right hurr:

PDF

read it or shut up!!



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 07:16 AM
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There is a time and place for everything, the Senator did not follow proper protocol and there is a price to pay for a breach of that magnitude. Aside from that Bipartisan is a ship that sailed away some time ago. There are certainly enough "The other party must fail at any cost" followers to ensure nothing important gets done in this country for the forseeable future.

[edit on 10-9-2009 by Helmkat]



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