Originally posted by rich23
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Personally, I'd like the whole birth certificate thing to disappear. That gets SO dull.

Personally I would like to see the whole 9/11 claims dissapear...that has gotten so dull over the years is just absurb...

From the "alien technology destroyed the towers" to the "the military used some laser" to the "thermite explosives" to the claims that "look that building was on fire for a day and didn't fall"... THE BUILDING DIDN"T GET HIT BY A FRIGGEN PASSENGER PLANE....

Not to mention that tower 7 and other surrounding buildings suffered several shockwaves from the plane crash, to the explosions, to the collapse, and part of tower 2 fell on tower 7 opening a hole, ALL of this did weaken the structural integrity of the building...but still we get members showing a picture of some other building in some part of the world which was on fire, and present that as proof that "the government was behind it"...

Yes, there are and have been several things the government has done which was, and is not for the best interest of the people, and we seem to be getting more and more into some form of a socialist dictatorship, but the whole 9/11 conspiracy theories are as absurb as AJ claiming he had the biggest story in 14 years without specifying it was all a HOAX and then we learned later on it was all a hoax... The whole thing has gotten ABSURD...

[edit on 10-9-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Guys... seriously off-topic.

The whole 9/11 thing stank from day one as far as I was concerned, and the smell has gotten ranker with every passing year.

Yes, there will always stuff "debunking" the people who find the evidence and ask the awkward questions, but are there explanations credible? Not usually, and often the signs of disinfo are there for those who know what they're looking at.

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Originally posted by EMPIRE
Does Alex Jones know you even exist?

I sincerely hope not. You clearly haven't picked up on the fact (evident throughout my postings) that I don't even like Jones. Your rambling initial entry evinced no acquaintance with the actual discussion. Bye.

Originally posted by icculus
Oh come on... it's pretty clear what Alex's intent was. [snip]
This guy pedals BS.

Yes. Again, for the hard of thinking (and for those who can apparently type but cannot read), I DO NOT LIKE ALEX JONES. I THINK HE'S A BUFFOON.

It was not clear at the time the mass U2U went out. In fact, it's still not clear, and for those who think the admin at ATS are morally and mentally superior to the cretin Jones, our own Skeptic Overlord, earlier in this thread, proved just as evasive and blustery as Jones on his good days.

And as a matter of fact it's stillpossible it was a mistake that Jones mishandled, or even an attempt to discredit him as mooted earlier in the thread. But you've decided firmly on the possibility that he HOAXED everyone (the gullible masses) for a whole 81 minutes (if the information in the thread is correct, I'm blowed if I'm checking). And some people (plays plaintive melody on world's tiniest invisible violin) were let down by the hype. Serves them right, the gullible oafs.

But trying to mobilise ATS, being told what to think, the lynch mob mentality... these are all things that sit ill with me. You're obviously more comfortable with all that than I am.

Further, if you care about 9/11 truth, then you're supporting an action that would not have done any good. By drawing attention to Jones' error rather than concentrating on the message, people here have done thw work of TPTB for them.

All so you can feel superior to an idiot.


[edit on 12-9-2009 by rich23]

Originally posted by Tom_Proctor
OP,

No, we aren't out to get AJ, It's just that he had us all hyped up, saying it would be news breaking, everything CRAZY.

Turns out, it was garbage and not big at all.

So why the mass U2U and the witch-hunt?

Originally posted by A Fortiori
And the wasted time in-fighting when we could be seizing the moment out there is absolutely a dream come true for the people with something to hide.

Exactly. And these people are so desperate to attack a man who should be a laughing-stock in any rational society that they just don't see it. Terribly sad, really.

Thanks for being one of a few voices here who don't think I'm doing this because I have a secret crush on Alex. It's nice that at least a few people actually get the point.

Originally posted by rich23

Originally posted by EMPIRE
Does Alex Jones know you even exist?

I sincerely hope not. You clearly haven't picked up on the fact (evident throughout my postings) that I don't even like Jones. Your rambling initial entry evinced no acquaintance with the actual discussion. Bye.

Buddy, I don't think you understand my initial post. When sane people with reasonable cognitive skills don't understand something, they refrain from speaking about it or ask for clarification. In short, this is what you should have done, but due to whatever reason you failed.

