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Congressman Yells 'You Lie' During Obama Speech

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posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by Angus123
Whether or not it was a lie, or even a slight bending of the truth notwithstanding, the previous president was the most shameless liar ever to hold the office and nobody ever treated him with such disdain.

It was out of line, and now the whole world can see just how far the once admired United States has sunk into the mud.




Say WHAT?!? They never treated him with such disdain?? Seriously?

Bush boo'd




posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by Hal9000
I think Obama could have left out the divisive comments toward the right. That is not how you gain bipartisan support and I was surprised he used it.


I thought he went pretty easy on them. But he did call them out, yes. I thought it was about time.

I wondered what the "you lie" comment was actually meant to address, too. But after watching it again, I'm convinced it was the illegal immigrants thing (but you could be right that their ire started to rise with the Death Panel comment):





Well the time for bickering is over. The time for games has passed. Now is the season for action. Now is when we must bring the best ideas of both parties together, and show the American people that we can still do what we were sent here to do. Now is the time to deliver on health care.



Agreed. There were several good ideas he got from Republicans and I hope they can all work together to get it done! We need this so badly!



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 11:53 AM
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Even though I am not a supporter of Obama, I found the congressmen to be unprofessional. We have to maintain a certain level of civility and respect to the presidency. It was very distasteful.

Obama is a socialist without question; however, he occupies a significant seat in our government. If we do not show that seat respect, there will be no power of influence when a respected man sits in it.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 11:58 AM
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Have the floor.

Obama had the floor. It was rude and unprofessional.

Some here have said that the Congressman has his rights under the 1st Amendment. Guess what? So does Obama. He interupted Obama when he was exercising his.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 11:59 AM
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Here is proof of another lie, or lets be nice and sweet and call it a "misrepresentation".

sweetness-light.com...

From the article:

in his speech last night:

One man from Illinois lost his coverage in the middle of chemotherapy because his insurer found that he hadn’t reported gallstones that he didn’t even know about. They delayed his treatment, and he died because of it.

Consequently, the insurance company overturned their original decision to rescind her brother’s coverage, and he was reinstated in the words of his sister, "without [any] lapse."

This is not quite the impression Mr. Obama gives with his rendition of Mr. Raddatz’s story.

Despite Mr. Obama’s claims, Mr. Raddatz’s treatment was never delayed. And he did not die because of it.

Meanwhile, in this very same speech Mr. Obama accused others of misrepresenting the facts.

end of article.

Visit the link to read the full *real* story take from 75 pages of court transcripts.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by Pathos
Even though I am not a supporter of Obama, I found the congressmen to be unprofessional. We have to maintain a certain level of civility and respect to the presidency. It was very distasteful.

Obama is a socialist without question; however, he occupies a significant seat in our government. If we do not show that seat respect, there will be no power of influence when a respected man sits in it.


So basically your saying is that he should have just remained sitted and know his place?



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 12:01 PM
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You are aware that Bush was heckled MANY times by democrats, right? I am not saying this is right, just wondering how it is "okay" for one group, and not for the other one.
In both cases, you can condemn or defend either one, depending on your allegiances.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by TheTruthShallFreeYou
You are aware that Bush was heckled MANY times by democrats, right?


While he was addressing Congress?



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 12:06 PM
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Joe Biden has given the latest, best example of the adage that "a gaffe is when a politician tells the truth."

Appearing on Good Morning America today to talk up Pres. Obama's health care speech to Congress, the veep praised his boss for debunking various supposedly false assertions, including "how we're going to insure illegal aliens." Biden was just about to move on when, realizing his crime against political correctness, he revised his remark: "undocumented aliens," quoth the VP.

newsbusters.org...

He's right though. Technically, it won't be a lie when it happens, because the illegal aliens, er undocumented immigrants will all be legalized and granted full citizenship and full access to Social Security and the Government option as a citizen by then.

So it's only kind of a lie now, but really won't be when it is implemented.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 12:13 PM
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An important point to be made is that Obama doesn't just "lie". He is straight from the Bill Clinton
mold of pathologically lying megalomaniac. A lot of dictators fall into this category.
It is my belief that these people are 'functionally insane'...their mental illness makes them believe that
whatever they say is the truth. People who disagree with them become their enemies. History has shown
that many of these types have risen to positions of great power.

Observe Obama or Bill Clinton when someone disagrees with them.
They don't ever say "Maybe you're right", or "I could be wrong."
They smirk at the disagreer and then spew out a stream of condescending rebuttals in a tone
that says "Let me educate you, you poor fool, because to dare to even question me is absurd. I'm infinitely
more intelligent than you. I'll tell you what's right and wrong, I'll tell you how to think."

In Obama's case it was greatly fueled by media morons comparing him to JFK, Abe Lincoln, Martin Luther King, etc.
The weirdo who hosts the "Hardball" show even said he felt a 'furrowing up his leg' when Obama spoke.

These videos really show his true colors:
www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 12:30 PM
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I think one Republican yelling out "you lie" while he is talking is a little better then the majority of Dems booing Bush as he made his way to the podium.

The only thing he did wrong was issue an apology. If you make a bold statement in a high profile arena as he did then you best stick with it and not back pedal.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by jd140
I think one Republican yelling out "you lie" while he is talking is a little better then the majority of Dems booing Bush as he made his way to the podium.


