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posted on Sep, 9 2009 @ 03:06 PM
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If sedition is subversion of the Constitution, our Executive and Legislative branches are clearly guilty.

The key component is the Constitution.

You want to revolt to restore the Constitution, that's more like disturbing the peace.

A misdemeanor.




posted on Sep, 9 2009 @ 03:09 PM
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No it does not. The constitution protects politicians and the government more than it does the people. Read it again. It does not allow for the people to rise up against the government. See thread below.


There were (and still are) a bunch of folks that would disagree with you...


When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

www.earlyamerica.com...



posted on Sep, 9 2009 @ 10:14 PM
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What if the operating government (as opposed to a legally established government) has already subverted the constitution?

I know someone will say "Tha's what we have courts for" but what ever happened to the average American reading the document for him or her self?

Is that allowed? When did we stop being a republic (we were never a democracy) and start being (or expected to behave as if we were) in a military dictatorship?

By your definition, the present government has subverted the law of the land. So what is an American to do? Take it? Wait for them to come get us? The Germans were a very rational nation. But loss of a war, horrific inflation coupled with depression all added up to voting in and loving Hitler. Being "rational" can lead to this. Good grief, there are still Germans who wish for the 'good old days'. I say this not to insult those Germans who have no use for national socialism, but to state what I know.

I have said it before, fear is a terrible, but powerful, motivator. It motivates "all sides" in disputes. That is why the Bible says, "Perfect love casts out all fear." And the only One with that kind of love is God.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 11:16 PM
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I stated in an earlier post that this is truly a catch 22 situation.
We have the right, even the obligation, to remove an oppressive government that no longer carries out the will of the people.

But if this government is duly elected by the process outlined in the constitution, what real recourse is there? The only change would seem to come by voting them out of office when their terms are up.

In the meantime, those that rail against the government to the point of suggesting that a revolt, revolution, or organized effort to ignore the laws they deem unconstitutional are subject to prosecution.

Thus the threat of any real revolt is diminished.

To me is seems that the notion of patriots ready to overthrow a corrupt government is contrived. It seems to me to be a "feel good" sentiment that is encouraged, but would never really be allowed.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 11:39 PM
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feel good......too cool

lock my ass up NOW because i'm feelin good and enjoying a smoke

what else can a bonified domestic terrorist say!

VIVA la cervasa y revolution

arribba undullaye



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 11:50 PM
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Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution


That one part makes the whole of our government guilty of sedition.



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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I started this thread in 2009 and expressed concern about possible enemies lists, calls to report your neighbor of suspicious activity, and the monitoring of emails. At the time these were just speculative predictions of what could possibly take place under a government that did not value free speech. 3 years later all of these things have become a reality. Now we have armed drones ready to patrol the skies and spy on American citizens.

My concern was with regard to free speech, critical of the government being labeled seditious and thus becoming a federal crime. 3 years ago I thought it possible but unlikely, now it is possible and very likely.

I know I am trying to resurrect an old thread but if anyone would like to share your views in the light of recent developments, please do so.
edit on 8/16/2012 by Sparky63 because: spelling



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 03:31 PM
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I should add that now we are faced with the government use of facial recognition software that has very sinister possibilities. Any group, club, organization, or gathering of people opposed to the direction the PTB is taking could be subject to surveillance even without a court order.



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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What you call sedition most here call voicing grievances.



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by VforVendettea
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What you call sedition most here call voicing grievances.


It's not what "I" call sedition, it is what the courts may consider sedition. I agree with you that voicing grievances is exercising our constitution rights, but the potential for an abusive government to arbitrarily label calls for revolution or resistance as seditious is a very real possibility, especially now with the increased powers that have been given to certain government agencies.






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