In my initial post I was not referring to you. The one man I was referring to, that has everyone worked up into a frenzy, is AJ. People are looking at him as if he is the harbinger of truth, the messiah of "the movement" and that this so-called movement hinges on every single thing he does. Yet these people are oblivious to the fact that AJ doesn't even know they exist, and only care if they're helping to pay his server bills, purchase his latest dvd or infowars t-shirt.

In closing, no rambling on my part, just a lack of insight and the inability to seek clarification on yours.



[edit on 13-9-2009 by EMPIRE]

Originally posted by EMPIRE

Originally posted by rich23

Originally posted by EMPIRE
Does Alex Jones know you even exist?

I sincerely hope not. You clearly haven't picked up on the fact (evident throughout my postings) that I don't even like Jones. Your rambling initial entry evinced no acquaintance with the actual discussion. Bye.

Buddy, I don't think you understand my initial post. When sane people with reasonable cognitive skills don't understand something, they refrain from speaking about it or ask for clarification. In short, this is what you should have done, but due to whatever reason you failed.

This is a discussion board. If you have a point to make, make it clearly.

In my initial post I was not referring to you. The one man I was referring to, that has everyone worked up into a frenzy, is AJ.

Yes, I got that at the time. But it's irrelevant as to whether ATS should have gone after him. And in your second post (your ability to read and comprehend my posts being not in evidence) was clearly aimed at me. And it implied that I'm defending Jones and he dowsn't care about me.

If I'm defending Jones, I'm doing so incidentally because what happened at ATS was distasteful to me.

Read the rest of the thread. You still don't seem to get what's going on here.

People are looking at him as if he is the harbinger of truth, the messiah of "the movement" and that this so-called movement hinges on every single thing he does.

If yoiu actually bothered to read the thread you will see that I already understand this and excoriate these people as idiots.

Yet these people are oblivious to the fact that AJ doesn't even know they exist, and only care if they're helping to pay his server bills, purchase his latest dvd or infowars t-shirt.

In closing, no rambling on my part, just a lack of insight and the inability to seek clarification on yours.
[edit on 13-9-2009 by EMPIRE]

You still clearly understand neither my point of view nor the etiquette of a discussion forum. If you throw rambling and off-the-point remarks into the discussion, people will not ask for clarification, they'll assume you're up your own fundament.

Originally posted by rich23

This is a discussion board. If you have a point to make, make it clearly.

Friend, I made myself clear as day in my first post. If you were too emotionally attached or blinded by your hatred for AJ, that is not my problem. However, if you throw a rock at a pack of dogs, the one who got hit is usually the one who barks real loud, so to that I say “Deal with it.”

Yes, I got that at the time.

No, at that time you didn’t get it. You want to know why you didn’t get it? Because you responded with,” Easy now, back to bed, the nurse'll be along in a minute.
Nurse! He's wandered in from another thread. Can you take him back? Thanks.” If you knew I was talking about AJ, why even say that?

But it's irrelevant as to whether ATS should have gone after him.

No, everything I’ve said is highly relevant as to whether ATS should have “gone after him.”

And in your second post (your ability to read and comprehend my posts being not in evidence) was clearly aimed at me. And it implied that I'm defending Jones and he dowsn't care about me.

Friend, do yourself a favor and brush up on critical reading and analytical skills. My second post was aimed at you because of what you initially aimed at me. I never implied you were defending AJ, as any person with a half-functioning brain can tell you have something against him. Your gripe is not only with AJ but the way ATS handled it--more on that later.

My second reply to you was, “Does Alex Jones know you even exist?”, but in your infinite wisdom you somehow think that statement means you’re defending the guy. So I’d like for you to explain how you’ve arrived at your conclusion. Don’t worry, I’ll laugh at it after I’ve read it twice, not on the first go round, so don’t be afraid.

If I'm defending Jones, I'm doing so incidentally because what happened at ATS was distasteful to me.

You have two issue…no…three actually. Jones, the way ATS handled things, and putting your foot in your mouth when people aren’t talking to you. I have advice on all three, and you seem like a guy who can use advice so I’ll give it to you. Concerning Jones, the man doesn’t know you exist. Don’t waste time on him. Concerning ATS, it is their website, they pay the server fees, you don’t. If they want to waste time and bandwidth by sending mass U2U messages that is up to them. If you don’t like it, find another place to post or contribute financially to the site and maybe you can have a say in the inner workings. Concerning sticking your foot in your mouth, I’ve previously addressed this fiasco. If you do not understand something, ask for clarification. If you are not sure about something, ask for clarification. If you are not sure if someone is speaking to you, or about you, refrain from speaking until you know.

