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Pilgrum said.......
I've yet to see any evidence of any explosions of sufficient magnitude btw)
Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by Psychoses
It was simple physics
South tower was struck 15 floors lower than North (78 to 83 floors vs
93 to 98) - that meant hundred of thousands of tons more weight
to be supported by structure
9:52 a.m.
Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven to Battalion Seven Alpha." "Freddie, come on over. Freddie, come on over by us."
Battalion Seven Chief:
"Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones."
Ladder 15: "What stair are you in, Orio?"
Battalion Seven Aide: "Seven Alpha to lobby command post."
Ladder Fifteen: "Fifteen to Battalion Seven."
Battalion Seven Chief: "... Ladder 15."
Ladder 15: "Chief, what stair you in?"
Battalion Seven Chief: "South stairway Adam, South Tower."
Ladder 15: "Floor 78?"
Battalion Seven Chief: "Ten-four, numerous civilians, we gonna need two engines up here."
Ladder 15: "Alright ten-four, we're on our way."
9:52 a.m.
Battalion Seven Aide: "Seven Alpha for Battalion Seven."
Battalion Seven Chief: "South tower, Steve, south tower, tell them...Tower one. Battalion
Seven to Ladder 15. "Fifteen."
Battalion Seven Chief: "I'm going to need two of your firefighters Adam stairway to knock down two fires. We have a house line stretched we could use some water on it, knock it down, kay."
Ladder 15: "Alright ten-four, we're coming up the stairs. We're on 77 now in the B stair, I'll be right to you."
Ladder 15 Roof: "Fifteen Roof to 15. We're on 71. We're coming right up."
9:57 a.m.
"Division 3 ... lobby command, to the Fieldcom command post."
Battalion Seven Chief: "Operations Tower One to floor above Battalion Nine."
Battalion Nine Chief: "Battalion Nine to command post."
Battalion Seven Operations Tower One:
"Battalion Seven Operations Tower One to Battalion Nine, need you on floor above 79. We have access stairs going up to 79, kay."
Battalion Nine: "Alright, I'm on my way up Orio."
Ladder 15 OV: "Fifteen OV to Fifteen."
Ladder 15: "Go ahead Fifteen OV, Battalion Seven Operations Tower One."
Ladder 15 OV: "Stuck in the elevator, in the elevator shaft, you're going to have to get a difference elevator. We're chopping through the wall to get out."
Battalion Seven Chief: "Radio lobby command with that Tower One."
9:58 a.m.
Battalion Seven Chief: "Battalion Seven to Ladder 15."
(END OF TAPE)
Originally posted by homervb
I just want to throw this in there...
The South Tower did collapse first...and ironically it began to collapse as soon as the firefighters confirmed they could keep the fires under control. Out of complete speculation, I'm going to say if charges were detonated then maybe someone was monitoring all emergency radio communications, they heard the firefighters managed to make it to the point of impact with the realization that the fires were not the "burning inferno" as described by government sponsored experts.
Once again, this is complete speculation. Just wanted to throw that notion in there
Why don't we have a table specifying the tons of steel and tons of concrete that were on every level and why hasn't the physics profession been demanding that information for TEN YEARS?
Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by psikeyhackr
Why don't we have a table specifying the tons of steel and tons of concrete that were on every level and why hasn't the physics profession been demanding that information for TEN YEARS?
Its in the NIST report - you just can't be bothered to read it. Too bad.
Originally posted by psikeyhackr
Originally posted by homervb
I just want to throw this in there...
The South Tower did collapse first...and ironically it began to collapse as soon as the firefighters confirmed they could keep the fires under control. Out of complete speculation, I'm going to say if charges were detonated then maybe someone was monitoring all emergency radio communications, they heard the firefighters managed to make it to the point of impact with the realization that the fires were not the "burning inferno" as described by government sponsored experts.
Once again, this is complete speculation. Just wanted to throw that notion in there
But it's damned reasonable speculation. I thought of the same thing as soon as I read the OP but it is not the stuff I normally talk about.
psik
Originally posted by psikeyhackr
Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by psikeyhackr
Why don't we have a table specifying the tons of steel and tons of concrete that were on every level and why hasn't the physics profession been demanding that information for TEN YEARS?
Its in the NIST report - you just can't be bothered to read it. Too bad.
You just keep claiming that. I notice you have not specified the total for the concrete and told us where it is.
psik
Originally posted by hooper
Originally posted by psikeyhackr
Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by psikeyhackr
Why don't we have a table specifying the tons of steel and tons of concrete that were on every level and why hasn't the physics profession been demanding that information for TEN YEARS?
Its in the NIST report - you just can't be bothered to read it. Too bad.
You just keep claiming that. I notice you have not specified the total for the concrete and told us where it is.
psik
Sorry, you can't be bothered to read the one document that list the answers to the question you've been asking for years so I'll be damned if I am going to do your research for you while you insult the world's engineers, scientist and not to mention all Americans.
Originally posted by hooper
Originally posted by psikeyhackr
Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by psikeyhackr
Why don't we have a table specifying the tons of steel and tons of concrete that were on every level and why hasn't the physics profession been demanding that information for TEN YEARS?
Its in the NIST report - you just can't be bothered to read it. Too bad.
You just keep claiming that. I notice you have not specified the total for the concrete and told us where it is.
psik
Sorry, you can't be bothered to read the one document that list the answers to the question you've been asking for years so I'll be damned if I am going to do your research for you while you insult the world's engineers, scientist and not to mention all Americans.
50 some reports of over 10,000 pages. But it is in electronic form I searched it for every occurrence of concrete and steel and read all of them. They specify the total for the steel in three places. They never specify the total for the concrete. The distributions down the buildings for either the steel or the concrete is not there.
Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by psikeyhackr
50 some reports of over 10,000 pages. But it is in electronic form I searched it for every occurrence of concrete and steel and read all of them. They specify the total for the steel in three places. They never specify the total for the concrete. The distributions down the buildings for either the steel or the concrete is not there.
Yes it is. You just can't "search" for it. You have to actually read the document. But you never will. We all know that. Because even if someone etched your numbers in stone and hand delivered them to your house it would all be moot because your "theory" is pure rubbish. In your world of twisted physics buildings can never collapse because if a building can stand, it is incapable of falling.
You make a point of distorting information with gross oversimplifications....
If the building is over 1000 feet tall and the top 15% is supposed to crush the rest that is.