Doesn't answer my question. Did they call him out while he was speaking to Congress? THAT'S the issue.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 12:33 PM
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When this nation was being founded, fist fights and duels broke out between state representatives all the time. I don't encourage violence, but it goes to show how politically tame we are as a people today.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 12:40 PM
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I don't know about when he was addressing Congress, but he was booed very loudly by the majority of Dems when giving his 2005 State of The Uniion.

You can also check this site out that was posted on the first page that is very interesting. Your boy Obama isn't the first President to be heckled while giving a speech.

mediamatters.org...



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 12:41 PM
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I think the bigger issue has become the issue of Wilson's actions as the focal point as opposed to the address itself. You can almost see Wilson standing in front of the Mission Accomplished banner now.

Two little words spoken out of turn and we forget about the issue itself...an almost perfect derail had the speech been a thread.

But then again, maybe I lie.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 12:44 PM
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Something everyone needs to understand, Obama did not lie in this instance. Don't get your panties in an uproar, keep reading.

The truth is, is it does not matter if this plan covers illegal's or not, as illegals are already covered by other GOVERNMENT funded programs.

Illegals do not need to be covered in this bill. It would be redundant, actually it would then force illegals to pay for health insurance, instead of the sweet deal they get now. So personally, I think it would be appropriate for this insurance for illegals. As of NOW, they get FREE health care paid for by our taxes.

Programs that we pay for through taxes. Programs that illegals get, just because they are illegal, which my children do not, even though we are middle income citizens who work hard, pay our taxes, and still cannot afford health insurance.

The second issue that pisses me off, is "forcing" families to have insurance. One thing that MUST be understood, is "forcing" me to get insurance does not help one bit. If I cannot afford to buy health insurance now, what makes them think I can if they "force" me to?

I will do my part then, go to jail because I won't be able to buy health care for my children. My children will then become wards of the state, and they will get health care, as will I in jail.

I am sorry, being independent, but having supported Obama in this quest for health insurance reform, what I see is nothing but crap so far. As it is, I am not in support of this any longer.

What this country needs, is a universal single payer system, and those of you who disagree really need to get out of your caves and take a look around the world.

We pay for other countries to have universal health care, like oh I don't know ever heard of a place called Afghanistan? Or how about Iraq? Doesn't it seem a bit on the "I'm stupid" side for Americans to be paying for other countries to have health care, countries that we are "at war with none the less", but not your own people?

I tried to get health coverage for my children, while in our local office, I was just about the only english speaking person filling the paperwork. I truly felt, that I was being discriminated against, I am whiteish (lots of native american but with blonde hair), born of this country for many many generations, and wanted to yell at the government employees who I felt were discriminating against me. We were denied, we make about 400 over the limit. Like that is going to buy health care for our children? Even though we are every month short somewhere around 400 a month and eating into our savings.

And then we all fall in step, you on that side, me on this side and let the fighting begin, while NONE of us look at the real issues.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by Roadblockx

Originally posted by Angus123
Whether or not it was a lie, or even a slight bending of the truth notwithstanding, the previous president was the most shameless liar ever to hold the office and nobody ever treated him with such disdain.

It was out of line, and now the whole world can see just how far the once admired United States has sunk into the mud.




Say WHAT?!? They never treated him with such disdain?? Seriously?

Bush boo'd



Cute link... but a low grumble, that barely rises to the level of being booed is not the same thing as screaming out "LIAR".



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 12:45 PM
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TED KOPPEL (ABC host): When the president talked about the bankruptcy of Social Security, there were clearly some Democrats on the floor who thought that that was taking it too far. And they did something that, apparently, no one at this table has ever heard before. They booed. [ABC, Nightline, 2/2/05; Koppel's panel consisted of former Bush adviser Mary Matalin, former Reagan chief of staff Ken Duberstein, and former Clinton speechwriter Michael Waldman]

JOHN ROBERTS (CBS White House correspondent): At a couple points in this address, it looked more like the British Parliament than the United States Congress. I've never heard the minority party shout at the president during the State of the Union address. [CBS, post-speech coverage, 2/2/05]

more here: mediamatters.org...


Here is a video of Bush being heckled during the State of The Union address:
www.realclearpolitics.com...

It's been done, both sides, not always the same venues, but comparably embarrassing for both parties, IMO.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 12:46 PM
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Its a bigger issue because last nights speech was basically the same old thing we heard at every televised town hall meeting in the weeks leading up to his vacation.

His health care speeches have grown stale from repeition.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 12:49 PM
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Considering the facts, as sourced in the links below, Mr. Wilson's outburst calling the President a liar was not only rude, but was itself a lie.

factcheck.org...

"H.R. 3200 includes a provision that specifically says that there will be no federal funds spent to cover illegal immigrants:

H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

The preceding section reiterates this, stating that “the term ‘affordable credit eligible individual’ means … an individual who is lawfully present in a State in the United States.” In other words, no federal subsidies for you if you’re in the country illegally. Besides, illegal immigrants aren’t eligible for federal health programs under current law. (Tax dollars do, however, cover emergency care.)"

Politifact article titled "Joe Wilson of South Carolina said Obama lied, but he didn't" - www.politifact.com...



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