If yoiu actually bothered to read the thread you will see that I already understand this and excoriate these people as idiots.

I’ve read the thread, and did it ever cross your mind that people reading it may actually think you’re the bigger idiot for creating this thread? You need clarification, so to prevent you from thinking I’m calling you an idiot that is not the case. I’m saying people may think you’re an idiot.

You still clearly understand neither my point of view nor the etiquette of a discussion forum. If you throw rambling and off-the-point remarks into the discussion, people will not ask for clarification, they'll assume you're up your own fundament.

No, I clearly understand your premise; you simply spoke before understanding the context of what I was saying. In debate, when people converse, or when people are learning, if they don’t understand something they seek clarification. Again, this is what “normal” people do, but I’m not so sure about what is normal in your neck of the woods so I can’t and won’t comment on it. However, it would be wise to not attempt lectures relating to discussion forum etiquette as you have multiple posts that are back to back, and I believe most reasonable people would have joined multiple posts together. Again, we’re talking about reasonable people here, so I’ll leave it at that.

In closing, ask for clarification when in doubt. This is what students do, this is what you should do, and this is how understanding comes about.

[edit on 14-9-2009 by EMPIRE]

Originally posted by EMPIRE

Originally posted by rich23
This is a discussion board. If you have a point to make, make it clearly.

Friend, I made myself clear as day in my first post. If you were too emotionally attached or blinded by your hatred for AJ, that is not my problem. However, if you throw a rock at a pack of dogs, the one who got hit is usually the one who barks real loud, so to that I say “Deal with it.”

This is you being clear again, is it? I'd ask for clarification but most of what you say is either blindingly obvious or wrong.

Yes, I got that at the time.

No, at that time you didn’t get it. You want to know why you didn’t get it? Because you responded with,” Easy now, back to bed, the nurse'll be along in a minute.
Nurse! He's wandered in from another thread. Can you take him back? Thanks.” If you knew I was talking about AJ, why even say that?

Because all you wanted to do was come into this thread and diss Jones. It's not what the thread's about.

originally posted by rich23But it's irrelevant as to whether ATS should have gone after him.

No, everything I’ve said is highly relevant as to whether ATS should have “gone after him.”

Another example of your fine debating skills. No argument, just flat contradiction.

You have two issue…no…three actually. Jones, the way ATS handled things, and putting your foot in your mouth when people aren’t talking to you. I have advice on all three,

Being as how you still don't quite get what I've been saying, I can;t wait.

Concerning Jones, the man doesn’t know you exist. Don’t waste time on him.

I have already explained that in this instance I'm wasting time on him incidentally to what I see as a distasteful trend on ATS. It's the whole mob mentality thing. But look, if you could read and comprehend the thread, you'd get that.

Concerning ATS, it is their website, they pay the server fees, you don’t. If they want to waste time and bandwidth by sending mass U2U messages that is up to them. If you don’t like it, find another place to post or contribute financially to the site and maybe you can have a say in the inner workings.

Another combination of the blindingly obvious and wrong.

Actually, we all contribute to the site. Without its members, ATS would be nothing. And in the short time I've been here I've already seen a lot of the good people give up and leave. I have every right to express my sentiments about the way ATS is going, and if you don't like it, find another site to post your ramblings on.

I feel unburdened by the need to take advice from you, thanks.

Another newsflash from the dept of the blindingly obvious:

I’ve read the thread, and did it ever cross your mind that people reading it may actually think you’re the bigger idiot for creating this thread? You need clarification, so to prevent you from thinking I’m calling you an idiot that is not the case. I’m saying people may think you’re an idiot.

Thanks for pointing that out, but, you know, reading the thread, I realise some people do indeed think I'm an idiot, and usually the feeling's mutual. Gosh, a moron thinks I'm an idiot. My life is in ruins.

And now the evidence that you haven't read the entire thread at all.

as you have multiple posts that are back to back, and I believe most reasonable people would have joined multiple posts together. Again, we’re talking about reasonable people here, so I’ll leave it at that.

