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Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by infolurker
I don't care if we have healthcare reform as long as it is as GOOD OR BETTER than what I have today!
To trust the government at all is down right stupid. The republicans and the democrats are working for corporate and banking interests, and not the US citizen. This was brought home to American farmers when first Clinton, then Bush and now Obama sided with Monsanto, and the Ag/Pharma Cartel to sell out not only the US farmers and consumers but the poor the world over. History of the Food Supply Take Over
If you do not think the Banks, insurance companies and the Ag/Pharma Cartel are going to be the winners in this health Care bill you are nuts.
Here are a couple of examples of how the banks are going to benefit. First the money for this program has to be borrowed, and the money borrowed is created out of thin air by the FED. What happens to your increase in tax dollars then? The banks get ALL of it!
"With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government." - from the Grace Commission Report famguardian.org...
Here is the other way banks are going to profit from the Health Care bill
The bankers plan to buy “life settlements,” life insurance policies that ill and elderly people sell for cash — $400,000 for a $1 million policy, say, depending on the life expectancy of the insured person. Then they plan to “securitize” these policies, in Wall Street jargon, by packaging hundreds or thousands together into bonds. They will then resell those bonds to investors, like big pension funds, who will receive the payouts when people with the insurance die.
The earlier the policyholder dies, the bigger the return — though if people live longer than expected, investors could get poor returns or even lose money....
Opponents of the bills made the following claims:
- Claim 1: PG 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life.
- Claim 2: PG 425 Lines 17-19 Government will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
- Claim 3: PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.
- Claim 4: PG 429 Lines 1-9 An “advance care planning consultant” will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.
- Claim 5: PG 429 Lines 10-12 “advance care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from Government.
- Claim 6: PG 429 Lines 13-25 The Government will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order. Logan’s Run anyone?
- Claim 7: PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.
These claims were matched with what was in Bill and explored at ATS The claims were found to be true or to have at least have some basis
So add up the facts:
"End of Life" care is to be regulated by the government including withholding of care.
Bankers/Speculators will make more money if you croak as soon as possible
Discussions of denying health care based on the cost benefit ratio depending on age and other factors
Your health care records may become public domain
I find this behind the scenes scenario very chilling indeed. Is this what the advocates of health care wish. Banker/Speculators who find it advantagious to have the government commit "legal murder"?
Originally posted by FantasmaTaans
You do know V for Vendetta was made for President Bush Right?
Originally posted by otheym
reply to post by xmaddness
No, I don't think he was justified in showing such bad manners. Whether or not he disagrees with Obama is not the point. There are certain rules for decorum and behavior during a speech to the Congress and he showed extremely bad taste. Oh well, this is the age of rudeness anyway so I guess we will see more of this. If you don't like Obama then support your candidate to run against him in 2012. That is the way a democracy is supposed to work.
Originally posted by stevegmu
Originally posted by Mak Manto
That's the British Parliament.
This the United States Congress.
Different rules for different systems.
Representative Wilson will wait after the proceedings are over to give his opinion.
When they are in session, decorum is always upheld.
Really, decorum is always upheld? I guess this never happened-
CodePink Founder Interrupts Iraqi PM’s Speech To Congress in Protest Against Iraq War
The protester, CODEPINK’s Medea Benjamin, was arrested and charged with disrupting Congress.
Originally posted by Mak Manto
No one's stopping them from speaking their mind outside the halls.
We only ask for decorum to be held within them. We're not animals here. If you can't make your point without screaming like a two year old, then it's dumb...