reply to post by calstorm
I think you have to look for indicators in these scriptures. For example, the post that refers to Paul's passage in I Thess. is almost identical to
the I Corinthian 15 passage, except the latter passage adds, "at the last trumpet". Pre-tribs say this refers to the series of trumpet blasts used
in the wilderness, the last trumpet blast meaning "start moving".
However, In Revelation, there are 7 trumpet judgements. The first 6 are dealt with quickly, but the 7th covers two chapters, and uses the interesting
phrase "in the days of the sounding of the seventh trumpet". Here, there is a message to the saints that the days are to be accomplished when the
dead will be raised and the saints will be rewarded.
Since every person will be judged according to scripture, why should it be hard to believe that saints cannot go through the trumpet judgements?
Israel had to cover the lintels of their doors so that they would not fall under the condemnation reserved for the Egyptians. But the act of placing
blood on the posts was still judged by God.
Paul tells us in Romans that we are not appointed unto (God's) wrath. The vials or bowls of wrath come after the last trumpet is sounded. If the
day of wrath is a day (or very short period of time), it is possible that the church has been withdrawn into the clouds to be with the Lord, and then
brought back down at Armageddon. Of course He has brought the saints (souls) in heaven with Him for their reunification with their bodies at the
At the end of Revelation, Jesus says He brings His rewards with Him. So if the saints are to be rewarded, that will not occur until His return. He
also speaks about the "great tribulation" and throughout scripture this time is seen as 3 1/2 years (42 months). It is possible that we have missed
out on what Daniel was saying about seven years. Seven years is the period God has designated for His "clock" to start back up. But remember,
Jesus said no man knows the day nor the hour of His return. If the rapture occurs at the beginning, it would be possible to calculate precisely this
event. So if the 7 years begin on His clock, so to speak, without any outward sign, the result would be a surprise of sorts to the willfully
What we do know is that when the antichrist sits on the throne in Jerusalem (the temple), this happens at the end of the 3 1/2 yrs. But that does not
mean the middle of the tribulation, just the middle of the RENEWED peace treaty. Remember, it is the GREAT tribulation, which is 42 months. Daniel
says the "little horn" renews a treaty or re-establishes it. Don't look for a new Middle East treaty - just the enforcement of one of the ones
that already exists.
I am not sure that any of us can "set our feet in cement" on this, but it helps if you have knowledge of Greek, Hebrew, and history. I do believe
we can do what Jesus said, 'When these things begin to come to pass, lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near.'
[edit on 10-9-2009 by skycopilot]