7 Things to watch for tonight during and after Obama

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by Libertygal

 

You're right. They are having a hard time finding votes for something Americans do not want.

IF you think Americans like the current healthcare situation then the GOP is going to
invite the DEMS right back in. GOP and you seem to represent nothing but doing nothing for the sake of POINTS.

I think this anti healthcare stance as it is will NOT serve the GOP in the long run.
After a while people will notice who loses when you do nothing and who advocates doing nothing.

reply to post by Dr Love


Well, Obama had his chance and he blew it.
The Republican response was outstanding!
You heard what Obama said. Now just watch what he and Pelosi do.

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ObamaCare = Financial Disaster
Can't you see that?
The democrats are running away from Obama for a really good reason.
They want to get reelected.
Obama needs to stop whining.
That speech was a disaster.
He said all the wrong things.

He seemed tense and nervous to me, as if he knew that he was saying the same ol' same ol' and wasn't going to change any minds at all.

He kept trying to make it a campaign speech; he wanted agreement and applause, which was sporadic at best.

I give him a D-.

I thought the speech was pretty good. I partially expected him to cave on the public option, which he didn't do. Good for him.

Without a public option people the health care reform is nothing but a joke, as the people in the lower percent of the nation that this supposedly health care reform is to help will still be without insurance.

So there you get it people if you actually are getting anything at all, but penalties for not bending to the private insurance government backed gouging, now get ready for been forced into an insurance mandate just like car insurance and this time the IRS is going to get up your butts so you are a good slave and pay your dues.

People are so blind they still doesn't get it.

Mandatory health care by law but still private insurance are the ones to profit and benefit from another power grab.

Originally posted by Masonic Light
I thought the speech was pretty good. I partially expected him to cave on the public option, which he didn't do. Good for him.

This was the "Bait & Switch" i was talking about.
It looks like Obama has convinced Bill O'reilly than the Public Option
is out.
Don't so sure Bill.
I think the Public Option WILL be slid in there through a back door
hair trigger on page 666 of the final bill. Thank you LWL Nancy Pelosi.
Most of Obamas speech was a lot of immature whining.

I give Obama a grade of D- on that campaign speech.

[edit on 10-9-2009 by Eurisko2012]

Originally posted by Eurisko2012


This was the "Bait & Switch" i was talking about.
It looks like Obama has convinced Bill O'reilly than the Public Option
is out.
Don't so sure Bill.
I think the Public Option WILL be slid in there through a back door
hair trigger on page 666 of the final bill.

Obama was pretty clear last night that the public option is included. I support that completely: any bill without the public option would be a waste of time and money, as Marg mentioned.

Although I've long been a proponent of a single-payer system, the public option is at least a step in the right direction, although it doesn't go far enough under Obama's plan.

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I think the most you will get is a hair trigger Public Option.
Pelosi will slide it in there and say "good enough".
The majority of Americans don't want it.
In November 2012 there will still be a clear majority that do not want
the U.S. Government taking over 16% of the U.S. economy.
The Republicans will just undo and rip out everything Pelosi
does. Americans will CHEER when the Republicans do it. Just watch.


[edit on 10-9-2009 by Eurisko2012]

reply to post by Masonic Light



The public option is probably the single worst, most potentially destructive, part of the current plan.

Why create an entire new bloated bureaucracy when all the pieces are already in place to accomplish the same thing with private insurers?

Answer: Because it is one more step toward creating a socialistic nation and giving more control to the federal gov't.

Originally posted by jsobecky


The public option is probably the single worst, most potentially destructive, part of the current plan.

Why create an entire new bloated bureaucracy when all the pieces are already in place to accomplish the same thing with private insurers?

You can't do it with privates. That's why every single other industrialized nation has already converted to some form of public health care, and why they all beat us. We're number 37 on the list of best health care nations.

The problem with privates is that, as for-profit businesses, their obvious incentive is to make profits. Their number one goal is not in providing health care. Therefore, they have the incentive to deny as many claims as possible, and the whistleblowers have alrteady confirmed it is standard practice for insurance companies to award employees bonuses based upon how many claims they can deny.

What we need is a low cost, simplified system of handling insurance, which guarantees coverage for all citizens. The single payer system is best in this regard. It's single cost pool simplifies administration, and brings down costs. The fact that it covers everyone also brings down costs: no more uninsured folks running to emergency rooms, which ends with hospitals having to write off those expenses and charging those with insurance more to make up for it.

Answer: Because it is one more step toward creating a socialistic nation and giving more control to the federal gov't.

You may not trust government, but I do not trust the Wall Street fat cats who control the insurance industry. At least with governemnt, officials are answerable to the people through elections. Not so with insurance tycoons.

And most of the folks who are leading the crusade against "government takeovers" are themselves Republican government officials. And you better believe that THEY have government sponsored insurance, and don't plan to give it up.



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There is nothing that can't be done by reforming private insurance that requires a new bloated bureaucracy.

Problems with denials? Fix the problem. It doesn't require a new gov't agency.

Let the privates operate across state lines. Then you will see change.

I want the same benefits at the same cost that the congress has. I want to be part of their insurance program.

That is real choice.

Why can't I have it? Because of gov't interference, is why.

That's why every single other industrialized nation has already converted to some form of public health care

And that is why we are the number 1 superpower in the world, not a follower.

We are the lone holdout of sanity.

The second-rate nations do not have the task of heavy military. That is why they can tax their citizens to the brink of bankruptcy to achieve a socialistic goal of national health care.



[edit on 11-9-2009 by jsobecky]