I'm answering individual posts. You want me to joint them all together? Please find a thread on ATS where this is "normal". You're funny, but dull, so I really don't think I'll be taking any more of this troll's bait.


[edit on 15-9-2009 by rich23]

Originally posted by rich23

This is you being clear again, is it? I'd ask for clarification but most of what you say is either blindingly obvious or wrong.

Clearly you could have provided more substance. I am being clear, however, it appears you lack the basic mental faculties required to comprehend what is before you. If what I’m saying is blindingly obvious to you why are we having this discussion?

Because all you wanted to do was come into this thread and diss Jones. It's not what the thread's about.

So now you’re a psychologist familiar with posting behavior and what I wanted to do? I didn’t come in this thread to diss Jones. However, you have constantly admitted your dislike for Jones, and the way ATS handled their website, and how they chose to cover stories of interest. Therefore, it is you who is actually dissing ATS and AJ, and on the other hand wasting time lecturing other members about the posts they make (which involved the truth, not dissing or flaming.)

Another example of your fine debating skills. No argument, just flat contradiction.

If so, I learned from your book that gives great detail about red-herrings and straw man fallacies, not too mention a lengthy chapter about contradictions and hypocrisy entitled, “the pot calling the kettle….”

Being as how you still don't quite get what I've been saying, I can;t wait. I have already explained that in this instance I'm wasting time on him incidentally to what I see as a distasteful trend on ATS. It's the whole mob mentality thing. But look, if you could read and comprehend the thread, you'd get that.

No, I get it, you don’t get it, but you sound like a broken record. I already said your problem was also with the way ATS handled things. Why do you keep focusing on it when I’ve mentioned this several times now? Seriously, it now appears this entire ordeal has you so angry you fail to see the obvious, repeat the same things, and lash out with venom with no regards for anyone else.

Another combination of the blindingly obvious and wrong. Actually, we all contribute to the site. Without its members, ATS would be nothing. And in the short time I've been here I've already seen a lot of the good people give up and leave. I have every right to express my sentiments about the way ATS is going, and if you don't like it, find another site to post your ramblings on.

Another combination of lies, fallacies, delusions of grandeur . misinformation and lunacy.

We all contribute to the site in the form of posting, however, not all make financial contributions. Read my previous post again, F-I-N-A-N-C-I-A-L contributions. Yes, you have every right to express your perverted and warped views of the way ATS is going. However, there is a proper way of doing it, and if you were familiar with the ATS guidelines, and truly wanted to help rectify the situation, you would have taken the correct steps. If you don’t like people pointing out the error of your ways, or want to go John Rambo because ATS sent you a U2U, don’t find another site to post on, log off the net and seek the nearest mental health physician—seek the same nurse you were calling when you said I should be taken away.

Thanks for pointing that out, but, you know, reading the thread, I realise some people do indeed think I'm an idiot, and usually the feeling's mutual. Gosh, a moron thinks I'm an idiot. My life is in ruins. And now the evidence that you haven't read the entire thread at all.

I’ve read it but your whining is too much. You’re a grown man complaining about things that have little to no impact on your daily life, unless posting on message boards is your life. Still, if you are not a financial contributor to the site, you should have gone through the appropriate measures and sent the ATS staff a feedback U2U. They encourage this, and say they read them, so maybe you should have gone that route instead of openly bashing the site, because that is all you’re doing—bashing the site (and AJ.)

And yes, people may think you’re an idiot, but why did you first mention people being idiots? Was this information I needed? Did it somehow increase the legitimacy or potency of your premise?

I'm answering individual posts. You want me to joint them all together? Please find a thread on ATS where this is "normal". You're funny, but dull, so I really don't think I'll be taking any more of this troll's bait.

Do you lack the mental capacity and motor skills necessary for doing such a thing? All it requires is a little cut and pasting and keeping the names intact. I see it all the time on ATS, and other sites, it shouldn’t be too difficult. Better yet, why don't you google the term "multi quote feature" or multi quote reply" and you'll see it is quite normal--multiple replies, one post.

I have five where this is taking place and quite normal. I’ll link you as soon as you tell us how my question pertaining to Alex Jones, and knowledge of your existence implies a defending of Alex Jones. And speaking of trolls, do I have to remind you of your initial post to me?



[edit on 15-9-2009 by EMPIRE]

As I said, this is a troll I no longer feed.

Does there really have to be a second line here?